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Post by faustus5 on Mar 21, 2017 16:58:00 GMT
Okay genius, If the wage gap is real what sane employer would bother hiring men, businesses are in the business of making money so why would any company want to pay someone more for doing the exact same job when you apparently don't have to, what sense does that make, women would make up nearly 100% of jobs if women were really being paid 78c on the Dollar like they claim, thats why its nonsense, it is literal nonsense.
Why can't people get that through their thick heads. Yes, I'm familiar with this brain-dead, ignorant talking point that you pathetic losers like to flaunt. Instead of dealing with the demonstrated reality of the earnings gap, you come up with idiotic arguments like this. If you had any intelligence at all, you'd support your sexism by admitting the fact that it exists and then moving to stage two, where you blame women for it (something I've also seen time and time again). But the gap exists. This is just a fact. What fails to occur to you, since obviously you haven't devoted so much as a single second of thought to the psychological realities in a world where women have only been allowed to vote for a few generations and just 50 years ago female members of Congress weren't allowed in the same government cafe's as men, is that sexism and discrimination happen under the radar and are often subconscious. There are few mustache twirling villains who sit down and calculate that they could hire women and get away with paying them less. That simply isn't how reality works. The reality is that both men and women are hired (though in many professions, men get far more call-ups for their resumes than women, even when the resumes are identical), and women get fewer and smaller raises. Stick to video games. The complex realities of life outside of pixels is way too much for your type to comprehend.
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Post by Tunaman09 on Mar 21, 2017 17:47:40 GMT
Okay genius, If the wage gap is real what sane employer would bother hiring men, businesses are in the business of making money so why would any company want to pay someone more for doing the exact same job when you apparently don't have to, what sense does that make, women would make up nearly 100% of jobs if women were really being paid 78c on the Dollar like they claim, thats why its nonsense, it is literal nonsense.
Why can't people get that through their thick heads. Yes, I'm familiar with this brain-dead, ignorant talking point that you pathetic losers like to flaunt. Instead of dealing with the demonstrated reality of the earnings gap, you come up with idiotic arguments like this. If you had any intelligence at all, you'd support your sexism by admitting the fact that it exists and then moving to stage two, where you blame women for it (something I've also seen time and time again). But the gap exists. This is just a fact. Great job side-stepping the question (like PreachyCaleb) because you know it proves its a myth, as for blaming women, why would I blame women in general? I blame men and women who continue to spout nonsense like the wage gap for putting lies into peoples heads There are very few men and women who are still alive that had any say in matters when women couldn't vote in the US, how would this affect women today, its just a lazy excuse when things don't go peoples way to claim institutionalised sexism/racism, does it happen on occasion, im sure it does, is it as widespread as claimed, not a chance. Of course its always under the radar and subconscious, in other words there is nothing to prove its just there, and they don't do that because they can't do that, but if they could they would And there are professions where women get far more call-ups then men with identical resumes, so that means nothing. As for raises, that has nothing to do with gender and all to do with how much value you bring to the workplace, men who don't push themselves harder get fewer and smaller raises too. Jobs don't do special treatment. You do know you are posting on a video games forum too don't you, the genius strikes again.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 21, 2017 18:04:56 GMT
Side stepping? I provided a link that proves you wrong.
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Post by Tunaman09 on Mar 21, 2017 20:17:01 GMT
Side stepping? I provided a link that proves you wrong. That link proves nothing, It shows the difference in earnings between men and women not pay. The problem is its not job position specific so doesn't take into account the different career paths men and women choose If 100 males janitors make on average $27,500 a year and 100 female teachers make on average $55,000 a year - would that show that women make over $25,000 more then men annually and that there is a wage gap that needs closing, No, it shows Teachers get paid more than Janitors.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 21, 2017 21:59:48 GMT
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Post by Tunaman09 on Mar 21, 2017 23:42:14 GMT
I could but can't seem to access it now but one part that seems interesting, something like "based on a 35 or more hour week" a small detail but one that could skewer the results, which means it doesn't take into account extra hours like - skill differences (even between men and other men), overtime, maternity leave etc. BTW if you want one very simple article to disprove it, here it is, www.dailywire.com/news/13121/audi-parrots-gender-wage-gap-myth-one-tweet-makes-hank-berrien#4 little tweets was all it took to show its a myth.
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Post by Harry Skywalker on Mar 22, 2017 0:05:38 GMT
In normal conditions I'd say this would be no issue.
