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Post by Carl LaFong on Jul 30, 2018 12:56:53 GMT
Alastair Cook
Sir Leonard Hutton
David Gower
Kevin Pietersen
Joe Root
Sir Ian Botham
Alan Knott (w)
Graeme Swann
Fred Trueman
James Anderson
Bob Willis
Graeme Swann?!! Fack off!
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jul 30, 2018 12:57:44 GMT
That's a bit more like it.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 30, 2018 13:02:22 GMT
Was it general public who voted?
Because Cook as good as he may be is no where near Hobbs and Scutliffe. Is this like ESPN voting where biased Indians voted Sehwag as an all-time great? In this case people are biased to player they have seen recently.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jul 30, 2018 13:21:33 GMT
Was it general public who voted? Because Cook as good as he may be is no where near Hobbs and Scutliffe. Is this like ESPN voting where biased Indians voted Sehwag as an all-time great? In this case people are biased to player they have seen recently. Pretty sure it was the general public. I agree the list is heavily biased to the more recent players. |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jul 30, 2018 13:42:42 GMT
2nd XI:
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jul 30, 2018 13:44:01 GMT
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 30, 2018 13:57:31 GMT
Frank Tyson (also famous as Typhoon Tyson) had bowling averages of 18 in Tests and 20 in First Class. Just Wow! I remember Salter_PT also had something cool to say about him.
England has produced some exceptional cricketers over the years.
Sydney Barnes for whom you can make an argument that he was the greatest bowler of all-time doesn't find himself in any team? His bowling average was 16. That's insane!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 23:55:31 GMT
I know Gower scored a lot of runs but my memory of him is tainted by the disastrous 1989 Ashes.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jul 31, 2018 2:53:13 GMT
Swan, Laker and Underwood were all fair choices for a spinner. As for Cook, like Hutton, longevity has to mean something. All time run scorer and century maker sounds like someone who should be in your all time XI. That being said, Hobbs is a glaring omission. No Compton (Dennis not Nic) Peter May, Ken Barrington (who averaged 56!) Or eve I don't know, the father of cricket WG Grace. Anderson and Truman are fair enough , but no SF Barnes, statistically (even adjusting to modern field values) the greatest bowler in the history of cricket? At least they got the keeper right.
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Post by weststigersbob on Jul 31, 2018 3:53:30 GMT
These sides are always hilarious. The most galling of omissions is Hammond though. He was only denied best player of his generation by a certain someone called Bradman. Joe Root however is in most people’s estimation maybe 5th best in his. (Kohli, Smith, Williamson, ABDV).
Swann is a laugh. I can name 4 spinners since WWII better than Swann of the top of my head. ( Laker, Lock, Underwood, Titmus). All Time - Verity, Peel and Rhodes.
Tyson was extremely fast, but the bloke who always gets overlooked in these things for England is Brain Statham. Incredible record, and a prototype of guys like Malcolm Marshall and Glenn McGrath. Fast Medium, Accurate, a bit of swing, but of seam - not letting batsmen onto the front front.
My Side :
Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hammond
Hutton
Barrington
Botham
WG Grace (c)
Knott (wk)
Verity
Trueman
Statham
Unlucky : Cook, Compton, Gower, Anderson, SF Barnes.
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Post by weststigersbob on Jul 31, 2018 4:07:09 GMT
Swan, Laker and Underwood were all fair choices for a spinner. As for Cook, like Hutton, longevity has to mean something. All time run scorer and century maker sounds like someone who should be in your all time XI. That being said, Hobbs is a glaring omission. No Compton (Dennis not Nic) Peter May, Ken Barrington (who averaged 56!) Or eve I don't know, the father of cricket WG Grace. Anderson and Truman are fair enough , but no SF Barnes, statistically (even adjusting to modern field values) the greatest bowler in the history of cricket? At least they got the keeper right. I went for Hedley Verity. Every thing I’ve read about the bloke makes him the sort of bowler you want in your side. Swann, Cook and Anderson have longevity - they also played a lot of rubbish teams too. Len Hutton and Wally Hammond didn’t play Zimbabwe and Bangladesh too often. Whilst Windies and India weren’t flash, granted - but they played Australia and South Africa often. I flipped on Barrington over Compton. Either/or both great. WG Grace, Hobbs and Sutcliffe HAVE to be there. SF Barnes’ case is growing on me. The interesting thing is that most of his best performances though came in a period when Australia was cannibalising itself and South Africa was very weak (1910-1914) and the war stopped his career. You can only beat the team in front of you though. Was there any other choice for Keeper ? Ames maybe ? |
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Post by WullieFort on Jul 31, 2018 6:54:23 GMT
I think it should be titled
"Best ever England XI, since 1950, or post-war"
Can't believe that Compton, Boycott, Lock, Laker, etc., are overlooked
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 7:11:30 GMT
Gower and Botham are bad nonces... Fox hunting, shooting wrong uns... Both need taking out back and given a good kicking.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jul 31, 2018 15:19:13 GMT
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jul 31, 2018 15:30:10 GMT
Here's another: Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Hammond, Compton, Barrington, Stewart, Greig, Rhodes, Bedser, Tyson, Barnes. www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jul/31/heres-an-england-xi-to-beat-all-time-best-chosen-by-the-ecbs-panel |
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Post by weststigersbob on Jul 31, 2018 15:30:19 GMT
Yet more ‘experts’ picking Root. FFS how ? If I had to list England’s best batsmen, I would have him somewhere around the 20-25 mark. He’d be lucky to make the Top 5 of the last decade. And Bumble Lloyd is a dead set goose. Trescothick ? Really ? |
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