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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Feb 27, 2019 16:06:16 GMT
Oh, I have a lot to say about drug use.
When I was young and wrapped up in religion, I was disdainful of people who used drugs, religion frowns on any of that stuff - drugs, sex and rock-and-roll.
But when I was diagnosed with cancer at age 35, and had a major surgery, I had a stunning realization that morphine is GOOD, especially after they have cut off body parts. I realized that much of drug use is about making the pain stop, whether medical, or existential, or just painful circumstances.
I now, in my later years, have developed severe migraine headaches, and sometimes the only thing that will make the pain stop is Vicodin. But the government, or the drug companies, or the lawyers - depending on your viewpoint - are making it more difficult for ANYONE to get Vicodin, because "someone might misuse it and become ADDICTED, and we can't let people make their own choices". Those of us who use painkillers only when we are in pain have to jump through hoops to get the MEDICINE we need to function.
People can choose to use alcohol responsibly, or drive drunk and endanger others. There are no limitations on alcohol purchases other than being of a certain age. Prohibition didn't work back in the 1920's, but now we have it on prescription painkillers, presumably prescribed by competent doctors for people that really are in pain. Why do I have to PROVE I really need it? If someone uses the drug irresponsibly, punish them, not the legitimate users.
You cannot legislate a totally safe society without sacrificing freedom and individual responsibility.
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Companies who make cigarettes are not held responsible for lung cancer and COPD, they use a disclaimer on the package.
Companies who make alcohol are not held responsible for medical issues or traffic accidents that result from the use of their product, they also have a disclaimer on the label.
Companies that make cell phones are not held responsible for the many deadly car crashes that happen while driving distracted or texting. One recent accident in my area, a 19 year old girl was texting, slammed into a stopped 18 wheeler at 70 mph, and died instantly. No one is suing the cell phone company.
But the drug companies are afraid of LAWSUITS? Give me a break...
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Post by mslo79 on Feb 27, 2019 21:22:22 GMT
Roberto That's only potentially true "if" abused. it's not outright bad like hard drugs are. that's the difference. so I would definitely disagree with you on that one, especially the 'by far' part, because say you have some alcohol or some hard drugs... which is worse at this point? ; the hard drugs, obviously. because some alcohol is pretty much harmless when used responsibly where as hard drugs are not harmless.
so trying to paint alcohol is the worst 'by far' is simply not true as it only becomes bad 'if' someone abuses it. hard drugs on the other hand are just outright bad.
p.s. even on a personal harm level... hard drugs will do more harm to ones body than alcohol will as alcohol will only become a real problem if it's really abused where as long as it's not really abused, the hard drugs will definitely be more harmful to ones overall health over the long term. so as long as someone is not going crazy with the alcohol (say something like moderate, or somewhere between moderate-heavy use or so) it's pretty safe to say hard drugs are more harmful to the users health over the long term with stuff like meth and the like. because to kill, or seriously injure, oneself with alcohol you really got to go off on it where as hard drugs it's more of a crap-shoot.
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Post by Xcalatë on Feb 27, 2019 22:16:14 GMT
Smart people, they get to escape this hellhole for a moment and also speed up their demise.
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Post by theravenking on Feb 27, 2019 22:36:26 GMT
It’s quite a complex matter. I know someone who happens to be godmother to a teenager who has drug problems. Apparently the kid has fallen in with the wrong crowd, he has talked of quitting school and becoming a drug dealer, so he can earn a lot of money and drive expensive cars. He was already picked up by the police for dealing. Now the last time I heard he threatened to commit suicide, so they sent him to some psychiatric institution, but they could only keep him there for a few days. It certainly puts a lot of pressure on his parents, since they have no idea what to do.
My main problem with drug addicts is: They tend to play the victim card too often. I mean people who are suffering from some illness, those are the ones who are real victims. It’s not like anyone chooses to have cancer or Parkinson’s, but doing drugs is still a choice. I know in some instances there can be outside pressure, but you can still say no.
I remember when I was at school almost everybody there smoked. There were perhaps a dozen people among the several hundred who did not. I never smoked a cigarette my whole life. I simply had no interest in it and always declined when I was offered one.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Feb 27, 2019 23:07:19 GMT
People gotta do what people gotta do.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 28, 2019 1:03:59 GMT
Years ago I used to think they were stupid and couldn't understand why they would do it. As time has gone by I can understand why some people would want to. An escape to the crapness of the world. So I am all for drug use as long as it's done safely and in moderation, and as long as you don't have a family or a child or anyone to look after. If that's the case then they are assholes. You don't need drugs. You just need a better attitude. "Crappiness of the world" ?? . . . Good grief. I feel sorry for you.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 28, 2019 1:09:31 GMT
Companies that make cell phones are not held responsible for the many deadly car crashes that happen while driving distracted or texting. One recent accident in my area, a 19 year old girl was texting, slammed into a stopped 18 wheeler at 70 mph, and died instantly. No one is suing the cell phone company.
