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Post by Skaathar on Aug 9, 2018 16:35:47 GMT
Give Rey a more interesting backstory. Provide a proper explanation why she's so darn strong. Allow her to actually BE a character and have an arc instead of simply making her a placeholder of multiple talents. Stop forcing Poe to look like a jerk. If he's trigger-happy and arrogant that's fine, but at least don't make it look like he's completely clueless about safety protocols and common sense. Drop the Rose/Finn romance. Bring Finn back to the spotlight and don't relegate him to a simple sidekick or comic relief. Kill off Leia. Kill off the porgs. And maybe don't make every male character either a villain, a buffoon or a selfish prick.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 9, 2018 17:49:33 GMT
Make it so Kylo Ren ends up killing everyone in the end. He destroys both the Resistance and First Order and ends both the Jedi and the Sith.
The last scene is him on Tatooine. He aims his lightsaber at his heart and ignites it, killing himself
Thus ending the saga permanently.
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Aug 11, 2018 2:38:41 GMT
Get a decent director to direct it and make it about Lando and Nien trying to bring back Ack THIS!!!!!!!!& |
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Post by _ on Aug 11, 2018 2:43:13 GMT
Get a decent director to direct it and make it about Lando and Nien trying to bring back Ack THIS!!!!!!!!& BRILLIANT! |
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Post by barfholomew on Aug 14, 2018 8:29:20 GMT
Nothing, I haven't even watched TLJ yet because TFA was predictably a bad, pointless and imaginationless remake of ANH courtesy of Jar Jar Abrams.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Sept 5, 2018 22:07:27 GMT
Nah. I'm not a hater of the film so much as what they did to Luke. That can't be undone. I don't really feel any connection to the new characters and I don't feel there's any questions to be answered. I expect part IX to be the final battle and end with Rey fighting Kylo Ren, which just doesn't interest me much. I mean it could have had they built up to it properly over the first two films, but they haven't. They fight in Part 7, Rey wins. Luke spends the whole 8th film teaching Rey the Jedi are failures and the Force isn't about light and dark, she gets a chance to join Kylo and start something new and she doesn't. In the 9th film she'll fight Kylo again and beat him again. It was the classic actors who got me in. I like what they did with Han, hated what they did with Luke. Carrie's dead. Nothing left to care about.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 6, 2018 10:13:58 GMT
Rey essentially defeated Kylo in TFA (twice) and in TLJ.
The only way to go is to have her sacrifice herself for Kylo which turns him. Of course her sacrifice will be undone by her returning in the end.
Mary Sue characters love the tearful sacrifice, quote the Mary Sue from the original A Trekker's Tale (1974)
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Post by azzajones on Sept 8, 2018 23:41:10 GMT
Luke admit he was wrong to go into exile like he did and say something along the lines of "it was very out of character for me, I felt like a totally different person"
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Sept 14, 2018 0:52:36 GMT
Nothing. At this point something totally off-script like Tristan's Journal , Lord Ackbar , or @captaintarpals ideas sound better than anything we are going to get. But we all know that's not going to happen. We are not going to find out how Snoke created the First Order. We are probably not going to find out how Snoke found and seduced Kylo. Or what Kylo and Luke's relationship was. Even if they fix Luke's characterization as a Force ghost, it's still going to be like "what was that Jake Skywalker stuff all about?" It's already been ruined beyond adequate repair. They're going to give us more "MarySue montage". They are just going to give us Reylo and the Seven Dwarfs, and then blitz us with OT nostalgia and rehash. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 26, 2018 20:42:29 GMT
Just curious. What things would Abrams have to promise, and what things would have to be in the trailers in order to restore your faith in Star Wars? Just for the record, I’m not crazy excited about this movie myself, even though I actually didn’t mind TLJ, but that’s mostly because I feel like there aren’t really many other directions to go in. To be clear I am going to see this movie. It's still Star Wars. A bad Star Wars movie is better than most sci-fi movies. However I am less excited about this than I have been for any SW movie, other than maybe Solo (which I didn't hate).
My hopes have been the same since TFA. Answers. Answers to the questions set up in TFA. If you promise a Zig, don't Zag! Zagging is all that TLJ did.
We wanted Rey to be someone, so they turned her into no one. We wanted to find out about Snoke, so they killed him. We wanted to see the Knights of Ren, so they didn't show them or refer to them at all. It looked like Kylo might turn good, but instead he turned worse. We wanted Luke to come back, save the day and kick some ass, so they turned him into a curmudgeonly hermit. He wasn't even what Yoda was to him in ESB!
