Eλευθερί
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jul 28, 2018 16:34:05 GMT
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Jesus
Jul 28, 2018 17:07:01 GMT
Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 28, 2018 17:07:01 GMT
lol
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Post by goz on Jul 29, 2018 21:42:09 GMT
In that case, he doesn't seem to have much in common with American Conservatives!
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Jesus
Jul 29, 2018 21:46:32 GMT
Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 29, 2018 21:46:32 GMT
I've argued with Christian conservatives about this before and suggested they should worship Ayn Rand instead.
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Jesus
Jul 30, 2018 16:27:46 GMT
Post by koskiewicz on Jul 30, 2018 16:27:46 GMT
Jesus MacFarlane was a catcher for the Pittsburg Pirates in the early 1960's...
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 30, 2018 16:35:40 GMT
While Jesus as not any of these things since they are political ideologies, one can be a Christian & conservative or a Christian & liberal.
The two are distinct and neither political ideology matches up to Jesus' instruction since his kingdom is better than anything either of them could cook up.
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Jesus
Jul 30, 2018 16:44:11 GMT
Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 30, 2018 16:44:11 GMT
While Jesus as not any of these things since they are political ideologies, one can be a Christian & conservative or a Christian & liberal. The two are distinct and neither political ideology matches up to Jesus' instruction since his kingdom is better than anything either of them could cook up. They can be either one, though I would still make the argument that trying to make the teachings of Jesus fall in line with economic conservativism/libertarianism requires more mental gymnastics. Contrast that with the teachings of Ayn Rand, which falls much more in line with right wing economics, no mental tapdancing required there.
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Jesus
Jul 30, 2018 17:09:39 GMT
Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 30, 2018 17:09:39 GMT
While Jesus as not any of these things since they are political ideologies, one can be a Christian & conservative or a Christian & liberal. The two are distinct and neither political ideology matches up to Jesus' instruction since his kingdom is better than anything either of them could cook up. They can be either one, though I would still make the argument that trying to make the teachings of Jesus fall in line with economic conservativism/libertarianism requires more mental gymnastics. Contrast that with the teachings of Ayn Rand, which falls much more in line with right wing economics, no mental tapdancing required there. While I agree, I think it is equally difficult to fold into liberalism.
Yes, Jesus healed people, gave to the poor, and called out religious and political leaders.
However, he also said there's only one true religion that requires his disciples follow him, his enemy rules the world, & he's going to lead a massacre that makes the Flood wimpy in comparison.
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Jesus
Jul 30, 2018 17:14:53 GMT
Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 30, 2018 17:14:53 GMT
They can be either one, though I would still make the argument that trying to make the teachings of Jesus fall in line with economic conservativism/libertarianism requires more mental gymnastics. Contrast that with the teachings of Ayn Rand, which falls much more in line with right wing economics, no mental tapdancing required there. While I agree, I think it is equally difficult to fold into liberalism.
Yes, Jesus healed people, gave to the poor, and called out religious and political leaders.
However, he also said there's only one true religion that requires his disciples follow him, his enemy rules the world, & he's going to lead a massacre that makes the Flood wimpy in comparison.
Liberalism as a whole? Perhaps, Jesus never said anything about environmentalism, drugs, gun control, illegal immigration, feminism, and some of his teachings could probably be used to justify theocracy. But if were talking spefically economics (which is what I was specifically refering to), then I would say his teachings fall much more in line with leftist ecomics/socialism than right wing economics/libertarianism.
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Post by goz on Jul 30, 2018 21:50:18 GMT
They can be either one, though I would still make the argument that trying to make the teachings of Jesus fall in line with economic conservativism/libertarianism requires more mental gymnastics. Contrast that with the teachings of Ayn Rand, which falls much more in line with right wing economics, no mental tapdancing required there. While I agree, I think it is equally difficult to fold into liberalism.
Yes, Jesus healed people, gave to the poor, and called out religious and political leaders.
However, he also said there's only one true religion that requires his disciples follow him, his enemy rules the world, & he's going to lead a massacre that makes the Flood wimpy in comparison.
That sounds exciting. When should we look forward to this? What form will it take? Should we start building another ark? more guns? build a wall?
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Jesus
Jul 30, 2018 21:59:55 GMT
Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 30, 2018 21:59:55 GMT
While I agree, I think it is equally difficult to fold into liberalism.
Yes, Jesus healed people, gave to the poor, and called out religious and political leaders.
However, he also said there's only one true religion that requires his disciples follow him, his enemy rules the world, & he's going to lead a massacre that makes the Flood wimpy in comparison.
That sounds exciting. When should we look forward to this? What form will it take? Should we start building another ark? more guns? build a wall? None of that will work. Fortunately, it may not happen in your lifetime and you can live happily ever after.
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Jesus
Jul 30, 2018 22:35:26 GMT
Post by goz on Jul 30, 2018 22:35:26 GMT
That sounds exciting. When should we look forward to this? What form will it take? Should we start building another ark? more guns? build a wall? None of that will work. Fortunately, it may not happen in your lifetime and you can live happily ever after. Hot damn! What would work or are we all 'for it'! Oh wait, you never answered me about the number 144,000! Answer please.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 0:28:07 GMT
I've argued with Christian conservatives about this before and suggested they should worship Ayn Rand instead. A lot of them do. Of course most of them only know her for her "fuck the poor, the wealthy are awesome and can do what they like" attitude. It's quite comical to see the reaction when one points out her attitude towards religion...
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