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Post by Aj_June on Jul 12, 2018 17:38:13 GMT
CoolJGS☺ made a good point in another thread by hinting that poorer countries from Asia and Africa draw greater attention about bad things as compared to relatively more prosperous Japan and China. There definitely is prevalence of homophobia in China (I have not done a research on Japan so can't say about them). China has the world's greatest number of irreligious population. So what drives homophobia and discriminations against homosexuals in China? Smith believes that religion may not be responsible for anti-homosexual stance in most parts of world. I differ with Smith. Religion definitely has played a key role in promoting anti-homosexual behaviour in most parts of world. It is not very hard to prove that. Just do a study of beliefs from various religious organisations or see the prevalence of harsh laws related to homosexuality in extremist religious countries and you would easily get the correlation between homophobia and religion.
So now the main question is that are there other major forces apart from religion which promote homophobia? Kerala province of India is a den of communists and homophobia runs deep even in the most hardcore anti-theist communists of Kerala. Similarly, the most homophobic relative that I have is a hardcore atheist. He is my cousin but hideously homophobic. So what drives homophobia in these people? It will be interesting if members of our board propose explanations for the question presented.
I believe that even for some of those people who have given up religion, the religious morality might not have left them. Also, we do not live in a closed society any more. This is not 11th century. People derive inspirations from other societies and do not want to be perceived as indulging in things which are not considered moral by the majority of world. That said, I personally do not dismiss non-religious reasons for homophobia. A feeling that a man should have physical relations with a woman only may be prevalent in certain people just because they believe it is abnormal or against nature to have sex with people of same sex. Of course, they are wrong in believing so but nonetheless they may believe that way. So to some extent homophobia can be explained as emerging from non-religious reasons. But religion has been the primary reason for discrimination against homosexuals in most parts of world.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 12, 2018 17:58:26 GMT
I suppose a societal emphasis on so called "machismo" and maliness can cause homophobia in fairly secular/non religious societies. Though the key difference is there's typically no "dogma" in irreligious societies to try to justify bigotry towards gays, whereas the Bible/Torah/Kora/etc has several verses that can be used for just that.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 12, 2018 18:09:30 GMT
I think it’s ridiculous to reduce anything to one factor.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 12, 2018 18:11:54 GMT
I suppose a societal emphasis on so called "machismo" and maliness can cause homophobia in fairly secular/non religious societies. Though the key difference is there's typically no "dogma" in irreligious societies to try to justify bigotry towards gays, whereas the Bible/Torah/Kora/etc has several verses that can be used for just that. Yeah, I think my cousin has this "manliness" problem. he often demeans even men who he perceives are not manly enough. |
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 12, 2018 18:12:32 GMT
I think it’s ridiculous to reduce anything to one factor. I agree with your post. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 12, 2018 18:23:21 GMT
Well now, this thread should be good for a lot of distraction and division, as the world goes to hell in a bucket. Isn't that nice?  BTW, does Monicah know you're back yet? She should be overjoyed at your return, I would think. |
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 12, 2018 18:45:45 GMT
Well now, this thread should be good for a lot of distraction and division, as the world goes to hell in a bucket. Isn't that nice? World has always been going in cycles of conflicts and reconciliation. I am not one of those who believe in or even hope for a world where all issues are sorted out. |
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Post by phludowin on Jul 12, 2018 21:41:12 GMT
My two cents: While religion and machism may play a big role in homophobia and sexism, I believe that discrimination is mostly prevalent in societies and groups that have a strong desire to separate from other groups; or in other words, a strong "us vs. them" mentality.
These groups tend to not accept the unknown, or differences. They also might consider strength and combativity as virtues, which brings us to machismo.
Whether the rallying point is a religion, or nationalism, or class combat, is not really important. But I believe it's not a coincidence that the more inclusive and less against other religions a faith or religion is, the more likely it is to not be homophobic.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 13, 2018 17:01:53 GMT
My two cents: While religion and machism may play a big role in homophobia and sexism, I believe that discrimination is mostly prevalent in societies and groups that have a strong desire to separate from other groups; or in other words, a strong "us vs. them" mentality. These groups tend to not accept the unknown, or differences. They also might consider strength and combativity as virtues, which brings us to machismo. Whether the rallying point is a religion, or nationalism, or class combat, is not really important. But I believe it's not a coincidence that the more inclusive and less against other religions a faith or religion is, the more likely it is to not be homophobic. You're not wrong. |
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 13, 2018 22:05:12 GMT
My two cents: While religion and machism may play a big role in homophobia and sexism, I believe that discrimination is mostly prevalent in societies and groups that have a strong desire to separate from other groups; or in other words, a strong "us vs. them" mentality. These groups tend to not accept the unknown, or differences. They also might consider strength and combativity as virtues, which brings us to machismo. Whether the rallying point is a religion, or nationalism, or class combat, is not really important. But I believe it's not a coincidence that the more inclusive and less against other religions a faith or religion is, the more likely it is to not be homophobic. You make a good point, PHE_de. A very stringent belief system does increase the severity of homophobia and decreases the chance of ever giving up aversion to homosexuals. Westboro Baptists come to mind. They were like rabid dogs. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 13, 2018 22:31:31 GMT
My two cents: While religion and machism may play a big role in homophobia and sexism, I believe that discrimination is mostly prevalent in societies and groups that have a strong desire to separate from other groups; or in other words, a strong "us vs. them" mentality. These groups tend to not accept the unknown, or differences. They also might consider strength and combativity as virtues, which brings us to machismo. Whether the rallying point is a religion, or nationalism, or class combat, is not really important. But I believe it's not a coincidence that the more inclusive and less against other religions a faith or religion is, the more likely it is to not be homophobic. You make a good point, PHE_de. A very stringent belief system does increase the severity of homophobia and decreases the chance of ever giving up aversion to homosexuals. Westboro Baptists come to mind. They were like rabid dogs. Well, they don't really affect anything either. All they've got is speech and the influence of the people in their group which has never been a lot. Technically, it's promotion, but in practice, it's a nothing burger beyond hurt feelings. Nationalism and patriotism are far more dangerous in relation to rights. Acceptance in non-sucky countries is tied entirely to legality which is a secular pillar. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 16, 2018 11:12:27 GMT
I suppose a societal emphasis on so called "machismo" and maliness can cause homophobia in fairly secular/non religious societies. Though the key difference is there's typically no "dogma" in irreligious societies to try to justify bigotry towards gays, whereas the Bible/Torah/Kora/etc has several verses that can be used for just that. Yeah, I think my cousin has this "manliness" problem. he often demeans even men who he perceives are not manly enough. This is like Toasted Cheese lately claiming those who support feminism, or its ideals, being "a disgrace to their sex" as if manliness excludes empathy and a sense of social justice. |
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 16, 2018 20:58:40 GMT
Yeah, I think my cousin has this "manliness" problem. he often demeans even men who he perceives are not manly enough. This is like Toasted Cheese lately claiming those who support feminism, or its ideals, being "a disgrace to their sex" as if manliness excludes empathy and a sense of social justice. Yes, his views are very similar to him. |
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Post by goz on Jul 17, 2018 2:17:26 GMT
This is like Toasted Cheese lately claiming those who support feminism, or its ideals, being "a disgrace to their sex" as if manliness excludes empathy and a sense of social justice. Yes, his views are very similar to him. ...although interestingly, toasted cheese is a male homosexual. |
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