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Post by kanekikun on Aug 9, 2018 19:34:24 GMT
I'll always be a fan of Sam's first 2, but he gypped us out of having Spiderman as a kid. We got 1/2 a movie with him in highschool. I kind of like to see Spiderman deal with highschool more than an 1 hours or 2 hours on film (TASM he graduated in second so we got 2hrs). I remember High School being angsty, cruel, fun, stressful, and emotion filled. College was a breeze comparatively and so was young adulthood. I'd like to see that pressure + the pressure of being a hero more. The pressure changes in College and Adulthood, but I'd like to see more of the sharp pressure High School can bring. (The pressure doesn't actually change much it's how we interpret it. As a kid everything is more focused and seems bigger I suppose Spiderman 1 only glossed over the pressure at high school whereas Spiderman 2 fully went into the difficulties of handling adult life with responsanilties of keeping a job, paying rent, reading physics at university and on top of that being a superhero. I guess it comes down to personal preference and life experience on which time period one finds most demanding. Even though I was a kid when I first watched SP2, i still felt more sympathetic with young adult Peters problem compared to his hardships in high school in Homecoming. a lot of peters problems in the second movie were more because he was bad at telling the right lies about stuff. he lies about being spiderman but he can't tell mj he got beat up or mugged on his way to her play and fumbles it, its fake.
and it had plenty of contrived stuff in it, really contrived stuff.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 9, 2018 19:38:09 GMT
I suppose Spiderman 1 only glossed over the pressure at high school whereas Spiderman 2 fully went into the difficulties of handling adult life with responsanilties of keeping a job, paying rent, reading physics at university and on top of that being a superhero. I guess it comes down to personal preference and life experience on which time period one finds most demanding. Even though I was a kid when I first watched SP2, i still felt more sympathetic with young adult Peters problem compared to his hardships in high school in Homecoming. a lot of peters problems in the second movie were more because he was bad at telling the right lies about stuff. he lies about being spiderman but he can't tell mj he got beat up or mugged on his way to her play and fumbles it, its fake.
and it had plenty of contrived stuff in it, really contrived stuff.
What contrived stuff. Name one example |
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Post by kanekikun on Aug 9, 2018 19:44:13 GMT
a lot of peters problems in the second movie were more because he was bad at telling the right lies about stuff. he lies about being spiderman but he can't tell mj he got beat up or mugged on his way to her play and fumbles it, its fake.
and it had plenty of contrived stuff in it, really contrived stuff.
What contrived stuff. Name one example mj getting engaged to john jameson out of all men, dr ocks tentacles controlling his mind, no one wondering why someone would order just the right stuff needed to make another sun machine and track it, peter not giving better excuses for why hes late, ock agreeing to get spiderman for harry instead of just torturing harry for the mineral stuff, ocks tentacles getting fried just at the right time so ock can be good again, a sun machine being stopped because he threw it in the water, and no one caring about how awful it was mj ran away from john at their wedding when he didn't deserve it. |
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Post by summers8 on Aug 9, 2018 19:46:00 GMT
High school musical works for high school musical.
not much for spiderman.
the movie is too much of a kids movie. generic story, generic character, generic plot. too basic.
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Post by summers8 on Aug 9, 2018 19:47:10 GMT
I didn't think it was that great. It's mostly a SJW appeasing film anyway. I'm not sure what the obsession with having Peter in high school is. They've done this every movie and there's really no point. He's been out of high school for decades in the comics. tony stark is now uncle ben? enough said...
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Post by kanekikun on Aug 9, 2018 19:48:20 GMT
High school musical works for high school musical. not much for spiderman. the movie is too much of a kids movie. generic story, generic character, generic plot. too basic. no, it was just making up for how raimi wasted the high school potential for spiderman.
what is high school musical about homecoming, really i want you to list it.
the characters were no more generic than raimi, the story no more generic than the first raimi movie, the plot was BETTER than raimis first movie.
you just hate the mcu for being more popular than raimi.