However, it seems Uncharted 4 producers really had some reunions and good relations with some die hard feminists. That's why Nadine beats the hell of the crap of all men involved, which was absolutely ludicrous.
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Post by faustus5 on Mar 22, 2017 12:05:21 GMT
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 22, 2017 13:22:59 GMT
I could but can't seem to access it now but one part that seems interesting, something like "based on a 35 or more hour week" a small detail but one that could skewer the results, which means it doesn't take into account extra hours like - skill differences (even between men and other men), overtime, maternity leave etc. BTW if you want one very simple article to disprove it, here it is, www.dailywire.com/news/13121/audi-parrots-gender-wage-gap-myth-one-tweet-makes-hank-berrien#4 little tweets was all it took to show its a myth. How does "35 or more" not take extra hours into consideration? Tweets? No. Actual studies supersede tweets. Always. Also, saying it doesn't take into account extra hours or skill differences implies women don't have those skills or don't do extra hours. I'm sorry, but a complex study always beats simple tweets.
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Post by Tunaman09 on Mar 22, 2017 15:30:14 GMT
3 quotes from 1 of the articles you linked and and Are you blind or something, it basically says why in the article you linked, - The babies are born with equal opportunities, and women choose different career paths, they are not forced - Women with qualifications as good as men find they have slower progression then men, hmm I wonder why, lets see - Oh yeah, women have more career breaks (ie a child, something men can't have) and often do not go back to work full time, I doubt women that don't have children and put 100% into career have this problem. As pointed out in the Audi tweet article, these (amongst others) are the 'various factors' they were talking about, nobody pays women less for no reason, that would be stupid.
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Post by Tunaman09 on Mar 22, 2017 16:01:59 GMT
I could but can't seem to access it now but one part that seems interesting, something like "based on a 35 or more hour week" a small detail but one that could skewer the results, which means it doesn't take into account extra hours like - skill differences (even between men and other men), overtime, maternity leave etc. BTW if you want one very simple article to disprove it, here it is, www.dailywire.com/news/13121/audi-parrots-gender-wage-gap-myth-one-tweet-makes-hank-berrien#4 little tweets was all it took to show its a myth. How does "35 or more" not take extra hours into consideration? Tweets? No. Actual studies supersede tweets. Always. Also, saying it doesn't take into account extra hours or skill differences implies women don't have those skills or don't do extra hours. I'm sorry, but a complex study always beats simple tweets. Thats the point, 35 or more, do female teachers 'as a whole' work identical hours to male teachers 'as a whole' probably not and that is what skewers the results I didn't say some women don't have better skills or do extra hours, I said the article you linked didn't take that into account, women that have better skills and work extra hours get better pay than women who don't just like men. As for the tweets, sometimes simple beats complex, and this is one of those times Audi talked about the gender pay gap, someone (a woman I think) said "Do you not pay women the same as men", Audi said "oh yeah, turns out it is equal if you take different things into account"
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 22, 2017 16:14:27 GMT
I'm sorry, but that's baseless speculation. You can't make a claim if you can't back it up. No where in there does it say the men work more than the women. You can't make up things into someone else's research.
Not to mention, you're forgetting one very important factor: teachers are not paid by the hour. So regardless of who works more hours, they should still get the same pay. The article shows they don't.
Except the article is not comparing women to women or men to men. It's men to women. And that in both traditionally men centered jobs and women centered jobs, the men make more.
And again, there is no basis for saying that women didn't have those same skills as the men or didn't put in the same hours as the men.
Only if you ignore countless studies that say that's not true.
No, it doesn't. That's why we go to college and university. To gain more complex knowledge. Complex research and studies always win out. Multi-case study research always beats out a tweet. Always.
P.S. Skews, not skewers.
