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Post by PanLeo on Mar 20, 2017 17:07:28 GMT
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Post by rizdek on Mar 20, 2017 18:39:09 GMT
The problem with his reasoning is that the very thing that argues against asserting a background existence that can generate universes that eventually might result in one like ours argues against a God.
Why is there a multiple universe that is fine tuned? He presumable expects someone should be able to answer that. But the same question could be asked...Why is there a God who just happens to have the properties/capabilities/characteristics which allow him to generate (a) universe(s) non-randomly. If I would be expected to be able answer his question, he should be able to answer my question. Why is there a God? Why does he have these very selective properties.
His inability to answer the question doesn't mean there can't be a God. So neither does my inability to answer why there might be a background existence that can somehow generate universes...either randomly or with some sort of evolutionary/selective process that may or even always generates a universe that could produce massive bodies and life.
It just depends on where you want to end your assertions. You can multiply the conundrum exponentially and conjecture there is a God who no one can really know anything about or why such a God exists and does what it does, or one can simply assume at some level natural existence is eternal and under the right conditions, generates expanding patterns of matter/energy and space/time like the one we see around us now.
IOW, true, the multiverse doesn't really solve anything, but there really isn't anything to be solved IF positing a God can solve it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 19:55:05 GMT
Guessing it's just going to be a "but where did the multiverse come from" argument?
It's dumb. No matter what you postulate you get "but where did that come from?" in response. But as soon as you say "You have the same problem postulating god as a cause - where did god come from?" Then it's "Oh no, you can't ask that, god doesn't need an explanation!"
Why doesn't god need an explanation? Because they choose to define him so. Which is like saying I choose to define a car as a thing that runs without fuel, and now I expect that it will be so.
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