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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 22, 2018 9:18:13 GMT
Simply going by the definition of "atheism" it isn't something to join. At least not immediately, it isn't. Rather it is a rejection of the direction taken by one or more other groups. There is no direction toward anything yet. It is not well definied that way. It is a direction away from something else. Its "definition" depends heavily on that something else.
For whatever reasons, human nature perhaps, atheists do however find strength in numbers, get atheist friends, join atheist groups of more or less coherence, and disport on philosophical issues like they matter much like the people who do join other groups.
It can happen to atheists much like it happens to some other people that membership in the group becomes more important than the goal the group was organized to achieve.
For example some "Christian" groups can appear without any other apparent direction than membership. Such "religious" groups are sometimes the reason people become atheists. They want more order in their lives than those Christians have. They think that simply rejecting the errant Christians will somehow lead to a more orderly world without further ado.
Remember the original definition of atheism though. It has no direction itself. It has no ideas on what constitutes order.
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Post by progressiveelement on Jul 22, 2018 11:27:15 GMT
I'm not a "group" person, I'm quite particular about being myself. I like to stand out as an individual. 😎
Any collectives are mere convenience - drinking buddies, workmates, fellow film fans.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 22, 2018 11:46:38 GMT
God has His own roll call, the Book of Life. I fear that many Christians who assume their name is indelibly written there will find out to their horror that it is not.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 22, 2018 13:04:19 GMT
I'm not a "group" person, I'm quite particular about being myself. I like to stand out as an individual. 😎 Any collectives are mere convenience - drinking buddies, workmates, fellow film fans. I consider independence a quality that I wish more people these days had. Maybe I should call it "self reliance" though, since "independence" can go terribly astray.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 20:09:57 GMT
Simply going by the definition of "atheism" it isn't something to join. At least not immediately, it isn't. Rather it is a rejection of the direction taken by one or more other groups. There is no direction toward anything yet. It is not well definied that way. It is a direction away from something else. Its "definition" depends heavily on that something else. For whatever reasons, human nature perhaps, atheists do however find strength in numbers, get atheist friends, join atheist groups of more or less coherence, and disport on philosophical issues like they matter much like the people who do join other groups. It can happen to atheists much like it happens to some other people that membership in the group becomes more important than the goal the group was organized to achieve. For example some "Christian" groups can appear without any other apparent direction than membership. Such "religious" groups are sometimes the reason people become atheists. They want more order in their lives than those Christians have. They think that simply rejecting the errant Christians will somehow lead to a more orderly world without further ado. Remember the original definition of atheism though. It has no direction itself. It has no ideas on what constitutes order. You've discovered that atheists can join groups? Well, congratulations I guess. They can own pets too, you know.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 22, 2018 20:22:31 GMT
Simply going by the definition of "atheism" it isn't something to join. At least not immediately, it isn't. Rather it is a rejection of the direction taken by one or more other groups. There is no direction toward anything yet. It is not well definied that way. It is a direction away from something else. Its "definition" depends heavily on that something else. For whatever reasons, human nature perhaps, atheists do however find strength in numbers, get atheist friends, join atheist groups of more or less coherence, and disport on philosophical issues like they matter much like the people who do join other groups. It can happen to atheists much like it happens to some other people that membership in the group becomes more important than the goal the group was organized to achieve. For example some "Christian" groups can appear without any other apparent direction than membership. Such "religious" groups are sometimes the reason people become atheists. They want more order in their lives than those Christians have. They think that simply rejecting the errant Christians will somehow lead to a more orderly world without further ado. Remember the original definition of atheism though. It has no direction itself. It has no ideas on what constitutes order. You've discovered that atheists can join groups? Well, congratulations I guess. They can own pets too, you know. I think he's trying to argue (rather poorly) atheism is a religion/dogma
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 22, 2018 20:24:22 GMT
Simply going by the definition of "atheism" it isn't something to join. At least not immediately, it isn't. Rather it is a rejection of the direction taken by one or more other groups. There is no direction toward anything yet. It is not well definied that way. It is a direction away from something else. Its "definition" depends heavily on that something else. For whatever reasons, human nature perhaps, atheists do however find strength in numbers, get atheist friends, join atheist groups of more or less coherence, and disport on philosophical issues like they matter much like the people who do join other groups. It can happen to atheists much like it happens to some other people that membership in the group becomes more important than the goal the group was organized to achieve. For example some "Christian" groups can appear without any other apparent direction than membership. Such "religious" groups are sometimes the reason people become atheists. They want more order in their lives than those Christians have. They think that simply rejecting the errant Christians will somehow lead to a more orderly world without further ado. Remember the original definition of atheism though. It has no direction itself. It has no ideas on what constitutes order. You've discovered that atheists can join groups? Well, congratulations I guess. They can own pets too, you know. They can also be forgetful and bitter at times. And you don't want to show them how much they're like fundamentalist Christians except from a safe distance.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 22, 2018 20:28:54 GMT
You've discovered that atheists can join groups? Well, congratulations I guess. They can own pets too, you know. I think he's trying to argue (rather poorly) atheism is a religion/dogma What I have said is that stupid people can be found in almost any group including atheists, which I doubt you would argue against. Where we might disagree is on the percentage of atheists who are stupid.