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Post by kanekikun on Aug 9, 2018 19:48:42 GMT
I didn't think it was that great. It's mostly a SJW appeasing film anyway. I'm not sure what the obsession with having Peter in high school is. They've done this every movie and there's really no point. He's been out of high school for decades in the comics. tony stark is now uncle ben? enough said...
in the comics tony has served as a mentor figure to spidey. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 9, 2018 21:01:28 GMT
I'll always be a fan of Sam's first 2, but he gypped us out of having Spiderman as a kid. We got 1/2 a movie with him in highschool. I kind of like to see Spiderman deal with highschool more than an 1 hours or 2 hours on film (TASM he graduated in second so we got 2hrs). I remember High School being angsty, cruel, fun, stressful, and emotion filled. College was a breeze comparatively and so was young adulthood. I'd like to see that pressure + the pressure of being a hero more. The pressure changes in College and Adulthood, but I'd like to see more of the sharp pressure High School can bring. (The pressure doesn't actually change much it's how we interpret it. As a kid everything is more focused and seems bigger I suppose Spiderman 1 only glossed over the pressure at high school whereas Spiderman 2 fully went into the difficulties of handling adult life with responsanilties of keeping a job, paying rent, reading physics at university and on top of that being a superhero. I guess it comes down to personal preference and life experience on which time period one finds most demanding. Even though I was a kid when I first watched SP2, i still felt more sympathetic with young adult Peters problem compared to his hardships in high school in Homecoming. Oh totally. High School for me wasn't terrible, but everything was amped up. In college and past college everything got easier for me. So I would be more sympathetic to High School Spiderman's problems. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 9, 2018 21:35:51 GMT
it's memorable for focusing on the high school stuff instead of wasting it like raimi did. Even ASM ignored a lot of it. I dunno why everyone keeps saying stuff about sjw though, it wouldn't make sense for a school in nyc to be all white kids. Spiderman 1 already dealt with the high school stuff better with a more believable bully in flash Yep. The Flash Thompson in SMH is the most unbelievable bully ever in a high school movie. George McFly in BTTF looked tougher than Flash Thompson in SMH. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 9, 2018 21:41:19 GMT
I'm not making it up. It happened in the movie. I didn't mis-remember. Peter stole from his community in SMH. He got to far in and now has to be vague when asked directly. No, I've been busy and haven't had time to explain it to you MCU fans in detail yet. But if you MCU fans did watch SMH multiple times, then you should've already seen it. I only watched SMH once and saw it clear as day. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 9, 2018 21:47:32 GMT
Michael Keaton's performance was memorable as was the fairy boat rescue scene The fairy boat rescue scene was a really lame scene. The boat is split in half and Iron Man just pushes the two split halves together. Yeah, like that's really going to stop the boat from sinking! Fucking lame! with the assist from Iron Man (a first for a solo Spider-Man film) So it wasn't a solo Spider-Man movie. It was an Iron Man movie with a cameo by Spider-Man. It was an Iron Man movie where Tony Stark appears at the beginning, middle, and end of the movie. It was an Iron Man movie where Iron Man saves Spider-Man's ass not once but twice. Spidey's high tech suit and some of it's features brought something new to the character Again, an Iron Man movie where Spider-Man doesn't even have any Spider-Sense (Which is why he got ambushed by a bad guy after he ditched Liz at the Homecoming Dance and needed Ned to save his ass) and needs to rely on AI suits given to him by Iron Man, which effectively turned Spider-Man in War Machine 2.0. |
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Post by bud47 on Aug 9, 2018 21:52:02 GMT
Spiderman 1 already dealt with the high school stuff better with a more believable bully in flash Yep. The Flash Thompson in SMH is the most unbelievable bully ever in a high school movie. George McFly in BTTF looked tougher than Flash Thompson in SMH. I wasn't a fan of the new Flash Thompson or some of the other decisions they made in the film either. But I get why they did it. If Marvel was getting first crack at this character on the big screen, I'm sure they would have made something more faithful to the source material. The problem is that we've had 5 other films. Can't keep doing the same thing over and over again. Best thing is just to make peace with it and move on. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 21:55:17 GMT
While not as memorable as Raimi's first two movies I think it was good enough to get the general audience excited about Spidey again. It was still better than Spider man 3 and both ASM movies.