But the drug companies are afraid of LAWSUITS? Give me a break...
It is not the cell phone company's fault that stupid ass was texting and driving. It's her fault exclusively.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 28, 2019 1:17:37 GMT
I think it is so stupid. It is like playing Russian Roulette with your life.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Feb 28, 2019 3:06:25 GMT
Companies that make cell phones are not held responsible for the many deadly car crashes that happen while driving distracted or texting. One recent accident in my area, a 19 year old girl was texting, slammed into a stopped 18 wheeler at 70 mph, and died instantly. No one is suing the cell phone company.
But the drug companies are afraid of LAWSUITS? Give me a break...
It is not the cell phone company's fault that stupid ass was texting and driving. It's her fault exclusively. Yes, it is, but that was my point. People make their own choices about alcohol, smoking and texting, why are they not allowed to make their own - perhaps stupid - choices about drugs?
Why all the rules in place to make sure people have a hard time getting drugs, and no preventative efforts for the other things?
Why do I, a legitimate patient, have to drive to the doctor's office every three months to get a hard copy prescription for Vicodin? No one is going to sue the drug company for producing a drug that caused someone's death, if they used it improperly, but that is why we have all this hype about the 'opioid crisis'. It's just to make sure that the drug companies don't lose any MONEY. It's about the money, not any real concern for peoples' lives.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Feb 28, 2019 3:15:40 GMT
I think it is so stupid. It is like playing Russian Roulette with your life. So is driving, but people still choose to get behind the wheel of a car.
Does it occur to you that people who use drugs are so unhappy that they don't care about the risk of drug use?
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Post by Aj_June on Feb 28, 2019 3:24:02 GMT
As long as others do not have to face problems because of drug use I wouldn't have much of a problem. But I know of one very nice person who has suffered because of drug problems of first her husband, then her son and now of her grandson. Her husband made her life hell because of addiction, then the same thing her son did and now the grandson who happens to be my nephew is just as problematic. Her son died in an accident while he was totally drugged. The nephew has been to a rehabilitation center once or twice but he continues his habit when he gets back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 3:32:02 GMT
Who? Have you ever tried something like LSD or acid? What about salvia? (legal apparently) LSD/acid, yes, a number of times, but I prefer shrooms. Shrooms are a psychotropic like LSD/acid. They produce a "trip." I don't believe that I've had salvia. Salvia is nuts. It's legal in WA to "buy, but not consume" so I was able to pick it up at a regular vape shop. Hard shit, I'll never do a psychedelic again.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 28, 2019 3:57:41 GMT
It is not the cell phone company's fault that stupid ass was texting and driving. It's her fault exclusively. Yes, it is, but that was my point. People make their own choices about alcohol, smoking and texting, why are they not allowed to make their own - perhaps stupid - choices about drugs?
Why all the rules in place to make sure people have a hard time getting drugs, and no preventative efforts for the other things?
Why do I, a legitimate patient, have to drive to the doctor's office every three months to get a hard copy prescription for Vicodin? No one is going to sue the drug company for producing a drug that caused someone's death, if they used it improperly, but that is why we have all this hype about the 'opioid crisis'. It's just to make sure that the drug companies don't lose any MONEY. It's about the money, not any real concern for peoples' lives. Okay. I'm sorry. I agree. Drugs should be legalized.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 28, 2019 4:00:01 GMT
I think it is so stupid. It is like playing Russian Roulette with your life. So is driving, but people still choose to get behind the wheel of a car.
Does it occur to you that people who use drugs are so unhappy that they don't care about the risk of drug use? I don't think most people who start using drugs are searching from an escape from unhappiness. I think most start using drugs from 1) peer pressure from others. And/Or 2) curiosity. Either way, they are stupid to ignore the risks. Or not be aware of the risks. Same with the young people who start smoking cigarettes today.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Feb 28, 2019 4:21:02 GMT
So is driving, but people still choose to get behind the wheel of a car.
Does it occur to you that people who use drugs are so unhappy that they don't care about the risk of drug use? I don't think most people who start using drugs are searching from an escape from unhappiness. I think most start using drugs from 1) peer pressure from others. And/Or 2) curiosity. Either way, they are stupid to ignore the risks. Or not be aware of the risks. Same with the young people who start smoking cigarettes today. I was a teenager in the late 60's and early 70's - I was subjected to peer pressure, but didn't drink or use drugs, I wasn't curious. My experience of knowing 'druggies' has been in the context of knowing people who are struggling with life. Your experience is clearly different than mine. And I just want to be able to have access to the medication that makes the intense pain in my head go away. Is that too much to ask? I don't want to be held responsible for the people who make bad choices about drug use. That is their responsibility.
