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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 17:40:43 GMT
YES! It's pathetic AF to reference a stupid meme like that in a major blockbuster movie. I created a thread about this earlier this year. Imagine if Luke asked Han "Where's the Beef?" in Empire Strikes Back... Why would he say that when ESB happened a long time ago in a galaxy far away? That commercial didn't come out yet. Black Panther happened a couple years ago (around the time of the meme) in this galaxy. That's beside the point. I was just demonstrating how horrendous and tacky it would be to use an 80s meme in a classic 80s movie. You can substitute any movie you like.
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Post by barfholomew on Jul 26, 2018 17:50:09 GMT
That line didn't bother me in the slightest because
1) That was exactly what I was thinking when I saw that footwear. 2) I didn't even know that was supposed to be a meme.
And besides what's wrong if some obscure meme slips in a MCU film: They are supposed to be happening on an alternate earth in the same timeline as ours and not "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away"
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 27, 2018 19:31:23 GMT
You do know the movie took place a week after Civil War, right? It time stamped the movie by having something from around that time. Yes I’m aware. The thing is, even for 2016, that meme was already dated. Again, the meme was from 2015. The big memes of 2016 were “Damn, Daniel” and Harambe. Of course, referencing those memes would still be pretty irritating, and would still risk dating the movie, unless it’s meant to be a period piece. Even having a movie happen 2 years ago makes it a period piece. And they would seem irritating to you because you know them. I mean would you find it irritating if you watched a movie from the 80s that had "memes" from that time period? Also, people were still saying and making "What are those?" videos in 2016.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 27, 2018 19:36:00 GMT
Yes I’m aware. The thing is, even for 2016, that meme was already dated. Again, the meme was from 2015. The big memes of 2016 were “Damn, Daniel” and Harambe. Of course, referencing those memes would still be pretty irritating, and would still risk dating the movie, unless it’s meant to be a period piece. Even having a movie happen 2 years ago makes it a period piece. And they would seem irritating to you because you know them. I mean would you find it irritating if you watched a movie from the 80s that had "memes" from that time period? Also, people were still saying and making "What are those?" videos in 2016. I mean, I cringe at the use of words like “cowabunga” and “radical” in the 1987 Ninja Turtles cartoon. It’s a dumb way of trying to be relevant that only ends up dating your product.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 27, 2018 19:37:31 GMT
Why would he say that when ESB happened a long time ago in a galaxy far away? That commercial didn't come out yet. Black Panther happened a couple years ago (around the time of the meme) in this galaxy. That's beside the point. I was just demonstrating how horrendous and tacky it would be to use an 80s meme in a classic 80s movie. You can substitute any movie you like. But they did use 80s "memes" in 80s movies. Like I said to thisguy4000, you just recognize it because it is something from now.
This image is a 80s meme.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 27, 2018 19:39:26 GMT
Even having a movie happen 2 years ago makes it a period piece. And they would seem irritating to you because you know them. I mean would you find it irritating if you watched a movie from the 80s that had "memes" from that time period? Also, people were still saying and making "What are those?" videos in 2016. I mean, I cringe at the use of words like “cowabunga” and “radical” in the 1987 Ninja Turtles cartoon. It’s a dumb way of trying to be relevant that only ends up dating your product. Isn't that the point? Did you cringe when you watched it on the 1st airing? No, because people were actually saying that at the time. Taking stuff like that out sterilizes the product.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 27, 2018 19:42:41 GMT
I mean, I cringe at the use of words like “cowabunga” and “radical” in the 1987 Ninja Turtles cartoon. It’s a dumb way of trying to be relevant that only ends up dating your product. Isn't that the point? Did you cringe when you watched it on the 1st airing? No, because people were actually saying that at the time. Taking stuff like that out sterilizes the product. Doing something that dates your product is never a good idea. That meme was never funny to begin with, and referencing it in a 2018 film (even one that takes place in 2016) is a really annoying attempt to try and be relevant. Would anyone have even remembered that meme if BP didn’t throw it in?
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 27, 2018 20:05:57 GMT
You do know the movie took place a week after Civil War, right? It time stamped the movie by having something from around that time. No, it wasn't meant to time stamp the movie. It was pandering, a horribly cheap moment in an otherwise great movie. Besides, no one will even remember that ridiculous shoe video in a few years. It's not exactly a cultural landmark. For those watching it now, it is a time stamp. There's at least 2 time stamps. There's them flat out saying that the movie takes place a week after Civil War and Shuri making the joke.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 27, 2018 20:09:19 GMT
Isn't that the point? Did you cringe when you watched it on the 1st airing? No, because people were actually saying that at the time. Taking stuff like that out sterilizes the product. Doing something that dates your product is never a good idea. That meme was never funny to begin with, and referencing it in a 2018 film (even one that takes place in 2016) is a really annoying attempt to try and be relevant. Would anyone have even remembered that meme if BP didn’t throw it in? So if I go see a movie about Abraham Lincoln I'm suppose to think that it is suppose to take place now? What about Ready Player One? We have none of that stuff that's in that movie. Blade Runner 2049... Uh, oh. Black Panther is suppose to take place 2 years ago. Not in the year it came out. I hate to tell you but... Wonder Woman 1984.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 27, 2018 21:58:37 GMT
Doing something that dates your product is never a good idea. That meme was never funny to begin with, and referencing it in a 2018 film (even one that takes place in 2016) is a really annoying attempt to try and be relevant. Would anyone have even remembered that meme if BP didn’t throw it in? So if I go see a movie about Abraham Lincoln I'm suppose to think that it is suppose to take place now? What about Ready Player One? We have none of that stuff that's in that movie. Blade Runner 2049... Uh, oh. Black Panther is suppose to take place 2 years ago. Not in the year it came out. I hate to tell you but... Wonder Woman 1984.
