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Post by Vits on Aug 6, 2018 19:41:18 GMT
During the scene of the premiere of BRIDE OF THE MONSTER, the audience creates a riot and it seems like it's about to attack the director and cast. Why? They hadn't seen the movie at this point. Also, why does VAMPIRA go to the premiere? She doesn't even like these people.
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Post by Vits on Aug 9, 2018 18:03:48 GMT
Bump!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 18:17:47 GMT
During the scene of the premiere of BRIDE OF THE MONSTER, the audience creates a riot and it seems like it's about to attack the director and cast. Why? They hadn't seen the movie at this point. Also, why does VAMPIRA go to the premiere? She doesn't even like these people. It's been a long time since I saw it, but I did see it at least once, probably twice. And the only thing I can think to say is? I always felt the movie was a semi surreal vision of how "Ed Wood" would have imagined his own life story. In other words, it's not meant to be a 'factual account', so to speak. It's a strange movie about a strange man who surrounded himself with strange people. It was filmed in the cheesy black and white Wood himself have used. That's a big clue. Depp's portrayal is extremely exaggerated and 'cartoonish'. Which is not to say it isn't based on a real man, who really did some of those things. It's a parody, or maybe even a parody within a parody, trying to get at 'who really was Ed Wood?' It's not meant as 'the literal truth'.
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Post by Vits on Aug 9, 2018 19:06:09 GMT
OK... but the movie still applies real-life logic for the most part. The things I'm asking about don't feel like intentional surrealism.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Aug 9, 2018 19:17:48 GMT
During the scene of the premiere of BRIDE OF THE MONSTER, the audience creates a riot and it seems like it's about to attack the director and cast. Why? They hadn't seen the movie at this point. Also, why does VAMPIRA go to the premiere? She doesn't even like these people. Because it's a movie
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Post by Vits on Aug 10, 2018 16:22:52 GMT
What does that even mean?
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Aug 10, 2018 20:35:55 GMT
What does that even mean? You don't know what a movie is?
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Aug 11, 2018 1:28:44 GMT
What does that even mean? That because it's a movie, things don't have to and aren't ncessarily going to play out how they actually did (even if it's based on fact) or even logically. I only vaguely remember that moment, might be time for a rewatch. Easily my favorite Tim Burton film.
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Post by Vits on Aug 11, 2018 6:17:26 GMT
You don't know what a movie is? That because it's a movie, things don't have to and aren't ncessarily going to play out how they actually did (even if it's based on fact) or even logically. It's not a fantasy movie though. Every other moment in the movie does play out logically and (for the most part) how it actually did.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Aug 11, 2018 6:35:01 GMT
You don't know what a movie is? That because it's a movie, things don't have to and aren't ncessarily going to play out how they actually did (even if it's based on fact) or even logically. It's not a fantasy movie though. Every other moment in the movie does play out logically and (for the most part) how it actually did. Sorry, but I've been an Ed Wood follower for quite a few years. The movie is great, but just plain bullshit. If you want to know the reason for that scene, track down the editor of the movie, and maybe he can give you some insight.
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Post by marianne48 on Aug 11, 2018 11:56:04 GMT
Wood and his entourage arrive very late for the premiere, so the movie audience gets so angry and rowdy waiting for them that they start throwing things, threatening the theater owner, etc. This wasn't an uncommon thing for theater and movie audiences decades ago; vaudeville audiences, for example, would deliberately bring rotten fruit to the theater just to throw at acts they didn't like. In this case, they weren't going wild over the movie itself, but over the fact that they were kept waiting. When Jean Renoir's film The Rules of the Game first premiered in France in 1939, movie audiences were so angered by it that fights and riots broke out in theaters where it was shown. So Wood had something in common with his fellow filmmaker Renoir.
