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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 22:54:58 GMT
There seems to be huge differences between the two despite being from the same God.
The Old Testament: - God seems like a vindictive, vengeful prick who commands obedience above all else. The first three commandments are a prime example. - Has lots of rules, some of which may have had some relavence (like no pork because of food poisoning), but most seem silly. - Hated gays, but didn't mind slavery. He had nothing to say about bigotry. - If His chosen people were in power and did some things to the Gentiles that might be considered war crimes today, that would be ok; If it were the Gentiles committing the crimes, not OK. - Satan seemed more of an adversary than a villian.
The New Testament: - More emphasis on treating others nicely, even your enemy. - Not as many silly little rules. - Still liked slavey, never mentions gays. Vaguely addresses bigotry. - Satan now a villian. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 11, 2018 22:57:38 GMT
Different writers, different interpretation of God. It's the same reason Batman used to have a gun and kill people in the earlier comics:
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 12, 2018 0:39:51 GMT
There seems to be huge differences between the two despite being from the same God.
The Old Testament: - God seems like a vindictive, vengeful prick who commands obedience above all else. The first three commandments are a prime example. - Has lots of rules, some of which may have had some relavence (like no pork because of food poisoning), but most seem silly. - Hated gays, but didn't mind slavery. He had nothing to say about bigotry. - If His chosen people were in power and did some things to the Gentiles that might be considered war crimes today, that would be ok; If it were the Gentiles committing the crimes, not OK. - Satan seemed more of an adversary than a villian.
The New Testament: - More emphasis on treating others nicely, even your enemy. - Not as many silly little rules. - Still liked slavey, never mentions gays. Vaguely addresses bigotry. - Satan now a villian. This list is the same one that everyone who has never read the OT or the NT make. |
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Post by Vegas on Jul 12, 2018 0:52:39 GMT
OMG!! America was totally killing Germans during World War 1 & 2.. Now they totally don't do that anymore... What gives?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 22:29:43 GMT
There seems to be huge differences between the two despite being from the same God.
The Old Testament: - God seems like a vindictive, vengeful prick who commands obedience above all else. The first three commandments are a prime example. - Has lots of rules, some of which may have had some relavence (like no pork because of food poisoning), but most seem silly. - Hated gays, but didn't mind slavery. He had nothing to say about bigotry. - If His chosen people were in power and did some things to the Gentiles that might be considered war crimes today, that would be ok; If it were the Gentiles committing the crimes, not OK. - Satan seemed more of an adversary than a villian.
The New Testament: - More emphasis on treating others nicely, even your enemy. - Not as many silly little rules. - Still liked slavey, never mentions gays. Vaguely addresses bigotry. - Satan now a villian. This list is the same one that everyone who has never read the OT or the NT make. So what gives. I ave read the entire Bible. I'm a fallen Catholic who had a Catholic education. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 22:30:29 GMT
OMG!! America was totally killing Germans during World War 1 & 2.. Now they totally don't do that anymore... What gives? They've gone back to killing non-Aryans again. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 13, 2018 22:33:09 GMT
This list is the same one that everyone who has never read the OT or the NT make. So what gives. I ave read the entire Bible. I'm a fallen Catholic who had a Catholic education. If you've read the entire Bible, you have forgotten a lot and that is not my problem. Come back to me with some specific stuff rather than this tired retread of a million other discussions easily handled and you may have a true debate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 22:41:55 GMT
So what gives. I ave read the entire Bible. I'm a fallen Catholic who had a Catholic education. If you've read the entire Bible, you have forgotten a lot and that is not my problem. Come back to me with some specific stuff rather than this tired retread of a million other discussions easily handled and you may have a true debate. I would rather not debate an opinionated individual such as you. You always have to be right - everyone else is stupid or wrong. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 13, 2018 23:08:22 GMT
If you've read the entire Bible, you have forgotten a lot and that is not my problem. Come back to me with some specific stuff rather than this tired retread of a million other discussions easily handled and you may have a true debate. I would rather not debate an opinionated individual such as you. You always have to be right - everyone else is stupid or wrong. This can change from an opinionated discussion pretty quick if you would just back up your original statement in a way that doesn;t indicate you copied it from a million atheist blogs &/or Reddit. That said, it's entirely your right to duck out of your own discussion. |
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 16, 2018 0:54:33 GMT
There seems to be huge differences between the two despite being from the same God.
The Old Testament: - God seems like a vindictive, vengeful prick who commands obedience above all else. The first three commandments are a prime example. - Has lots of rules, some of which may have had some relavence (like no pork because of food poisoning), but most seem silly. - Hated gays, but didn't mind slavery. He had nothing to say about bigotry. - If His chosen people were in power and did some things to the Gentiles that might be considered war crimes today, that would be ok; If it were the Gentiles committing the crimes, not OK. - Satan seemed more of an adversary than a villian.