How exactly did you come to that conclusion? I never said having the movie take place in 2016 is bad. I said that I’d rather they not use an unfunny meme for their movie, especially not one that was from 2015. I seriously doubt they even made that joke with the intention of emphasizing that BP is a period piece.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 22:02:05 GMT
My toes curled when I heard that line
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 0:43:45 GMT
Yes I’m aware. The thing is, even for 2016, that meme was already dated. Again, the meme was from 2015. The big memes of 2016 were “Damn, Daniel” and Harambe. Of course, referencing those memes would still be pretty irritating, and would still risk dating the movie, unless it’s meant to be a period piece. Even having a movie happen 2 years ago makes it a period piece. And they would seem irritating to you because you know them. I mean would you find it irritating if you watched a movie from the 80s that had "memes" from that time period? Also, morons were still saying and making "What are those?" videos in 2016.Fixed
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 0:46:23 GMT
I mean, I cringe at the use of words like “cowabunga” and “radical” in the 1987 Ninja Turtles cartoon. It’s a dumb way of trying to be relevant that only ends up dating your product. Isn't that the point? Did you cringe when you watched it on the 1st airing? No, because people were actually saying that at the time. Taking stuff like that out sterilizes the product. But "What Are Those" was not a cultural landmark. It was a stupid internet meme. Using it was cheap, tacky and pandering. It doesn't just date the movie, it makes that whole scene cringeworthy.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 28, 2018 1:01:18 GMT
Well I'm sure they learned their lesson from this whole meme fiasco. I'm sure Disney and Marvel will make a note of it and then put the note in a vault along with the $1.3 BILLION that Black Panther made.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 28, 2018 1:02:08 GMT
So if I go see a movie about Abraham Lincoln I'm suppose to think that it is suppose to take place now? What about Ready Player One? We have none of that stuff that's in that movie. Blade Runner 2049... Uh, oh. Black Panther is suppose to take place 2 years ago. Not in the year it came out. I hate to tell you but... Wonder Woman 1984.
How exactly did you come to that conclusion? I never said having the movie take place in 2016 is bad. I said that I’d rather they not use an unfunny meme for their movie, especially not one that was from 2015. I seriously doubt they even made that joke with the intention of emphasizing that BP is a period piece. You said dating a movie is bad. So if they date an Abraham Lincoln movie, is that bad? If he uses a saying that is specifically of the current year of that scene, is that a bad thing?
You might doubt that, but it doesn't mean it isn't true, Mr. Thomas.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 28, 2018 1:04:10 GMT
Isn't that the point? Did you cringe when you watched it on the 1st airing? No, because people were actually saying that at the time. Taking stuff like that out sterilizes the product. But "What Are Those" was not a cultural landmark. It was a stupid internet meme. Using it was cheap, tacky and pandering. It doesn't just date the movie, it makes that whole scene cringeworthy. Cringe worthy for you.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 28, 2018 1:22:23 GMT
How exactly did you come to that conclusion? I never said having the movie take place in 2016 is bad. I said that I’d rather they not use an unfunny meme for their movie, especially not one that was from 2015. I seriously doubt they even made that joke with the intention of emphasizing that BP is a period piece. You said dating a movie is bad. So if they date an Abraham Lincoln movie, is that bad? If he uses a saying that is specifically of the current year of that scene, is that a bad thing?
You might doubt that, but it doesn't mean it isn't true, Mr. Thomas.
Having a movie in 2018 take place in 2016 doesn’t necessarily date it, but referencing a 2015 meme in that movie does. Besides, how many of the people who watched the movie were even aware that it takes place in 2016?
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Post by leesilm on Jul 28, 2018 1:49:33 GMT
Honestly, I just took it as normal, sisterly teasing cause I had no idea it was a reference to anything.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 28, 2018 2:15:34 GMT
Honestly, I just took it as normal, sisterly teasing cause I had no idea it was a reference to anything. As did most people. Besides I don't get this aversion to "dating". Everything dates a movie; fashion, hairstyle, cars, expressions, special effects. Unless you are making a movie about the future, how do you not "date" a movie?
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Post by leesilm on Jul 29, 2018 2:29:46 GMT
Honestly, I just took it as normal, sisterly teasing cause I had no idea it was a reference to anything. As did most people. Besides I don't get this aversion to "dating". Everything dates a movie; fashion, hairstyle, cars, expressions, special effects. Unless you are making a movie about the future, how do you not "date" a movie? Heck, even then you do. The original BLADE RUNNER's idea of the future vs. the old black and white FLASH GORDON's idea of the future. Roddenbury thought there might be a World War by the 1990s and that we'd have genetically modified soldiers by the year 2,000 (hence Khan), which shows that it had to have been written/produced pre-1980s. But I'm with you, I understand trying to not be overly-dated, but considering your special effects, actors, acting styles, musical choices, sets, costumes, and more will all date it eventually, it seems a waste of time to try to avoid it entirely.
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