It's kinda like they went down the line and said "What will the fans want? Instead lets say fuck you and give them the opposite! That'll be artistically cool! Yeah lets do that!"
As far as trailers... I don't think that's going to do it. I think only the movie itself will do the trick at this point. It better be good. But I wouldn't mind seeing the Knights of Ren in cool lightsaber action. That might help. Luke NOT as force ghost, but rather perfectly alive and healthy might be good too, but they'll have to tread carefully to make me accept it at this point.
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Post by alpha128 on Nov 27, 2018 0:17:06 GMT
It's kinda like they went down the line and said "What will the fans want? Instead lets say fuck you and give them the opposite!
It sure seems that way. But they've definitely been saying "fuck you" to fans ever since. First they refused to accept any criticism of the TLJ, no matter how valid. Instead they attacked the fans, calling them every insult in the book. Second, they renewed Kathleen Kennedy's contract for another three years. Kennedy was partly responsible for the content of the TLJ. She also stood by and did nothing while various Lucasfilm representatives, e.g., Rian Johnson, attacked Lucasfilm's customers on-line. You would think they'd realize that attacking their customers is not a viable business strategy, but it so far they haven't. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 28, 2018 1:20:54 GMT
Give me the story that I want. But what is that? |
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Dec 8, 2018 14:43:47 GMT
Have all the leads be white men.
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Post by Power Ranger on Dec 9, 2018 12:38:14 GMT
Have all the leads be white men. I have a question for you. Could a film with a diverse cast possibly be a bad film? |
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Post by Power Ranger on Dec 9, 2018 12:39:53 GMT
Give me the story that I want. But what is that? Something not so horribly written. The characters were so inconsistent. Then there was just terrible humour. |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Dec 9, 2018 18:25:24 GMT
Nothing at all You can't just correct course. The story and the characters are already ruined.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 10, 2018 15:25:44 GMT
Have all the leads be white men. I have a question for you. Could a film with a diverse cast possibly be a bad film? Never mind him. No one can really say anything so outlandishly wrong and be serious. Creped is basically playing a character. I mean look at his icon! |
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Post by Salzmank on Dec 12, 2018 22:11:22 GMT
I wonder what would be the best case scenario for them to do–especially what the people who hated The Last Jedi even more than I did would think is the best thing for them to do for the next flick (I know many of you have written you don’t think it’s redeemable, but if you had to do it, what would you do?).
Three things I would do:
1. Connect Rey with Jyn from Rogue One. I’m not sure how, exactly, but I still really like this idea. Even as aunt and niece (I guess you can’t rework it so that Jyn had a daughter before her death)? It still makes her [Rey] “come from nobodies,” but it makes sense and is a surprise.
2. Rework the twists to have all been pre-thought-out by Han, Luke, and Leia. There’s a way this could be done: make it so that Han knew he was going to his death in The Force Awakens and took on the challenge for the sake of the galaxy. It would somewhat restore the character’s heroism, which he achieved in RotJ, at the end. You could even keep how unexpected it seemed, because he didn’t expect to be killed then. Make Luke’s self-exile and change in character part of the plot to draw out Kylo Ren, knowing about the Force Connection between Kylo and Rey. That’s one of the reasons he smiles at the end of the movie–it’s part of the plan, in a reverse of the Emperor’s “all is going according to plan.” Here the good guys are working behind the scenes. I’m sure I missed something. But basically rework the twists without negating their effectiveness (as Luke’s throwing away the lightsaber did).
3. Redo and explain Snoke’s character, and connect him with the Emperor. I’m not sure how to do this, but there was a part where Luke said that Snoke was corrupting Ren’s mind (hm. Just noticed the similarities between “Rey” and “Ren.” Wonder if that were on purpose). Perhaps he still exists, within Ren’s mind, propelling him to the Dark Side still despite his [Ren’s] turning on him [Snoke]? Hypothetically, he could still be the Emperor, which is the twist I would have wanted.
Of course, there’s no getting around some major problems, but that’s how I’d go about making the next entry–restoring the original heroes’ central place, for example.