I say it was a good but not the best Spider man movie and it wasn't even the best MCU movie. I rank it as number 13 amongst the other 20 MCU movies.
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Post by bud47 on Aug 9, 2018 21:59:48 GMT
Michael Keaton's performance was memorable as was the fairy boat rescue scene The fairy boat rescue scene was a really lame scene. The boat is split in half and Iron Man just pushes the two split halves together. Yeah, like that's really going to stop the boat from sinking! Fucking lame! with the assist from Iron Man (a first for a solo Spider-Man film) So it wasn't a solo Spider-Man movie. It was an Iron Man movie with a cameo by Spider-Man. It was an Iron Man movie where Tony Stark appears at the beginning, middle, and end of the movie. It was an Iron Man movie where Iron Man saves Spider-Man's ass not once but twice. Spidey's high tech suit and some of it's features brought something new to the character Again, an Iron Man movie where Spider-Man doesn't even have any Spider-Sense (Which is why he got ambushed by a bad guy after he ditched Liz at the Homecoming Dance and needed Ned to save his ass) and needs to rely on AI suits given to him by Iron Man, which effectively turned Spider-Man in War Machine 2.0. I have a feeling a lot of this has already been explained to from other users here and you're just looking to start another argument, so I'm going to refrain a little. It's a comic book movie. No need to over-analyze things. It was still cool seeing the two work together. Yes, that's right. It was an Iron Man movie. I think Spider-Man was in one or two scenes... I'm pretty sure he has his spider-sense. The A.I. suit brought something new to the character which we haven't seen before. They're making these changes to differentiate this version of the character from past versions. Accept it or just watch the older films. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 9, 2018 22:00:20 GMT
What gives the original Spider-Man movies the advantage is that they were better-written and better overall movies than SMH. The scene in the first Spider-Man movie when Spider-Man catches up to the thief who killed Uncle Ben in the warehouse and sees his face and realizes that it's the same guy he let get away earlier was just a really powerful scene. SMH has nothing close to that. SMH is the worst movie adaptation of Spider-Man ever. SMH turned Peter into a show-off whose only motivation for being a hero was to impress Tony Stark. And on top of that, SMH made Peter a thief who stole from his community. the first spidey movie had spidey just let the guy die when he fell down. the real spidey would have still tried to save him. homecoming spidey wouldn't kill a guy like raimi spidey did.
raimi got it wrong right from the start when he had that line about how the story was about a girl. spider-man was always about peter and no one else.
They actually show him saving guys that got knocked off the boat (something they added to the PS4 game). |
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 9, 2018 22:06:30 GMT
The fairy boat rescue scene was a really lame scene. The boat is split in half and Iron Man just pushes the two split halves together. Yeah, like that's really going to stop the boat from sinking! Fucking lame! So it wasn't a solo Spider-Man movie. It was an Iron Man movie with a cameo by Spider-Man. It was an Iron Man movie where Tony Stark appears at the beginning, middle, and end of the movie. It was an Iron Man movie where Iron Man saves Spider-Man's ass not once but twice. Again, an Iron Man movie where Spider-Man doesn't even have any Spider-Sense (Which is why he got ambushed by a bad guy after he ditched Liz at the Homecoming Dance and needed Ned to save his ass) and needs to rely on AI suits given to him by Iron Man, which effectively turned Spider-Man in War Machine 2.0. I'm pretty sure he has his spider-sense. Yeah, that's why after he ditched Liz at the Homecoming Dance and ran outside, he got ambushed by a bad guy and needed Ned to save his ass. That "Spider-Sense" sure came in handy for that ambush! The A.I. suit brought something new to the character which we haven't seen before. We've already seen the AI suit used. Some guy named War Machine used it. So Spider-Man was basically War Machine 2.0. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 9, 2018 22:14:08 GMT
I'm pretty sure he has his spider-sense. Yeah, that's why after he ditched Liz at the Homecoming Dance and ran outside, he got ambushed by a bad guy and needed Ned to save his ass. That "Spider-Sense" sure came in handy for that ambush! The A.I. suit brought something new to the character which we haven't seen before. We've already seen the AI suit used. Some guy named War Machine used it. So Spider-Man was basically War Machine 2.0. War Machine doesn't have an AI.