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Jul 22, 2018 22:16:20 GMT
Simply going by the definition of "atheism" it isn't something to join. At least not immediately, it isn't. Rather it is a rejection of the direction taken by one or more other groups. There is no direction toward anything yet. It is not well definied that way. It is a direction away from something else. Its "definition" depends heavily on that something else. For whatever reasons, human nature perhaps, atheists do however find strength in numbers, get atheist friends, join atheist groups of more or less coherence, and disport on philosophical issues like they matter much like the people who do join other groups. It can happen to atheists much like it happens to some other people that membership in the group becomes more important than the goal the group was organized to achieve. For example some "Christian" groups can appear without any other apparent direction than membership. Such "religious" groups are sometimes the reason people become atheists. They want more order in their lives than those Christians have. They think that simply rejecting the errant Christians will somehow lead to a more orderly world without further ado. Remember the original definition of atheism though. It has no direction itself. It has no ideas on what constitutes order. You seem to be suggestion that someone's motivation for having a position or a belief is what benefits they get from it? Is that right? Are you saying that's how you made your decision to believe in God? Cos you thought there was something in it for you? Personally I believe things because they seem correct to me. I look at the arguments for and against something, consider the evidence and then (regardless of any personal gain or loss - or any other wishful thinking) I come to a conclusion. But perhaps your beliefs are more easily bought.
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Post by goz on Jul 22, 2018 22:25:53 GMT
Simply going by the definition of "atheism" it isn't something to join. At least not immediately, it isn't. Rather it is a rejection of the direction taken by one or more other groups. There is no direction toward anything yet. It is not well definied that way. It is a direction away from something else. Its "definition" depends heavily on that something else. For whatever reasons, human nature perhaps, atheists do however find strength in numbers, get atheist friends, join atheist groups of more or less coherence, and disport on philosophical issues like they matter much like the people who do join other groups. It can happen to atheists much like it happens to some other people that membership in the group becomes more important than the goal the group was organized to achieve. For example some "Christian" groups can appear without any other apparent direction than membership. Such "religious" groups are sometimes the reason people become atheists. They want more order in their lives than those Christians have. They think that simply rejecting the errant Christians will somehow lead to a more orderly world without further ado. Remember the original definition of atheism though. It has no direction itself. It has no ideas on what constitutes order. You seem abnormally obsessed with something that is simply an absence of something amongst some people. What business is it of yours what each individual believes or doesn't believe?
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 23, 2018 0:06:16 GMT
Simply going by the definition of "atheism" it isn't something to join. At least not immediately, it isn't. Rather it is a rejection of the direction taken by one or more other groups. There is no direction toward anything yet. It is not well definied that way. It is a direction away from something else. Its "definition" depends heavily on that something else. For whatever reasons, human nature perhaps, atheists do however find strength in numbers, get atheist friends, join atheist groups of more or less coherence, and disport on philosophical issues like they matter much like the people who do join other groups. It can happen to atheists much like it happens to some other people that membership in the group becomes more important than the goal the group was organized to achieve. For example some "Christian" groups can appear without any other apparent direction than membership. Such "religious" groups are sometimes the reason people become atheists. They want more order in their lives than those Christians have. They think that simply rejecting the errant Christians will somehow lead to a more orderly world without further ado. Remember the original definition of atheism though. It has no direction itself. It has no ideas on what constitutes order. You seem to be suggestion that someone's motivation for having a position or a belief is what benefits they get from it? Is that right? Are you saying that's how you made your decision to believe in God? Cos you thought there was something in it for you? Personally I believe things because they seem correct to me. I look at the arguments for and against something, consider the evidence and then (regardless of any personal gain or loss - or any other wishful thinking) I come to a conclusion. But perhaps your beliefs are more easily bought. It can be difficult to identify exactly what "motivates" people. Many of them probably consider long lists of pros and cons before making an important decision, others not so much. A lot of people lately believe they examine things critically when they really only copy. The problematic cases of Christians and atheists probably involve a shortage of critical examination. I read far more than most people and not just the Bible. I read most brands of religious writing and much writing that is political or scientific or plain philosophical. Perhaps like you I have a healthy skepticism myself and wonder whether others do.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 23, 2018 0:12:26 GMT
