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Post by scabab on Aug 9, 2018 15:48:39 GMT
Disney bullied the Academy into creating a new category for MCU. That didn't happen.
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Post by scabab on Aug 10, 2018 2:40:59 GMT
Well...actually they probably did. Disney owns Marvel. Disney owns ABC. ABC airs the Oscars. Ratings have been spiraling. It's hardly a conspiracy. They're not even hiding it. They've created a category for the most popular film. Lol what was the most popular film this year? It's an award for the best popular film not the most popular and at the moment Mission Impossible is a definite front runner for it considering it has a 97%.
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Post by darkpast on Aug 10, 2018 2:57:14 GMT
Well...actually they probably did. Disney owns Marvel. Disney owns ABC. ABC airs the Oscars. Ratings have been spiraling. It's hardly a conspiracy. They're not even hiding it. They've created a category for the most popular film. Lol what was the most popular film this year? It's an award for the best popular film not the most popular and at the moment Mission Impossible is a definite front runner for it considering it has a 97%. BP is the front runner, but if Affinity War gets nominated, it could split the Marvel vote, allowing some other film to sneak in
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 10, 2018 3:30:36 GMT
I think this is just the Academy looking for a way to nominate films like Black Panther and Wonder Woman without actually honoring them as legitimate art. It just seems so phony to me. ^^^THIS EXACTLY!!!^^^ 100%
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 10, 2018 3:35:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 22:17:37 GMT
There are 2 rules for the new category: 1. There will be only 2 or 3 movies nominated each year. 2. Each movie nominated for this category must be an MCU movie. This award was created for MCU movies after Disney bullied the Academy into creating this award so MCU, which has made 20 awful movies and hasn't come anywhere close to getting a non-technical Oscar, can finally say that they got a non-technical Oscar. So to make sure that MCU wins this category, the Academy is only going to nominate MCU movies for this category. It's difficult not to. The Black Panther cast and crew were all over last year's academy awards even though (to my recollection) they weren't nominated for anything.
I'd like the believe Black Panther was the second of two big wake up calls, the first being The Dark Knight. People just don't want and won't seem to allow that caliber and genre of movies to pierce the Oscars. Like it's beneath them. There's still a large contingency of people who look at best picture material and think only How Green was my Valley and On the Waterfront. For the most part I do take the Oscars seriously, and it seems like they've taken some of their recent criticism to good use, but they could still use work.
There's something about a popular movie award as the Oscars that reads like a participation trophy though. I don't know about these 20 awful movies though. While I think DC's done a poor job strictly on their last few movies (attempts at a DCEU) I don't see any reason why you can't like both. The DC animated movies (in my opinion) are still pretty good. In practical terms, I think the 3 most recent DC movies (the Dark Knight trilogy) were so solid that the following DC movies couldn't live up to them. I've my doubts about the direction they took The Dark Knight Rises, but they're well done films and by the time the DCEU and Ben Affleck rolled around I think people had their fill. I didn't even feel like getting into Gotham the TV show because it was too soon after The Dark Knight Rises.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Aug 15, 2018 0:24:20 GMT
There are 2 rules for the new category: 1. There will be only 2 or 3 movies nominated each year. 2. Each movie nominated for this category must be an MCU movie. This award was created for MCU movies after Disney bullied the Academy into creating this award so MCU, which has made 20 awful movies and hasn't come anywhere close to getting a non-technical Oscar, can finally say that they got a non-technical Oscar. So to make sure that MCU wins this category, the Academy is only going to nominate MCU movies for this category. Come on now, the only thing we know as a fact is that Wonder Woman would never have won it.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 15, 2018 0:55:21 GMT
Well...actually they probably did. Disney owns Marvel. Disney owns ABC. ABC airs the Oscars. Ratings have been spiraling. It's hardly a conspiracy. They're not even hiding it. They've created a category for the most popular film. Lol what was the most popular film this year? Boom. Man, I really hope the entire planet collectively wakes up one day in a year or two from now and just cathartically cringes all at once the world over at how FUCKING UNBELIEVABLY EMBARRASSING everybody has behaved regarding this movie, with the notable exception of myself of course and handful of other brave guys in this thread, like yourself and DC-Fan. I mean. The very idea of people of privilege choosing to buy impoverished children tickets to a fucking movie and popcorn and then bragging about it on social media when the same $50 could feed them for a week while those same people's lavish lifestyle is indirectly the reason those kids don't have money to go to the movies is so god damn oblivious as to make me sick. Then the guilty, ashamed old white men running the Academy INVENTED A NEW CATEGORY JUST TO GIVE THIS TURD ITS OSCAR MOMENT? Good grief... ETA: And then the movie is a mediocre piece of shit on top of everything else!