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Post by faustus5 on Mar 22, 2017 16:54:57 GMT
Are you blind or something, it basically says why in the article you linked, - The babies are born with equal opportunities, and women choose different career paths, they are not forced - Women with qualifications as good as men find they have slower progression then men, hmm I wonder why, lets see - Oh yeah, women have more career breaks (ie a child, something men can't have) and often do not go back to work full time, I doubt women that don't have children and put 100% into career have this problem. As pointed out in the Audi tweet article, these (amongst others) are the 'various factors' they were talking about, nobody pays women less for no reason, that would be stupid. Here we go with predictable stage two, where you blame women and pretend sexism doesn't exist like the ignorant, clueless idiot you are. Women's choices are not made in a vacuum. They exist in a society where many job climates are considered unpleasant and unwelcoming for females. When those responsible for reading over resumes will rate a person more qualified when there is a male name at the top even when the resumes are identical, there is a problem and sexism is the only explanation. You are basically an ostrich with your head stuck in the sand. I also noticed how you conveniently ignored the studies I linked to where women consistently made less even in the same profession with the same educational background, working the same hours. And you ignore the fact that the experts who put together these studies repeatedly state that the data clearly shows that the explanation is sexism and discrimination. They clearly know more than you do. Reality is just not something you're intellectually prepared to deal with, is it? Face it: you are a complete ignoramus in over your head in a subject you are too blind to understand. Stick to video games. Anything involving humans is too complex for dullards like you to understand.
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Post by Tunaman09 on Mar 22, 2017 19:50:09 GMT
Are you blind or something, it basically says why in the article you linked, - The babies are born with equal opportunities, and women choose different career paths, they are not forced - Women with qualifications as good as men find they have slower progression then men, hmm I wonder why, lets see - Oh yeah, women have more career breaks (ie a child, something men can't have) and often do not go back to work full time, I doubt women that don't have children and put 100% into career have this problem. As pointed out in the Audi tweet article, these (amongst others) are the 'various factors' they were talking about, nobody pays women less for no reason, that would be stupid. Here we go with predictable stage two, where you blame women and pretend sexism doesn't exist like the ignorant, clueless idiot you are. Women's choices are not made in a vacuum. They exist in a society where many job climates are considered unpleasant and unwelcoming for females. When those responsible for reading over resumes will rate a person more qualified when there is a male name at the top even when the resumes are identical, there is a problem and sexism is the only explanation. You are basically an ostrich with your head stuck in the sand. I also noticed how you conveniently ignored the studies I linked to where women consistently made less even in the same profession with the same educational background, working the same hours. And you ignore the fact that the experts who put together these studies repeatedly state that the data clearly shows that the explanation is sexism and discrimination. They clearly know more than you do. Reality is just not something you're intellectually prepared to deal with, is it? Face it: you are a complete ignoramus in over your head in a subject you are too blind to understand. Stick to video games. Anything involving humans is too complex for dullards like you to understand. No 2 people have everything so much in common, there are always going to be variances in education, experience, effort, time-worked, motivation, lifestyle choices etc, there will always be something that gives someone an edge I want to ask you a hypothetical question, try to put yourself in the mind of an employer, You have 2 of the same positions open up and you hire a man and a women, they ( just for this fake example question) are about the same age, have the same education, same mentality, same experience, both had good interviews etc. Why would you pay the man more than the woman? If everything is the same then why would you give one more money than the other, what sense would that make? Forget about studies and experiments for a second.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 22, 2017 20:25:45 GMT
A penis, according to many, many studies.
Simple. There's a flawed thinking that a man will do a better job than a woman. It's the same reason there are so many male CEO's who make so much more than their female counterparts, even when they have the exact same age, education, and experience. It's why they get bigger raises.
Why? Why ignore evidence? That's doesn't make sense. That's like asking, "The world doesn't feel round, right? It feels flat. Ignore the evidence for a second and think about that."
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Post by MooseNugget on Mar 23, 2017 4:26:56 GMT
Help! Liberal idiots have invaded my thread! The conservatives on this forum need to stop crying about liberals in every board.
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Post by Tunaman09 on Mar 23, 2017 16:23:38 GMT
A penis, according to many, many studies. Simple. There's a flawed thinking that a man will do a better job than a woman. It's the same reason there are so many male CEO's who make so much more than their female counterparts, even when they have the exact same age, education, and experience. It's why they get bigger raises. Why? Why ignore evidence? That's doesn't make sense. That's like asking, "The world doesn't feel round, right? It feels flat. Ignore the evidence for a second and think about that." Unless the boss has a penis fetish I doubt that will give anyone any advantage.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 23, 2017 16:25:28 GMT
Yep. Unfortunately, many do not understand that. Hence why men get more promotions and earn more money than women.
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Post by Tunaman09 on Mar 23, 2017 18:33:42 GMT
Yep. Unfortunately, many do not understand that. Hence why men get more promotions and earn more money than women. Does that mean Transgenders get instant pay-cuts or pay-rises when they have their gender reassignment surgery?
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 23, 2017 18:48:37 GMT
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