Simply going by the definition of "atheism" it isn't something to join. At least not immediately, it isn't. Rather it is a rejection of the direction taken by one or more other groups. There is no direction toward anything yet. It is not well defined that way. It is a direction away from something else. Its "definition" depends heavily on that something else. For whatever reasons, human nature perhaps, atheists do however find strength in numbers, get atheist friends, join atheist groups of more or less coherence, and disport on philosophical issues like they matter much like the people who do join other groups. It can happen to atheists much like it happens to some other people that membership in the group becomes more important than the goal the group was organized to achieve. For example some "Christian" groups can appear without any other apparent direction than membership. Such "religious" groups are sometimes the reason people become atheists. They want more order in their lives than those Christians have. They think that simply rejecting the errant Christians will somehow lead to a more orderly world without further ado. Remember the original definition of atheism though. It has no direction itself. It has no ideas on what constitutes order. You seem abnormally obsessed with something that is simply an absence of something amongst some people. What business is it of yours what each individual believes or doesn't believe? Following public opinions is a job many people are well paid to conduct. I don't believe I'm any more "obsessed" with the truth of these matters than you are. I am however profoundly concerned with truth and the various relationships people might have with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 0:53:00 GMT
You've discovered that atheists can join groups? Well, congratulations I guess. They can own pets too, you know. They can also be forgetful and bitter at times. Sure they can. Or, you know, the opposite. No, you can do that at any distance. So we've established that atheists are different from one another. In fact, the only thing they have in common is... that they're atheists. Which is a set of responses to a single claim. Amazing. How do you do it, Holmes.
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Post by goz on Jul 23, 2018 1:00:45 GMT
You seem abnormally obsessed with something that is simply an absence of something amongst some people. What business is it of yours what each individual believes or doesn't believe? Following public opinions is a job many people are well paid to conduct. I don't believe I'm any more "obsessed" with the truth of these matters than you are. I am however profoundly concerned with truth and the various relationships people might have with it. ...and yet there is no ultimate 'truth'. It is fair enough to believe whatever you believe or don't believe however, to be arrogant enough to believe it is the only 'truth' is a huge mistake.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Jul 23, 2018 1:09:52 GMT
God has His own roll call, the Book of Life. I fear that many Christians who assume their name is indelibly written there will find out to their horror that it is not. You are a sick fuck
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Jul 23, 2018 1:12:16 GMT
Following public opinions is a job many people are well paid to conduct. I don't believe I'm any more "obsessed" with the truth of these matters than you are. I am however profoundly concerned with truth and the various relationships people might have with it. ...and yet there is no ultimate 'truth'. It is fair enough to believe whatever you believe or don't believe however, to be arrogant enough to believe it is the only 'truth' is a huge mistake. I agree, and USA politics pretty much proves it, but humans are afraid to believe it.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 23, 2018 1:42:25 GMT
God has His own roll call, the Book of Life. I fear that many Christians who assume their name is indelibly written there will find out to their horror that it is not. You are a sick fuck That sounds like a personal opinion.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Jul 23, 2018 2:03:50 GMT
That sounds like a personal opinion. It is absolutely a personal opinion, you 'I think slavery should be legal' sick fuck.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 23, 2018 2:17:18 GMT
That sounds like a personal opinion. It is absolutely a personal opinion, you 'I think slavery should be legal' sick fuck. I never thought slavery should be legal. All I said was that I've not found any preexisting law that the Confederacy broke by seceding in 1861. Slavery wasn't even in the discussion. Now, let's get you reported for your libel and your trolling, okay? Maybe IMDB will do something about it, and maybe they won't. I'll just have try it and see what happens.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Jul 23, 2018 2:49:20 GMT
It is absolutely a personal opinion, you 'I think slavery should be legal' sick fuck. I never thought slavery should be legal. All I said was that I've not found any preexisting law that the Confederacy broke by seceding in 1861. Slavery wasn't even in the discussion. Now, let's get you reported for your libel and your trolling, okay? Maybe IMDB will do something about it, and maybe they won't. I'll just have try it and see what happens. Slavery wasn't in the discussion, you fucking idiot? Why do you think the South wanted to seceed? The amazing thing is you think you are a child of god.
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