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Post by Power Ranger on Dec 15, 2018 21:57:03 GMT
I wonder what would be the best case scenario for them to do–especially what the people who hated The Last Jedi even more than I did would think is the best thing for them to do for the next flick (I know many of you have written you don’t think it’s redeemable, but if you had to do it, what would you do?). Three things I would do: 1. Connect Rey with Jyn from Rogue One. I’m not sure how, exactly, but I still really like this idea. Even as aunt and niece (I guess you can’t rework it so that Jyn had a daughter before her death)? It still makes her [Rey] “come from nobodies,” but it makes sense and is a surprise. 2. Rework the twists to have all been pre-thought-out by Han, Luke, and Leia. There’s a way this could be done: make it so that Han knew he was going to his death in The Force Awakens and took on the challenge for the sake of the galaxy. It would somewhat restore the character’s heroism, which he achieved in RotJ, at the end. You could even keep how unexpected it seemed, because he didn’t expect to be killed then. Make Luke’s self-exile and change in character part of the plot to draw out Kylo Ren, knowing about the Force Connection between Kylo and Rey. That’s one of the reasons he smiles at the end of the movie–it’s part of the plan, in a reverse of the Emperor’s “all is going according to plan.” Here the good guys are working behind the scenes. I’m sure I missed something. But basically rework the twists without negating their effectiveness (as Luke’s throwing away the lightsaber did). 3. Redo and explain Snoke’s character, and connect him with the Emperor. I’m not sure how to do this, but there was a part where Luke said that Snoke was corrupting Ren’s mind (hm. Just noticed the similarities between “Rey” and “Ren.” Wonder if that were on purpose). Perhaps he still exists, within Ren’s mind, propelling him to the Dark Side still despite his [Ren’s] turning on him [Snoke]? Hypothetically, he could still be the Emperor, which is the twist I would have wanted. Of course, there’s no getting around some major problems, but that’s how I’d go about making the next entry–restoring the original heroes’ central place, for example. I think it’s fine that Rey came from nobodies, but I thought it would be interesting if it was revealed that Luke killed her parents. But with TLJ, it looks like nothing interesting came out of that particular mystery box, and gives Rey little in the way of a character arc at all. The only thing TLJ gave was an intro to the idea that Rey would turn bad, but not enough for episode 9 to cover. Episode 7 had a legacy of various mystery boxes, and Episode 8 simply smashed them all. Episode 9 is left with the burden of putting them back together. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 22:31:09 GMT
I wonder what would be the best case scenario for them to do–especially what the people who hated The Last Jedi even more than I did would think is the best thing for them to do for the next flick (I know many of you have written you don’t think it’s redeemable, but if you had to do it, what would you do?). Three things I would do: 1. Connect Rey with Jyn from Rogue One. I’m not sure how, exactly, but I still really like this idea. Even as aunt and niece (I guess you can’t rework it so that Jyn had a daughter before her death)? It still makes her [Rey] “come from nobodies,” but it makes sense and is a surprise. 2. Rework the twists to have all been pre-thought-out by Han, Luke, and Leia. There’s a way this could be done: make it so that Han knew he was going to his death in The Force Awakens and took on the challenge for the sake of the galaxy. It would somewhat restore the character’s heroism, which he achieved in RotJ, at the end. You could even keep how unexpected it seemed, because he didn’t expect to be killed then. Make Luke’s self-exile and change in character part of the plot to draw out Kylo Ren, knowing about the Force Connection between Kylo and Rey. That’s one of the reasons he smiles at the end of the movie–it’s part of the plan, in a reverse of the Emperor’s “all is going according to plan.” Here the good guys are working behind the scenes. I’m sure I missed something. But basically rework the twists without negating their effectiveness (as Luke’s throwing away the lightsaber did). 3. Redo and explain Snoke’s character, and connect him with the Emperor. I’m not sure how to do this, but there was a part where Luke said that Snoke was corrupting Ren’s mind (hm. Just noticed the similarities between “Rey” and “Ren.” Wonder if that were on purpose). Perhaps he still exists, within Ren’s mind, propelling him to the Dark Side still despite his [Ren’s] turning on him [Snoke]? Hypothetically, he could still be the Emperor, which is the twist I would have wanted. Of course, there’s no getting around some major problems, but that’s how I’d go about making the next entry–restoring the original heroes’ central place, for example. I think it’s fine that Rey came from nobodies, but I thought it would be interesting if it was revealed that Luke killed her parents. But with TLJ, it looks like nothing interesting came out of that particular mystery box, and gives Rey little in the way of a character arc at all. The only thing TLJ gave was an intro to the idea that Rey would turn bad, but not enough to cover episode 9 to cover. Episode 7 had a legacy of various mystery boxes, and Episode 8 simply smashed them all. Episode 9 is left with the burden of putting them back together. Smashed all o' those EMPTY boxes. And yousa knows what they'sa say. "Humpty Disney sat on a wall. Humpty Disney had a great fall. All of Abrams mystery boxes, and all his acting friends. Couldn't put Star Wars back together again." |
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