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Post by drystyx on Mar 20, 2017 5:17:41 GMT
I remember the days of paper bags, and how we hated them, always getting wet, attracting roaches, just pains compared to plastic.
But the days of plastic have to end. The ocean is being filled with plastic, and there's even a "garbage island" of trash, mostly plastic. The plastic bags degenerate into bits of horrible plastic bits that will be there for ages.
Not only do we have to stop the plastic, but we have to clean up at least some of what's out there.
Capitalism and the Western culture thought make this almost impossible. Even some of the "nice people" will say "a little plastic won't hurt", and try to make excuses for using plastic if it's ever outlawed. There'll be concessions and allowances for some to continue, and few will be willing to be among the few who sacrifice.
The greatest generation is gone for sure.
The selfishness will claim your great grandchildren.
How can it be accomplished, what needs to be accomplished?
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Post by OldSamVimes on Mar 20, 2017 6:09:20 GMT
Materialism and consumerism is more important than the planet.
Once we kill ourselves off the planet will be able to heal.
If the Earth could be seen as a body, I often think of the human race as cancer cells.
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Post by awhina on Mar 20, 2017 7:01:14 GMT
I remember the days of paper bags, and how we hated them, always getting wet, attracting roaches, just pains compared to plastic.
But the days of plastic have to end. The ocean is being filled with plastic, and there's even a "garbage island" of trash, mostly plastic. The plastic bags degenerate into bits of horrible plastic bits that will be there for ages.
Not only do we have to stop the plastic, but we have to clean up at least some of what's out there.
Capitalism and the Western culture thought make this almost impossible. Even some of the "nice people" will say "a little plastic won't hurt", and try to make excuses for using plastic if it's ever outlawed. There'll be concessions and allowances for some to continue, and few will be willing to be among the few who sacrifice.
The greatest generation is gone for sure.
The selfishness will claim your great grandchildren.
How can it be accomplished, what needs to be accomplished?
Many grocery chains here charge for plastic bags at the checkout and so discourage their use. |
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Post by Jonesy1 on Mar 20, 2017 7:10:17 GMT
Here in Britain shops have to charge for bags by law.
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Post by progressiveelement on Mar 20, 2017 9:03:05 GMT
I remember the days of paper bags, and how we hated them, always getting wet, attracting roaches, just pains compared to plastic.
But the days of plastic have to end. The ocean is being filled with plastic, and there's even a "garbage island" of trash, mostly plastic. The plastic bags degenerate into bits of horrible plastic bits that will be there for ages.
Not only do we have to stop the plastic, but we have to clean up at least some of what's out there.
Capitalism and the Western culture thought make this almost impossible. Even some of the "nice people" will say "a little plastic won't hurt", and try to make excuses for using plastic if it's ever outlawed. There'll be concessions and allowances for some to continue, and few will be willing to be among the few who sacrifice.
The greatest generation is gone for sure.
The selfishness will claim your great grandchildren.
How can it be accomplished, what needs to be accomplished?
They're good for suffocating people. |
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 20, 2017 9:17:46 GMT
Here in Britain shops have to charge for bags by law. Do they follow? Last time I was in UK in 2014, Tesco, Iceland and Morrisons didn't charge me for the bags. |
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Post by CoyoteGraves on Mar 20, 2017 9:24:10 GMT
I remember the days of paper bags, and how we hated them, always getting wet, attracting roaches, just pains compared to plastic.
But the days of plastic have to end. The ocean is being filled with plastic, and there's even a "garbage island" of trash, mostly plastic. The plastic bags degenerate into bits of horrible plastic bits that will be there for ages.
Not only do we have to stop the plastic, but we have to clean up at least some of what's out there.
Capitalism and the Western culture thought make this almost impossible. Even some of the "nice people" will say "a little plastic won't hurt", and try to make excuses for using plastic if it's ever outlawed. There'll be concessions and allowances for some to continue, and few will be willing to be among the few who sacrifice.
The greatest generation is gone for sure.
The selfishness will claim your great grandchildren.
How can it be accomplished, what needs to be accomplished?