The New Testament: - More emphasis on treating others nicely, even your enemy. - Not as many silly little rules. - Still liked slavey, never mentions gays. Vaguely addresses bigotry. - Satan now a villian. This list is the same one that everyone who has never read the OT or the NT make. Be that as it may, the point is still valid. And this is coming from someone who’s read both! |
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 16, 2018 0:55:42 GMT
If you've read the entire Bible, you have forgotten a lot and that is not my problem. Come back to me with some specific stuff rather than this tired retread of a million other discussions easily handled and you may have a true debate. I would rather not debate an opinionated individual such as you. You always have to be right - everyone else is stupid or wrong. Which is quite ironic considering just how dumb that motherfucker is! |
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Post by maya55555 on Jul 16, 2018 2:01:57 GMT
Father Nelson
Took that routine from Lewis Black.
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Post by goz on Jul 16, 2018 5:56:50 GMT
This list is the same one that everyone who has never read the OT or the NT make. Be that as it may, the point is still valid. And this is coming from someone who’s read both! Surely, the fact that there is some consensus on the point made in the OP about inconsistencies in the OT and New, adds to the credibility of the points being made and NOT the reverse? 'The 'oh people always say that' might well be a result of obvious and logical truths point out on a consistent basis rather repetition of accepted memes. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 16, 2018 11:19:22 GMT
This list is the same one that everyone who has never read the OT or the NT make. Be that as it may, the point is still valid. And this is coming from someone who’s read both! Every point on the list is incorrect so not sure how it's valid except as validation that the Bible hasn't been read in entirety. To make the list correct and valid would require vast omissions of entire books, laws, & principles which is something someone would know if they read the thing. |
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Post by general313 on Jul 16, 2018 13:49:37 GMT
OMG!! America was totally killing Germans during World War 1 & 2.. Now they totally don't do that anymore... What gives? God is as fickle as the U.S.? |
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 16, 2018 17:07:29 GMT
Be that as it may, the point is still valid. And this is coming from someone who’s read both! Surely, the fact that there is some consensus on the point made in the OP about inconsistencies in the OT and New, adds to the credibility of the points being made and NOT the reverse? Not “surely” because that’s something of a false dichotomy. It merely adds to the credibility of the point that there are numerous, unresolved contradictions between the OT and NT that invite skepticism. Not that the specific points brought up the OP are valid. Most of them are just opinions anyway. 'The 'oh people always say that' might well be a result of obvious and logical truths point out on a consistent basis rather repetition of accepted memes. The consensus is that the bible is a contradictory, hot mess to any objective reader. It is not a consensus that these talking points work, or haven’t been refuted logically (because even I, a simple atheist can refute most of them). |
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Post by goz on Jul 16, 2018 21:23:44 GMT
Be that as it may, the point is still valid. And this is coming from someone who’s read both! Every point on the list is incorrect so not sure how it's valid except as validation that the Bible hasn't been read in entirety. To make the list correct and valid would require vast omissions of entire books, laws, & principles which is something someone would know if they read the thing. Why are you conflating the facts that because people have differing opinions that they can't have read the Bible 'correctly' or omit things? This is the whole point of this thread. The OP is pointing out contradictions and you are saying there are no contradictions if you read it 'properly' ( or like you do ) This is nonsense. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 16, 2018 21:29:27 GMT
Every point on the list is incorrect so not sure how it's valid except as validation that the Bible hasn't been read in entirety. To make the list correct and valid would require vast omissions of entire books, laws, & principles which is something someone would know if they read the thing. Why are you conflating the facts that because people have differing opinions that they can't have read the Bible 'correctly' or omit things? This is the whole point of this thread. The OP is pointing out contradictions and you are saying there are no contradictions if you read it 'properly' ( or like you do ) This is nonsense. Has nothing to do with opinions. The OP hasn't pointed out a contradiction. He's invented them. There's a difference which is MY point. EDIT: Now if the OP doesn't want to defend his "opinions", the why are you bothering? |
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Post by goz on Jul 16, 2018 21:47:08 GMT
Why are you conflating the facts that because people have differing opinions that they can't have read the Bible 'correctly' or omit things? This is the whole point of this thread. The OP is pointing out contradictions and you are saying there are no contradictions if you read it 'properly' ( or like you do ) This is nonsense. Has nothing to do with opinions. The OP hasn't pointed out a contradiction. He's invented them. There's a difference which is MY point. EDIT: Now if the OP doesn't want to defend his "opinions", the why are you bothering? Of course it is an opinion that there are contradictions in the Bible. You think there aren't ( if ONLY you read it properly like you think you do) and he thinks that there are, even if you read it all...as you say. Why am I replying on this message board about Biblical contradictions? Because it is my opinion that there are lots and so I am agreeing with the OP. The OP can do whatever he likes. |
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Post by amyghost on Jul 16, 2018 21:51:12 GMT
The OT god had reached a point of needing better PR, hence Jesus. As is the job of any good PR rep, the first thing on the agenda is to backpedal the messy and potentially embarrassing prior history of the subject. The Hebrew god went from being the violent tribal deity of a particular Bronze Age nomadic group to being the feel-good sunshine deity of all mankind. The fact that nothing about him really changed substantially is the part that's pushed into the background by Christians, both Catholic and Protestant. Jesus did his required job of re-branding Jehovah, and that's the only part that really matters as far as the Christian religion, NT division, is concerned.
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