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Post by damngumby on Aug 15, 2018 1:29:58 GMT
Wait a minute ... are there really people who think the “artistic integrity” of the Acadamy Awards is in peril with this move? ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/tek3suwt5/laugh.gif) I can see why MCU haters are practically crapping themselves over the prospect of a most popular movie category. The MCU makes very popular movies and would be a top contender most years. Recognition for making movies that audiences like. The horror! We don’t need another embarrassing episode when some superhero fans pinned all their hopes a dreams on a Best Picture nomination for Wonder Woman and then it got nominated for nothing. Not even in the best catered lunch catagory. Don’t laugh. It really happened!
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 15, 2018 1:46:34 GMT
very popular movies and would be a top contender most years. Recognition for making movies that audiences like. The horror! The Oscars shouldn't be turned into the People's Choice Awards or MTV Awards.
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 15, 2018 2:24:45 GMT
I still don't know which side I'm on. Is the Academy trying to get more popular movies an oscar or are they trying to protect their sacred top oscars from popular movies. I kind of think both. They get the best of both worlds. Maybe an uptic in ratings because "Look we like popular movies TOO!" and "We don't have to slum with Popular Blockbusters ever again if we create new award"
Either way the Oscars have been irrelevant to me for long time. I think it's been a decade since I've actually watched any part of the ceremonies. The same with Emmys, Golden Globes, and Grammys. I don't need the Academy to tell me what is good. (Along with Critics, IMDB users, Box Office and the like. I like tracking those things because I'm a numbers type of guy. Stats are one of the reasons I love baseball.) The last award show I've watched was the Espys 2 years ago.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 15, 2018 2:32:45 GMT
Is the Academy trying to get more popular movies an oscar or are they trying to protect their sacred top oscars from popular movies. It's not the Academy. It's Disney. Disney bullied the Academy into creating this new category because Disney is trying to get non-technical Oscars for MCU, which after 20 movies still hasn't had a nomination for a non-technical Oscar.
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 15, 2018 2:36:12 GMT
Is the Academy trying to get more popular movies an oscar or are they trying to protect their sacred top oscars from popular movies. It's not the Academy. It's Disney. Disney bullied the Academy into creating this new category because Disney is trying to get non-technical Oscars for MCU, which after 20 movies still hasn't had a nomination for a non-technical Oscar. I'm going to need a citation for that. One member of the controlling body saying Disney bullied them. A leaked document. Anything. Your opinion just doesn't do it for me.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 15, 2018 3:54:19 GMT
It's not the Academy. It's Disney. Disney bullied the Academy into creating this new category because Disney is trying to get non-technical Oscars for MCU, which after 20 movies still hasn't had a nomination for a non-technical Oscar. I'm going to need a citation for that. One member of the controlling body saying Disney bullied them. A leaked document. Anything. Your opinion just doesn't do it for me. How ABC Pushed Film Academy to Overhaul Oscars
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 15, 2018 4:22:46 GMT
Fair enough they pressed them to shorten, move the date and create the category. Those are all facts presented in the article. Now show me the evidence that their intent was to create, " this new category because Disney is trying to get non-technical Oscars for MCU, which after 20 movies still hasn't had a nomination for a non-technical Oscar." And not the stated reason in the article ratings "Disney-ABC executives had for years pressed the Academy to impose changes that would shorten the Oscar telecast and incorporate more widely recognized films... Academy officials acknowledged that the ratings situation was dire." Which effects ABC bottom line because "Disney-ABC had set a long-term pact with the Academy to broadcast the Oscars through 2028 — long past the point where anyone can predict what linear-television consumption will look like. Then the ratings fell off a cliff... 39% drop from the show’s recent peak in 2014. " No ratings means harder to get commercial sponsorship. The Oscars was supposed to be one of ABC's big rating events "The Oscars telecast is the biggest piece of event programming for the Alphabet — the only one of the Big Four broadcasters without an NFL package, and thus lacking the boost that its competitors get from television’s most powerful driver of live viewing." Looks like the driving force is ratings which = money. They want to get viewership up over all, but mostly in the 18-34 demo as it, "was down 29% from 2017 and 56% from 2014." As blockbusters are skewed toward that demographic it would make sense they would want that category. Also shortening the ceremony with edited speeches shot during commercial breaks also skews for the younger crowds consumption. So your conspiracy theory about ABC-Disney driving for the MCU to get a non-technical Oscar is just that. Any evidence to bolster your Non-Technical Oscar Claim? Instead of inventing a motivation out of thin air, why not take the damning motivation that is obvious. Greed. I mean it's not as sexy as a Conspiracy Theory, but Greed does have teeth.
