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Post by london777 on Jul 30, 2018 5:02:24 GMT
A good film ruined by one scene. Surely the script-writers knew that television did not exist in those days? |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jul 30, 2018 5:25:49 GMT
A good film ruined by one scene. Surely the script-writers knew that television did not exist in those days?
Watch out, you may have to forfeit your title of CLASSic Curmudgeon if you keep being funny, london777. 
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Post by london777 on Jul 30, 2018 5:29:23 GMT
Watch out, you may have to forfeit your title of CLASSic Curmudgeon if you keep being funny, london777 . I already lost that title to NxNWRocks. I cannot compete with his level of offensiveness. |
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Post by spiderwort on Jul 31, 2018 2:38:05 GMT
Pfui. Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed or something? I’ve told you once, I’ve told you a million times before, don’t go out of your way to insult people, especially not those who haven’t been anything but nice to you or anyone else. petrolino , keep doing what you’re doing. We all greatly appreciate it. Thanks, salzmank, for articulating what we all feel. petrolino , your posts are wonderful and amazing, a glory to behold. Thank you for all your hard work, and for sharing it with all of us. |
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Post by plasma on Jul 31, 2018 5:55:58 GMT
A terrific western. Quite uncommon to see a film of its time ending with the character getting down, and actually crying.
One thing that should be note is how influential the film was in terms of music being used to promote films. The title song by Dimitri Timokin was turned into a single before the film release, and became an instant hit. It then became commonplace to have a major studio release have a song made to promote the film, especially in the 60's, which would then be incorporated into the films score. These days that sort of film / song thing almost seems like a lost art, especially since so many film songs these days are written separate of the film composer.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 31, 2018 18:29:13 GMT
Never really been interested in westerns as a genre but I prefer the European westerns to "American" ones I have seen and tried to figure out why--I think it is because they feel more truthful to behavior. Not that there aren't political messages in the European ones--there often is, but they do not feel so phoney in depictions of character to make a point. In the US ones (or rather Hollywood) the characters are usually guided by a kind of moral theme that requires adjusting behavior to fit the message. It can be very artificial.
IMO a film that presents behavior in a natural way--that corresponds to experience and observation, will stand the test of time more so than one where a specific controlled behavior is engineered precisely to reinforce a theme.
I think the point with Hawks's and Wayne's criticism ---the "left" (that is most of Hollywood then and all of Hollywood today) champions a message where the society is bad and the outsider is good, the "right" champions a message where the society is good and the outsider is bad, or at least not to be trusted unless they show loyalty to the society and know their place, or live separately.
The only Hollywood (ignoring United Artists ) western where I didn't feel hit over the head with the message was Chuka, but maybe that was because the ending is kind of ambiguous.
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Post by petrolino on Jul 31, 2018 21:54:51 GMT
Never really been interested in westerns as a genre but I prefer the European westerns to "American" ones I have seen and tried to figure out why--I think it is because they feel more truthful to behavior. Not that there aren't political messages in the European ones--there often is, but they do not feel so phoney in depictions of character to make a point. In the US ones (or rather Hollywood) the characters are usually guided by a kind of moral theme that requires adjusting behavior to fit the message. It can be very artificial. IMO a film that presents behavior in a natural way--that corresponds to experience and observation, will stand the test of time more so than one where a specific controlled behavior is engineered precisely to reinforce a theme. I think the point with Hawks's and Wayne's criticism ---the "left" (that is most of Hollywood then and all of Hollywood today) champions a message where the society is bad and the outsider is good, the "right" champions a message where the society is good and the outsider is bad, or at least not to be trusted unless they show loyalty to the society and know their place, or live separately. The only Hollywood (ignoring United Artists ) western where I didn't feel hit over the head with the message was Chuka, but maybe that was because the ending is kind of ambiguous. Westerns often make me think of myths, fables and morality plays. |
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Post by telegonus on Aug 3, 2018 20:43:47 GMT
RE: Lon Chaney has a nice role in High Noon as the former marshall … look at his handStrange about Chaney's aging. He looked a heck of a lot more robust several years after [n]High Noon [/b] in The Defiant |
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