Vampira may not have liked those people, but she wasn't going to pass up a movie premiere; it was probably the closest she would ever get to something that passed for Hollywood glamour. I'm sure there were plenty of people who loathed Harvey Weinstein, too, but they still fawned over him at Hollywood events. That's why they're called showbiz phonies.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Aug 12, 2018 6:58:31 GMT
You don't know what a movie is? That because it's a movie, things don't have to and aren't ncessarily going to play out how they actually did (even if it's based on fact) or even logically. It's not a fantasy movie though. Every other moment in the movie does play out logically and (for the most part) how it actually did. I was just answering your question about what people mean when they say "because it's a movie". I think @mickeeteeze (above) gave a pretty reasonable explanation as to why Burton may have decided to show the scene that way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 9:33:58 GMT
That because it's a movie, things don't have to and aren't ncessarily going to play out how they actually did (even if it's based on fact) or even logically. It's not a fantasy movie though. Every other moment in the movie does play out logically and (for the most part) how it actually did. Thanks, Fox in the SnowIt may not be a 'fantasy movie', per se, but Burton was more interested in trying to 'get inside Edward Wood's head', as opposed to doing a conventional 'biopic'. Quite frankly, I'm glad there are responses to this thread, because it inspired me to 'look into it'. What I found out was? And I honestly never 'knew' this? What I described in my first post is exactly what Burton was trying portray. Here's a quote from Burton which is included in the films Wikipedia page:....and this from Johnnie Depp: Where I missed, though, not entirely, is in the 'parody' word. This is no parody. Just a poor choice of a word. There is a decidedly a 'movie within a movie' thing going on with "Ed Wood". More accurately, the story is told from the 'blindly optimistic' POV Burton feels Ed Wood himself would have used to tell his autobiography, the autobiography in his head. Also, if one were to ask, "if so blindly optimistic, why is there tragedy in the tale?" That's the 'surreal' element I mentioned. The film "Ed Wood" gives us both 'sunny optimism' inherent in the way he approached film making, and the reality being, he wasn't very good at it, at least in terms of major success. Wood's life can indeed be viewed as a tragedy. So? From right out of Burtons mouth, the film is not meant 'literal'. Burton was interested in telling this story because, he saw in Wood, a failed version of himself. While I didn't find any 'thoughts' like this ascribed to Burton, my hunch is? Burton probably believes if a break or two in his own life had gone differently, he could have just as easily had the career of "Ed Wood".
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Post by Vits on Aug 12, 2018 12:38:59 GMT
That's the 'surreal' element I mentioned. The film "Ed Wood" gives us both 'sunny optimism' inherent in the way he approached film making, and the reality being, he wasn't very good at it, at least in terms of major success. Wood's life can indeed be viewed as a tragedy. So? From right out of Burtons mouth, the film is not meant 'literal'. Yeah, I got all that from the movie. It just didn't answer my specific questions. That scene has nothing to do with being overly optimistic to the point of seeing things differently. Luckily, marianne48 gave the right answer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 13:33:13 GMT
That's the 'surreal' element I mentioned. The film "Ed Wood" gives us both 'sunny optimism' inherent in the way he approached film making, and the reality being, he wasn't very good at it, at least in terms of major success. Wood's life can indeed be viewed as a tragedy. So? From right out of Burtons mouth, the film is not meant 'literal'. Yeah, I got all that from the movie. It just didn't answer my specific questions. That scene has nothing to do with being overly optimistic to the point of seeing things differently. Luckily, marianne48 gave the right answer. Fair enough. I guess my take comes down to this: In a stylistic surreal character study, I suppose i don't see inconsistencies in 'peripheral characters behaviors' as 'plot holes', etc. I imagine that particular scene, like most other scenes in the film, is just there to push the overall 'point' of the film. Wouldn't be surprised if it were 90% fiction, or better. Still, interesting film, though. Might have to check that one out again. I do recall, in the theater, it took me the first few minutes or so to realize? This wasn't going to be your standard 3 act drama.
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