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Post by Caesium137 on Aug 15, 2018 9:16:14 GMT
It doesn't take a genius to figure out. ABC pushes for the Academy to change their formatting including introducing a new popular movie category to improve ratings. ABC is owned by Disney. Disney control the most popular movies coming out today. The MCU set of movies are the most popular amongst wide releases. Hence Disney want non-technical Oscars to go to their properties to increase viewership. Its a double pronged approach that needs to be looked at holistically. If Black Panther won this award, the viewership and buzz would be huge. Disney get double the rewards, high ratings for ABC and the licence to herald one of its movies an Oscar winner. It is bullying.
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Post by dazz on Aug 15, 2018 10:59:43 GMT
It doesn't take a genius to figure out. ABC pushes for the Academy to change their formatting including introducing a new popular movie category to improve ratings. ABC is owned by Disney. Disney control the most popular movies coming out today. The MCU set of movies are the most popular amongst wide releases. Hence Disney want non-technical Oscars to go to their properties to increase viewership. Its a double pronged approach that needs to be looked at holistically. If Black Panther won this award, the viewership and buzz would be huge. Disney get double the rewards, high ratings for ABC and the licence to herald one of its movies an Oscar winner. It is bullying. Except what gain does an Oscar grant them? I mean did the Oscar that the DCEU won bolster their movies the next year? not really I mean Suicide Squad, the Oscar winning Suicide Squad might I add, if you factor in what the average DCEU film does in China would have made had they got a Chinese release it would have made the same as Wonder Woman, so the Oscars didn't bolster that film, Suicide Squad also widely hated whilst WW widely beloved, and then despite in the same calender year winning an Oscar, turning out a critically beloved film which saw the lead hen star in the studios next film in Justice League, JL bombed, strangely academy awards and mass critical appeal didn't help DC's box office going forward...weird.
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Post by damngumby on Aug 15, 2018 11:04:25 GMT
Is the Academy trying to get more popular movies an oscar or are they trying to protect their sacred top oscars from popular movies. It's not the Academy. It's Disney. Disney bullied the Academy into creating this new category because Disney is trying to get non-technical Oscars for MCU, which after 20 movies still hasn't had a nomination for a non-technical Oscar. Proposing a Best Blockbuster catagory is not “bullying”, snowflake. ABC was already locked into a 10 year deal to televise the Oscars and the desire to improve their ratings was obviously shared by the Acadamy. It is pretty funny how you admit that the MCU makes the best blockbusters and a Best Blockbuster Award would probably go to a MCU film ... and that you have so little faith in the upcoming Aquaman movie by DC.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 16, 2018 2:44:48 GMT
It's not the Academy. It's Disney. Disney bullied the Academy into creating this new category because Disney is trying to get non-technical Oscars for MCU, which after 20 movies still hasn't had a nomination for a non-technical Oscar. Proposing a Best Blockbuster catagory is not “bullying”, snowflake. ABC was already locked into a 10 year deal to televise the Oscars and the desire to improve their ratings was obviously shared by the Acadamy. It is pretty funny how you admit that the MCU makes the best blockbusters and a Best Blockbuster Award would probably go to a MCU film ... and that you have so little faith in the upcoming Aquaman movie by DC. It isn't the Best Blockbuster Award. It's the Disney's Most Popular Movie Award. That's why only MCU movies will be given that award and no DC movies will be given that award.
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 16, 2018 3:42:41 GMT
Proposing a Best Blockbuster catagory is not “bullying”, snowflake. ABC was already locked into a 10 year deal to televise the Oscars and the desire to improve their ratings was obviously shared by the Acadamy. It is pretty funny how you admit that the MCU makes the best blockbusters and a Best Blockbuster Award would probably go to a MCU film ... and that you have so little faith in the upcoming Aquaman movie by DC. It isn't the Best Blockbuster Award. It's the Disney's Most Popular Movie Award. That's why only MCU movies will be given that award and no DC movies will be given that award. So I guess Disney is going to bribe the 7000+ members of the Academy to vote for Marvel Studios movies? Or maybe they Bullied the Board of Governors to solely base it off of Box Office/Number of Tickets sold? Which wouldn't guarantee a MCU win, but with current trends of Marvel Studios movies making money and their sequels beating the previous movie puts them in contention more than most. I know they Bullied the Board of Governors to institute a secret society of the 5 wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually in a secret country mansion in Colorado known as The Meadows. The Pentavirate have to choose which Disney movie to give the award too. The point I'm making is we don't even know the specifics of how the award will be given. Most likely will be voted on by the Academy Members. If that's the case then there will have to be a conspiracy to make what you say be true.
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