Ok, so what's so offensive about effeminate gays?

Well, are you willing to entertain any feminist theories as to why that is? Or would you say it's a hard wired thing.

Ick.
So, you're not here to make friends, after all.  Good job.

Just no! Female to male transgender is a very tiny minority compared to the amount of real butch lesbians. They just look mannish and don't  do much to make themselves look more appealing. They just want to be like men.

I agree about how the general public view butch lesbians with less disdain over effeminate gay men, or just openly gay guys in general. While there is still prejudice, lezzies are just generally accepted as being of the female persuasion and society makes special compensations for them, not being expected to live up to the same social constructs that is pressured onto males and this includes expectations from females as well, as what they want their men to be like. 

Genuine homosexuality, is just plain same sexual attraction for a body that is familiar with their own. Yes, some homosexual males can be more effeminate than others and may be more flamboyant and have more in common with a females traits, but that doesn't mean that they don't enjoy living inside a males body and embrace their own sex. They don't care to become "mutilated" women.

Having same sex attraction is not a "mental illness" and was removed from the DSM. Transgender is body dysphoria, and while the DSM doesn't perceive it as a mental disorder, it is borderline, and they are just being pc in fear of being seen as prejudiced. As a gay male, I can't speak for butch lesbians and if they are revulsed by their own femaleness. There would also be many genuine lesbians that aren't butch and do revel sexually in the female appearance.

Sexuality has a capricious nature and there are also alpha looking males that would engage in homosexual activity. Visit any gay porn website and tell me if you think some of these guys would be into same sex activity if you saw them walking down the street. They f<>k females, but homosexuality does not repulse them and was always an innate part of themselves to begin with.

I believe this discrimination occurs because sexism is structural, and homophobia, structural itself, is in good part a byproduct of sexism, in great part a byproduct of other structural types of discrimination. Therefore, even though they are discriminated against, gay people are not exempt from displaying sexist attitudes as well. Also, there are “effeminate” or “feminine” men and “masculine” women who are not homosexual, which means there is no fundamental overlap between homosexuality and the transgender spectrum of identity. Even people who are traditionally held to behave like the opposed sex, however, are not necessarily transgender either, since their perception of what counts as being a man or woman is not necessarily on par with the traditional values of their culture. I am myself a male which identifies more strongly with behaviors generally thought to be feminine. I’m an asexual or at the very least demisexual heteroromantic, which means, among other things, that I’m definitely not homosexual. Whether I would identify as transgender if I thought I was able to successfully transition and be satisfied with my self-image is more arguable; I would probably rather have been born as a woman, despite their lack of privilege, but, at the moment, I do not identify as one and, therefore, at least for the moment, I’m not transgender, even though I share some of their feelings, and I certainly do not suffer for the moment the same degree of discrimination that TG people do, nor even something close to it. Either way, although all of this is true, “traditional” society does not care about the specificities. Throughout all my life, from public to military school, I was always called a faggot, and I was beaten and abused and raped and ostracized. Either way, despite what traditional society thinks, all of these people, just as everyone else here, deserve the same amount of respect and freedom that everyone does, and I’m very vocal about the need to fight all discrimination regarding sex, gender identity, gender roles and sexual orientation.

Please leave our board immediately, breeder.

Danny Huston looks like a butch lesbian.