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Post by ProjectError on Mar 22, 2017 2:03:16 GMT
"But there's too many human problems to worry about (non-human) animals"
Compassion for animals is the root - the foundation - of all compassion. When we have compassion toward nonhuman animals, compassion toward others will fall right into place. We cannot have compassion for humankind if we do not practice, or understand, compassion for ALL living beings. It's like driving a car without tires. It doesn't work. We need the tires to go.
Not acknowledging the rights of nonhuman animals, while respecting the rights of human animals, makes use of a moral hierarchy that suggests certain bodies are more valuable than others, subsequently suggesting that the plight of certain groups are more important or significant than others. To value human animals as superior to other animals makes one a speciesist; it's no different than being racist, sexist, or ableist.
The reality is this: people of color, women, people with disabilities, the LGBTQIA+ community, etc. have it pretty bad. And animals also have it the worst, especially those assumed to be useful only insofar as they are consumed, whether as flesh or dairy. Want to talk about systemic oppression? No group suffers more from it than that of the nonhuman animal.
"Racism" still exists today. Even so, if a celebrity tape is released where s/he says something racist, s/he risks the end of his career. One of the worst things to be is an admitted racist: it could destroy one's career and be detrimental to how the public perceives them thenceforth. Yet speciesism, not only does it exist, obviously, it is widely accepted among the masses.
“I could never give up meat” or “I could never go vegan because I love cheese too much.”
While cheese and hamburgers might taste great to you, this script deflects from the systemic reality that non-human animals are tortured, slaughtered, and raped so that we can eat to satisfy our addictions to taste. Monkey brains and Human flesh would also taste great, if humans had eaten it traditionally for millennia. It's subjective and acquired. No animal was "meant" nor "created" to be eaten by humans. Apathy towards violence should never be fostered.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 22, 2017 2:10:54 GMT
If I have to give up bacon for peace then I say.... LET THERE BE WAR!!!!
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Post by yezziqa on Mar 22, 2017 2:49:49 GMT
I always find it so interesting that vegans don't care one bit about the wild animals. I do, that is why I eat meat. Why aren't they worthy of your compassion?
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Post by progressiveelement on Mar 22, 2017 2:52:47 GMT
"But there's too many human problems to worry about (non-human) animals" Compassion for animals is the root - the foundation - of all compassion. When we have compassion toward nonhuman animals, compassion toward others will fall right into place. We cannot have compassion for humankind if we do not practice, or understand, compassion for ALL living beings. It's like driving a car without tires. It doesn't work. We need the tires to go. Not acknowledging the rights of nonhuman animals, while respecting the rights of human animals, makes use of a moral hierarchy that suggests certain bodies are more valuable than others, subsequently suggesting that the plight of certain groups are more important or significant than others. To value human animals as superior to other animals makes one a speciesist; it's no different than being racist, sexist, or ableist. The reality is this: people of color, women, people with disabilities, the LGBTQIA+ community, etc. have it pretty bad. And animals also have it the worst, especially those assumed to be useful only insofar as they are consumed, whether as flesh or dairy. Want to talk about systemic oppression? No group suffers more from it than that of the nonhuman animal. "Racism" still exists today. Even so, if a celebrity tape is released where s/he says something racist, s/he risks the end of his career. One of the worst things to be is an admitted racist: it could destroy one's career and be detrimental to how the public perceives them thenceforth. Yet speciesism, not only does it exist, obviously, it is widely accepted among the masses. “I could never give up meat” or “I could never go vegan because I love cheese too much.” While cheese and hamburgers might taste great to you, this script deflects from the systemic reality that non-human animals are tortured, slaughtered, and raped so that we can eat to satisfy our addictions to taste. Monkey brains and Human flesh would also taste great, if humans had eaten it traditionally for millennia. It's subjective and acquired. No animal was "meant" nor "created" to be eaten by humans. Apathy towards violence should never be fostered. I'd rather save animals than people. I'd still eat them though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 2:58:12 GMT
Life feeds on life!
No matter what you do as a human being you will cause the death of animals! You have said before you drive a car, you're killing lots of insects by doing that! They're going SPLAT on your windshield!
It may be ugly but that's nature for you! No one ever said nature was kind!
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Post by Catman on Mar 22, 2017 3:01:31 GMT
Whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 3:29:56 GMT
There would be crime and violence in a vegan world too
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Post by maya55555 on Mar 22, 2017 5:20:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 5:38:47 GMT
True that. Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian and non drinker.
India has a high level of vegetarianism and veganism. They also have high levels of crime and violence.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 6:18:52 GMT
@senseoffender He was still a vegetarian. To think the world's problems can be solved by vegetables is naive, don't you think?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 6:24:10 GMT
Pol Pot and Charles Manson were also vegetarians.
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Post by phludowin on Mar 22, 2017 6:39:09 GMT
ProjectError : Tell that to carnivorous animals. Or better: To hungry carnivorous animals.
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Post by vernuf on Mar 22, 2017 18:47:10 GMT
Fuck you.
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Post by johnblutarsky on Mar 22, 2017 19:01:36 GMT
I don't know. If I had to exclusively eat vegan food, I would turn violent.
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Post by ProjectError on Mar 22, 2017 23:00:13 GMT
I always find it so interesting that vegans don't care one bit about the wild animals. I do, that is why I eat meat. Why aren't they worthy of your compassion? There are many reasons for this, including the theory that the human body wasn't designed to eat flesh at all. After all, unlike wild carnivores, humans lack the ability to kill a prey by only using their teeth, but more, they would get sick if they digest it uncooked. But I'll stick with this: Two wrongs don't make a right. One necessary "evil" doesn't excuse the acceptance and participation of another. Humans have a choice. More, meat isn't necessary for health as it is for the lion; in fact, quite the contrary, a vegan diet is healthier for humans. Humans are also the only animal to purchase their meat in a market after it's already been dead for several weeks. The idea that we our flesh needs to go to such drastic remedies for our consumption is a red flag in itself. But anyway, it's not necessary for health, which by definition makes it gluttonous, and an unnecessary torture and killing.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Mar 22, 2017 23:14:52 GMT
I always find it so interesting that vegans don't care one bit about the wild animals. I do, that is why I eat meat. Why aren't they worthy of your compassion? There are many reasons for this, including the theory that the human body wasn't designed to eat flesh at all. After all, unlike wild carnivores, humans lack the ability to kill a prey by only using their teeth, but more, they would get sick if they digest it uncooked. But I'll stick with this: Two wrongs don't make a right. One necessary "evil" doesn't excuse the acceptance and participation of another. Humans have a choice. More, meat isn't necessary for health as it is for the lion; in fact, quite the contrary, a vegan diet is healthier for humans. Humans are also the only animal to purchase their meat in a market after it's already been dead for several weeks. The idea that we our flesh needs to go to such drastic remedies for our consumption is a red flag in itself. But anyway, it's not necessary for health, which by definition makes it gluttonous, and an unnecessary torture and killing. 1) The human body wasn't designed - we evolved as an omnivorous species. 2) You haven't established that there is anything evil about meat-eating. You've simply asserted it with no evidence whatsoever. Assertions are not facts. 3) What does necessity have to do with anything? 4) How we acquire meat, or any food since most humans acquire their vegetables in the same manner as they acquire their meat, is entirely irrelevant. The same argument works the other way, eating vegetables and fruits is wrong since most people buy them in a store instead of gathering them for themselves. 5) Do you have anything to actually support your position instead of nothing but rambling and repeated opinions?
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