Many grocery chains here charge for plastic bags at the checkout and so discourage their use. That's weird. None of the grocery chains here charge for bags. |
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Post by awhina on Mar 20, 2017 9:32:04 GMT
Many grocery chains here charge for plastic bags at the checkout and so discourage their use. That's weird. None of the grocery chains here charge for bags. Where are you? Only two chains here do. The others keep talking about it but don't do it. |
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Post by Jonesy1 on Mar 20, 2017 9:32:07 GMT
Here in Britain shops have to charge for bags by law. Do they follow? Last time I was in UK in 2014, Tesco, Iceland and Morrisons didn't charge me for the bags. They made it law in October 2015. They have to charge 5p per bag and the money must go to charity. |
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Post by tickingmask on Mar 20, 2017 9:32:14 GMT
Do they follow? Last time I was in UK in 2014, Tesco, Iceland and Morrisons didn't charge me for the bags. They will do now. Compulsory charging started in 2015 and, by all accounts, have resulted in a huge reduction in plastic bags being used.
(Edit) I see Jonesy got in there just before me! |
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Post by yezziqa on Mar 20, 2017 9:33:28 GMT
I'm on a "plastic diet" (directly translated), which mean that I dont buy anything plastic if there is an option and remove plastic things when I can. The plastic I leave to the recycling. When I shop, I bring my own bags. And I don't wear plastic clothes either. Keep in mind that many of those "animal friendly" vegan clothes are made from plastic materials.
This is a very powerful video, that shows what the plastic is doing to the enviroment.
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Post by Jonesy1 on Mar 20, 2017 9:34:58 GMT
Do they follow? Last time I was in UK in 2014, Tesco, Iceland and Morrisons didn't charge me for the bags. They will do now. Compulsory charging started in 2015 and, by all accounts, have resulted in a huge reduction in plastic bags being used. Some of the stores where I live don't even put bags on the self service anymore. |
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 20, 2017 9:41:02 GMT
Do they follow? Last time I was in UK in 2014, Tesco, Iceland and Morrisons didn't charge me for the bags. They will do now. Compulsory charging started in 2015 and, by all accounts, have resulted in a huge reduction in plastic bags being used.
(Edit) I see Jonesy got in there just before me! Thanks to both of you. Very nice to know. Way back in 2009 when I lived in Delhi, Delhi government banned plastic bags, but end result was not so good. The shopkeepers did comply with the new laws but customers hated the decision and finally government had to withdraw the law. Here in Australia there is no charge for bags in most supermarkets. Probably other countries should follow UK model of charging low price for bags and passing on the revenues to charities. |
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Post by nausea on Mar 20, 2017 9:51:59 GMT
I am an idiot and don't know what watermelon is!
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Post by tickingmask on Mar 20, 2017 9:57:11 GMT
Some of the stores where I live don't even put bags on the self service anymore. Given that this is an indication how people tend to waste resources that they get for free, it does make me wonder whether compulsory charges for the use of precious NHS resources would reduce the huge strain on these, and by how much!
Not that anybody would dare to suggest that, of course. 
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Post by chasallnut on Mar 20, 2017 9:57:25 GMT
Here in Britain shops have to charge for bags by law. And it seems to be working as thee number of bags has dropped significantly. Constantly have a number of bags in the car readily available for shopping. |
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Post by chasallnut on Mar 20, 2017 9:58:48 GMT
Here in Britain shops have to charge for bags by law. Do they follow? Last time I was in UK in 2014, Tesco, Iceland and Morrisons didn't charge me for the bags. It has only recently come into effect in England. In Wales it has been in force for a number of years. |
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 20, 2017 10:02:01 GMT
Here in Britain shops have to charge for bags by law. And it seems to be working as thee number of bags has dropped significantly. Constantly have a number of bags in the car readily available for shopping. Yep.....With time people will just adapt to carry their own bags. It's a simple thing that the countries need to understand. |
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Post by Jonesy1 on Mar 20, 2017 10:02:41 GMT
Do they follow? Last time I was in UK in 2014, Tesco, Iceland and Morrisons didn't charge me for the bags. It has only recently come into effect in England. In Wales it has been in force for a number of years. Since 2011 in Wales, 2013 in Scotland and 2014 in Northern Ireland. |
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Post by chasallnut on Mar 20, 2017 10:02:49 GMT
They will do now. Compulsory charging started in 2015 and, by all accounts, have resulted in a huge reduction in plastic bags being used.
(Edit) I see Jonesy got in there just before me! Thanks to both of you. Very nice to know. Way back in 2009 when I lived in Delhi, Delhi government banned plastic bags, but end result was not so good. The shopkeepers did comply with the new laws but customers hated the decision and finally government had to withdraw the law. Here in Australia there is no charge for bags in most supermarkets. Probably other countries should follow UK model of charging low price for bags and passing on the revenues to charities. It's crazy in Australia. You go into Woolworths and they put a couple of items in the grey plastic bag and then start another one. You end up with a dozen bags when it could have all been packed in three. |
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