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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 18:58:16 GMT
A human being is a human being. Is a zygote a 'human being'?
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Post by Cody™ on Jul 25, 2018 19:16:07 GMT
Well it’s often trotted out by the likes of you and Goz as a sort of counter response to the pro-life position that the killing of a fetus is unethical. I'm really not sure what you're getting at. "Clumps of cells" is what we are. You get upset when people spout off things that are scientifally accurate? I think I'm starting to see the problem. Me: “A fetus is a human being. Abortion is the killing of a human being. “ You&Goz : “uhh abortion is justified and no different to killing a weed growing in your backyard. It’s only a clump of cells ffs!!”
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 25, 2018 19:27:06 GMT
I'm really not sure what you're getting at. "Clumps of cells" is what we are. You get upset when people spout off things that are scientifally accurate? I think I'm starting to see the problem. Me: “A fetus is a human being. Abortion is the killing of a human being. “ You&Goz : “uhh abortion is justified and no different to killing a weed growing in your backyard. It’s only a clump of cells ffs!!” A fetus is a "human" in the same way a sapling is a tree. If you're gonna make that "a fetus is a human" argument, why stop there? Is that the clear, objective line for you for what constitutes a "human"? Why not argue a sperm cell is a human being as well and by proxy a seed is somehow a tree. Is someone causing a mass genocide everytime they jerk off or destroying a whole forest when they throw out a bag of seeds? I noticed you keep doding that other guy who keeps asking you if a zygote is a human.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 19:31:37 GMT
A human being is a human being. Is a zygote a 'human being'?
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Post by Cody™ on Jul 25, 2018 19:45:36 GMT
A human being is a human being. Is a zygote a 'human being'? Human life begins at conception.
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Post by goz on Jul 26, 2018 2:09:47 GMT
Is a zygote a 'human being'? Human life begins at conception. Why does 'your God' abort humans by miscarriage then? Does he have NO idea of the 'humanness' of these humans that get cast out by him a large percentage of the time? You are in touch by prayer, maybe you should mention it some time?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 3:53:59 GMT
Is a zygote a 'human being'? Human life begins at conception. And how do you know this?
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Post by goz on Jul 26, 2018 4:23:27 GMT
Is a zygote a 'human being'? Human life begins at conception. 'Potential life' can begin at conception. It has about an even chance. As many as 50% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage -- most often before a woman misses a menstrual period or even knows she is pregnant. About 15-25% of recognized pregnancies will end in a miscarriage.
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Post by Cody™ on Jul 26, 2018 7:52:53 GMT
Human life begins at conception. And how do you know this? Common sense.
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Post by phludowin on Jul 26, 2018 8:02:14 GMT
Watched the first 12 seconds and decided it wasn't worth my time.
But anyway: A fetus is not a person. Therefore, killing one is not more inherently unethical than killing a grown animal.
In my opinion all anti-choicers who are not fruitarians need to STFU. Because they are not pro-life the moment they eat.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jul 26, 2018 11:17:27 GMT
Watched the first 12 seconds and decided it wasn't worth my time. But anyway: A fetus is not a person. Therefore, killing one is not more inherently unethical than killing a grown animal. In my opinion all anti-choicers who are not fruitarians need to STFU. Because they are not pro-life the moment they eat. If we can expect pro-lifers to understand pro-choice arguments well enough that they don't simplistically respond to straw men, us pro-choicers need to do the same. Most pro-lifers would say that there are unique (at least potential) properties to humans that confer special ethical consideration for them that other animals do not have. So they're not being inconsistent when they eat meat while being pro-life. I don't agree with their argument, but we need to understand it and not straw man it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 14:37:29 GMT
And how do you know this? Common sense. If it's 'common sense' it should be easily explainable.
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Post by general313 on Jul 26, 2018 14:47:18 GMT
Is a zygote a 'human being'? Human life begins at conception. That's a completely arbitrary point. Why not before? (Actually the Catholic church has sometimes taken this stance when they frown on condoms). At conception the potential future person is a single celled zygote, and there is no brain or nerves whatsoever, so it is no more immoral to terminate that living zygote than it is to terminate the life of a human foreskin.
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Post by Cody™ on Jul 26, 2018 14:52:41 GMT
Human life begins at conception. That's a completely arbitrary point. Why not before? (Actually the Catholic church has sometimes taken this stance when they frown on condoms). At conception the potential future person is a single celled zygote, and there is no brain or nerves whatsoever, so it is no more immoral to terminate that living zygote than it is to terminate the life of a human foreskin. LOL
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Post by general313 on Jul 26, 2018 14:58:47 GMT
That's a completely arbitrary point. Why not before? (Actually the Catholic church has sometimes taken this stance when they frown on condoms). At conception the potential future person is a single celled zygote, and there is no brain or nerves whatsoever, so it is no more immoral to terminate that living zygote than it is to terminate the life of a human foreskin. LOL So it seems that you're unable to articulate a response.
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Post by Cody™ on Jul 26, 2018 15:01:20 GMT
So it seems that you're unable to articulate a response. TBH I stopped reading at...”Why not before?” You really expect me to take the rest of your post seriously after that bit of nonsense?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 15:43:20 GMT
But he's just saying the same stupid shit that's been said a million times before And yet it’s still enough to refute every one of the desperate arguments she utters. Every argument you utter on this forum about abortion is rapidly refuted, but it never seems to bother you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 15:48:11 GMT
I'm really not sure what you're getting at. "Clumps of cells" is what we are. You get upset when people spout off things that are scientifally accurate? I think I'm starting to see the problem. Me: “A fetus is a human being. Abortion is the killing of a human being. “ Me : "I don't care. There are things at stake more important than that." You : "Well then you're a poopy head! My feelings are hurt and I'm going to insult you! Booooo you! Booooo!" *runs away crying, unable to think of any counter argument*
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Post by general313 on Jul 26, 2018 16:39:39 GMT
So it seems that you're unable to articulate a response. TBH I stopped reading at...”Why not before?” You really expect me to take the rest of your post seriously after that bit of nonsense? In my opinion I agree that that is pretty nonsensical, but I also think that picking the moment of conception as a magical moment is also nonsensical. As for "before", how about you explain why the Catholic church is or was opposed to condoms?
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Post by Cody™ on Jul 26, 2018 17:27:26 GMT
TBH I stopped reading at...”Why not before?” You really expect me to take the rest of your post seriously after that bit of nonsense? In my opinion I agree that that is pretty nonsensical, but I also think that picking the moment of conception as a magical moment is also nonsensical. As for "before", how about you explain why the Catholic church is or was opposed to condoms? I am not a Catholic. You’ll have to take it up with the RCC.
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