We've also seen him use his spider sense to dodge things coming at him in Homecoming. You do know that Spider-man does get hit in the comics, right? |
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 9, 2018 22:19:20 GMT
I'm not making it up. It happened in the movie. I didn't mis-remember. Peter stole from his community in SMH. He got to far in and now has to be vague when asked directly. No, I've been busy and haven't had time to explain it to you MCU fans in detail yet. But if you MCU fans did watch SMH multiple times, then you should've already seen it. I only watched SMH once and saw it clear as day. Time to explain it? How hard is it to say it happened in this scene. Let me show you how simple it is. I'm the one who reminded you he stole Flash's car. so... After the fight with Shocker in the bus parking lot Spidey steals Flash's car to chase down Vulture. took 3 secs and explained it fully. So what scene in Homecoming does Peter steal money? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 10, 2018 3:49:56 GMT
I'm not making it up. It happened in the movie. I didn't mis-remember. Peter stole from his community in SMH. No, I've been busy and haven't had time to explain it to you MCU fans in detail yet. But if you MCU fans did watch SMH multiple times, then you should've already seen it. I only watched SMH once and saw it clear as day. Time to explain it? How hard is it to say it happened in this scene. MCU fans are often slow at getting things so I have to spell it out for them. That's going to take some time. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 10, 2018 4:13:45 GMT
I'll always be a fan of Sam's first 2, but he gypped us out of having Spiderman as a kid. We got 1/2 a movie with him in highschool. I kind of like to see Spiderman deal with highschool more than an 1 hours or 2 hours on film (TASM he graduated in second so we got 2hrs). I remember High School being angsty, cruel, fun, stressful, and emotion filled. College was a breeze comparatively and so was young adulthood. I'd like to see that pressure + the pressure of being a hero more. The pressure changes in College and Adulthood, but I'd like to see more of the sharp pressure High School can bring. (The pressure doesn't actually change much it's how we interpret it. As a kid everything is more focused and seems bigger I suppose Spiderman 1 only glossed over the pressure at high school whereas Spiderman 2 fully went into the difficulties of handling adult life with responsanilties of keeping a job, paying rent, reading physics at university and on top of that being a superhero. I guess it comes down to personal preference and life experience on which time period one finds most demanding. Even though I was a kid when I first watched SP2, i still felt more sympathetic with young adult Peters problem compared to his hardships in high school in Homecoming. SMH Peter didn't have hardships. He had a pretty easy life compared to Spider-Man in the original movies. In the original movies, Peter is struggling to keep up in school, his boss is a jerk, he has relationship problems, and Aunt May is struggling to pay the mortgage. In SMH, Peter is doing well in school (he's on the Academic Decathlon Team so he must have good grades to be on the team), he doesn't have to work, he gets invited to parties and has a date for the Homecoming Dance with the girl that he has a crush on, and Aunt May gets free meals in restaurants. SMH Peter has a pretty easy life and his only worry is how to impress Uncle Ben aka Tony Stark. We can relate to Peter in the original Spider-Man movies because we've experienced some of the same problems that Peter was going through. But we can't relate to SMH Peter because he's just a spoiled show-off who's only motivation for being a hero is to impress an egotistical billionaire. Also, the stakes were more personal in the original Spider-Man movies. We saw Uncle Ben killed by the thief whom Peter let get away. Peter can't even tell his best friend Harry that he's Spider-Man because Harry blames Spider-Man for his father's death and wants Spider-Man dead. And Dr. Octopus takes Aunt May as hostage during a robbery. In SMH, Peter has no personal stakes at all. We don't even know if Uncle Ben was murdered in MCU. The only reference to Uncle Ben was when Peter told Ned that Aunt May had been going through a rough time. But that could just mean that Ben Parker cheated on May and they got divorced and May had a rough time getting through the divorce. There's nothing in SMH that definitively says that Uncle Ben was killed by a thief whom Peter let get away and that's what drives Peter to be a superhero. Instead, all we see is that Peter is driven to be a superhero simply to try to impress Tony Stark. |
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