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Post by summers8 on Jul 28, 2018 17:46:19 GMT
real x-men...good cinematography.grounded look and feel. amazing acting
MCU X-MEN...Cartoon look and explosions
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Post by summers8 on Jul 28, 2018 21:29:58 GMT
See that's where I disagree. Once they cut off Jane and Darcy out, that's where the film improved. Did I like every joke made in Ragnarok? No. But I'd still take that over the cringe that was Darcy. Plus Thor Ragnarok had Jeff Goldblum in it. That right there already made it a superior film over The Dark World. Ragnarok doesnt respect the source material of the characters. Thor isnt a constant quippy, smartass character. The grandmaster is a serious toned Elder god, not Jeff Goldblum playing himself. Ragnarok the event itself is a storyline taken very seriously. TDW is the better Thor film for respecting the source. yep, can't believe I miss this post. well said. ironically the director of Ragnarok underestimated people's knowledge on comics and norse mythology. he was surprised when people confronted him on how he got the movie wrong and he replied in the most disney brain fart way. Which makes me even appreciate how honest the director of Iron Man 2, Joss Whedon and Alan Taylor were about the garbage mcu movies they made.
He ignored the comics and Norse mythology entirely and said movies are about fun. can you imagine if a director of X-men and DC did that? lol. but watch out for the article to see how the media spins it to MCU's favour. 'Thor: Ragnarok' Director Gives Epic Reply To Comedy Criticism
the article calls it an epic reply when it is a coward reply. Glad we all spoke out and the movie was quickly deposed when the truth came out that it was a parody of the real Ragnarok.
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Post by scabab on Jul 28, 2018 21:35:00 GMT
If you stamp civil war with a fox studio logo, it will get the same reception as X3. No, movies don't change quality depending on the studio, that's now how it works. X-men 3 was always considered so so and a disappointment for the time. It shoehorned way too much into too short of a movie. Civil War was also the much better movie. Civil War got better reviews than Deadpool as well. It was better than Doctor Strange but it's not even an X-men movie. That doesn't even make sense. For the most part they've been inferior. The last X-men movie was worse than all 20 MCU movies. Sounds like Dark Phoenix will be too. The last Wolverine movie was fantastic but that series is over with. It'll go the same way as Spider-man. The Spider-man movies under Sony where on a downward slope since Spider-man 2 and interest was waning until the MCU saved it. That's going to happen with X-men.
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Post by summers8 on Jul 28, 2018 21:55:38 GMT
If you stamp civil war with a fox studio logo, it will get the same reception as X3. No, movies don't change quality depending on the studio, that's now how it works. X-men 3 was always considered so so and a disappointment for the time. It shoehorned way too much into too short of a movie. Civil War was also the much better movie. Civil War got better reviews than Deadpool as well. It was better than Doctor Strange but it's not even an X-men movie. That doesn't even make sense. For the most part they've been inferior. The last X-men movie was worse than all 20 MCU movies. Sounds like Dark Phoenix will be too. The last Wolverine movie was fantastic but that series is over with. It'll go the same way as Spider-man. The Spider-man movies under Sony where on a downward slope since Spider-man 2 and interest was waning until the MCU saved it. That's going to happen with X-men. the fact that civil war and dr strange got better reviews than deadpool confirms the critics are biased to marvel. they may have gotten better reviews on garbage site like RT that noone takes seriously but they did not get better reviews when it came to real film makers and serious artistic film fans and honest critics who called out dr strange for being an idiotic version of Nolan's Inception or Civil War for failing to tackle the politics deeply.. deadpool getting nominated for a golden globe award as a ground breaking art house comic film supersedes any garbage rt reviews that tells us BP is the best movie ever talkless of Civil war or dr strange. deadpool kept its momentum all through the end of 2016, civil war and dr strange were forgotten quickly. so deadpool owned 2016.
disney did not save spiderman,
they made worse spiderman movies. amazing spiderman is better because at least it is not high school musical.
they made worse star wars movies
they will make worse xmen movies.
that is their track record
oh and deadpool is better than civil war and dr strange. more original, more Dearing and more creative with a better stand out story. sorry.
civil war and dr strange= marvel formula movies.
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Post by scabab on Jul 28, 2018 23:31:43 GMT
the fact that civil war and dr strange got better reviews than deadpool confirms the critics are biased to marvel. Well that's nonsense immediately because critics gave Days of Future Past better reviews than Winter Soldier and critics gave Logan better reviews than Spider-man Homecoming and Thor Ragnarok. Oh they certainly did. Since Spider-man 3 they were making less and less money worldwide. Actually domestically they had been making less and less money since the original movie. The Amazing Spider-man 2 was a financial disappointment, the movie was not liked at all and any sequel would have yet again made less money. Spider-man Homecoming not only saved the series financially people actually liked this one, more so than any movie since Spider-man 2. No both The Force Awakens and Rogue One were clearly more well liked than any of the prequels. Yet to be seen however if rumours turn out true on Dark Phoenix then combined with how Apocalypse turned out then thats not likely. The X-men series is on its way out. Wolverine is done. The original cast are done. Ryan Reynolds said Deadpool 3 could be unlikely. The last X-men movie wasn't liked and wasn't successful. The next X-men movie could be even less liked and less successful. New Mutants will probably not fare any better. They've had a good run at what will 19 years but it's time they moved on to something new and better.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 28, 2018 23:50:27 GMT
People keep throwing "the next Batman & Robin" around with whatever is their least favorite comic book/superhero based movie when they have no idea what that sort of title entails.
Batman & Robin was more than just a bad movie, it ended a continuity of commercially successful films and left its franchise in the cooler till almost a decade later when a full-on reboot came about. It's reception was so poor there was no going back to whatever hill the earlier films had built, they had to only build a newer from scratch. General outlook on superheroes was not very pretty afterward, you couldn't be a typical kid and go about talking about Batman, Robin, or Superman in the lunchroom around the "cool kids" or on the playground either or else you were subject to ridicule. Early to mid 00's was when it became cool to like both DC and Marvel respectively thanks to the grittier Batman relaunch and the first two Spider-Mans and X-Mans, and Blade too to a certain extent.
There is no "Batman & Robin" for the MCU, because they have never had a movie which was hated so badly that it ruined everyone's perception of it and that creatively and financially speaking they had to recreate the whole wall from scratch. The closest would probably the single season of television for the Inhumans - Ratings weren't good, and most critic and fan reception was non too pleasant, ABC had no other choice but to pull the plug. You can hate on Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor: Ragnarok, and any other MCU product as much as you wish - it still doesn't qualify them as being a Batman & Robin though.
A better more modern example of a contemporary version of Batman & Robin would be 2009's X-Men Origins: Wolverine(100% made by Fox) - Enough said. Any X-Men movie after has outright ignore it other than Deadpool which comedically jabs at it from time to time.
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