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Post by Roberto on Feb 28, 2019 4:31:45 GMT
Roberto That's only potentially true "if" abused. it's not outright bad like hard drugs are. that's the difference. so I would definitely disagree with you on that one, especially the 'by far' part, because say you have some alcohol or some hard drugs... which is worse at this point? ; the hard drugs, obviously. because some alcohol is pretty much harmless when used responsibly where as hard drugs are not harmless.
so trying to paint alcohol is the worst 'by far' is simply not true as it only becomes bad 'if' someone abuses it. hard drugs on the other hand are just outright bad.
p.s. even on a personal harm level... hard drugs will do more harm to ones body than alcohol will as alcohol will only become a real problem if it's really abused where as long as it's not really abused, the hard drugs will definitely be more harmful to ones overall health over the long term. so as long as someone is not going crazy with the alcohol (say something like moderate, or somewhere between moderate-heavy use or so) it's pretty safe to say hard drugs are more harmful to the users health over the long term with stuff like meth and the like. because to kill, or seriously injure, oneself with alcohol you really got to go off on it where as hard drugs it's more of a crap-shoot.
You're not looking at the big picture. You're only taking account damage done to ones self... If people just stay at home and drink themselves to death who gives a crap. That is my least concern. The main problems with alcohol is how popular, acceptable and legal is to use. This is a very dangerous thing. Hard drugs are nowhere near as popular or as easy to get and are illegal. If morons get drunk and then get behind a wheel they can kill innocent people. Hard drug users on the other hand, usually stay at home (or a safe place to do drugs) and are pretty much comatose and will not be leaving the house for a while, let alone getting behind a wheel. Once again you prove just how ignorant you are, in topics even totally unrelated to religion.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 28, 2019 5:10:53 GMT
I don't think most people who start using drugs are searching from an escape from unhappiness. I think most start using drugs from 1) peer pressure from others. And/Or 2) curiosity. Either way, they are stupid to ignore the risks. Or not be aware of the risks. Same with the young people who start smoking cigarettes today. I was a teenager in the late 60's and early 70's - I was subjected to peer pressure, but didn't drink or use drugs, I wasn't curious. My experience of knowing 'druggies' has been in the context of knowing people who are struggling with life. Your experience is clearly different than mine. And I just want to be able to have access to the medication that makes the intense pain in my head go away. Is that too much to ask? I don't want to be held responsible for the people who make bad choices about drug use. That is their responsibility. I agree. Some people start out with legal prescriptions from legitimate doctors for real pain and suffering. And for whatever reason, the prescription goes away. But the pain and suffering is still there. So many times those people turn to the streets for relief. But I don't think most drug addicts start out that way. No, I think drugs should be legalized for the same reasons alcohol and cigarettes are legalized. You should be able to get what you need to deal with your pain and suffering easily and affordably. I think it really sucks every other country in the world has cheaper drugs and medical care than the United States. I understand the drug companies use their massive profits to pay for research and development. But I don't think it is fair the citizens of America are the only ones paying for it.
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Post by Roberto on Feb 28, 2019 10:28:38 GMT
Years ago I used to think they were stupid and couldn't understand why they would do it. As time has gone by I can understand why some people would want to. An escape to the crapness of the world. So I am all for drug use as long as it's done safely and in moderation, and as long as you don't have a family or a child or anyone to look after. If that's the case then they are assholes. You don't need drugs. You just need a better attitude. "Crappiness of the world" ?? . . . Good grief. I feel sorry for you. What are you talking about? I never said I did drugs. I said I understand why people would want to. And yes, "Crappiness of the world". Stop living in ignorance and look out your window. Things are not good these days. Feel sorry for me for what? Being educated? Not being a mindless sheep brainwashed into thinking everything is awesome?
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Post by movieliker on Feb 28, 2019 11:26:40 GMT
You don't need drugs. You just need a better attitude. "Crappiness of the world" ?? . . . Good grief. I feel sorry for you. What are you talking about? I never said I did drugs. I said I understand why people would want to. And yes, "Crappiness of the world". Stop living in ignorance and look out your window. Things are not good these days. Feel sorry for me for what? Being educated? Not being a mindless sheep brainwashed into thinking everything is awesome? When I look out my window, I see a world that is better than it has ever been before. When I study history, I see this world is better than it has ever been before. I feel sorry for you thinking the world is crappy.
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Post by Roberto on Mar 22, 2019 12:26:06 GMT
What are you talking about? I never said I did drugs. I said I understand why people would want to. And yes, "Crappiness of the world". Stop living in ignorance and look out your window. Things are not good these days. Feel sorry for me for what? Being educated? Not being a mindless sheep brainwashed into thinking everything is awesome? When I look out my window, I see a world that is better than it has ever been before. When I study history, I see this world is better than it has ever been before. I feel sorry for you thinking the world is crappy. Look harder. We are on a decline right now. Society is just trying really hard at distracting and/or brainwashing you into thinking it's not.
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