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Post by rizdek on Aug 11, 2018 23:59:55 GMT
Does anyone know how this guy actually voted? Lot's of people spoke horribly about Trump during the primaries but, because they hated Hillary more...voted for Trump in the general election. Perhaps he's one of them.
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 12, 2018 12:20:38 GMT
Does anyone know how this guy actually voted? Lot's of people spoke horribly about Trump during the primaries but, because they hated Hillary more...voted for Trump in the general election. Perhaps he's one of them. I think what he says at 5:50 into the video seems to rule out that possibility. |
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Post by rizdek on Aug 12, 2018 14:36:33 GMT
Does anyone know how this guy actually voted? Lot's of people spoke horribly about Trump during the primaries but, because they hated Hillary more...voted for Trump in the general election. Perhaps he's one of them. I think what he says at 5:50 into the video seems to rule out that possibility. I think it does not rule it out. He is talking about nominating Trump. So he's talking about the primaries. I'm sure many many people who ended up voting for Trump in the general elections hated that he got nominated...like most of those who ran against him. In fact many at Fox News were pretty anti-Trump throughout the primaries up til it was obvious he was going to win. I'm sure many evangelicals held they nose and voted for him in the general election because they didn't want Hillary to win. I'll search around and see what this guy said about Hillary in his video blogs? |
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 12, 2018 17:56:19 GMT
Lol. What the fuck is the "alt-left"? A recently invented, completely fake thing that doesn’t really exist, made-up by right wing people to draw some kind of moral equivalency to the racists in their political persuasion and people they identify as leftist. |
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 12, 2018 19:50:37 GMT
I think what he says at 5:50 into the video seems to rule out that possibility. I think it does not rule it out. He is talking about nominating Trump. So he's talking about the primaries. I'm sure many many people who ended up voting for Trump in the general elections hated that he got nominated...like most of those who ran against him. In fact many at Fox News were pretty anti-Trump throughout the primaries up til it was obvious he was going to win. I'm sure many evangelicals held they nose and voted for him in the general election because they didn't want Hillary to win. I'll search around and see what this guy said about Hillary in his video blogs? Dude, he’s an outspoken socialist who denigrates half the country for nominating Trump. He’s done nothing but demonise the guy for two years on social media. Do you seriously believe it’s plausible that he voted for Trump over Hillary as the ‘lesser of the two evils’? |
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Post by cybajedi on Aug 12, 2018 22:07:22 GMT
I’m just glad there weren’t any interracial couples in the video.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 22:19:28 GMT
The video gives you all the relevant background information on this fraud. If it can be optained by some YouTuber do you seriously think CNN knew nothing about this guy before inviting him on the show? In other words, the video simply assumes the segment producer was dishonest rather than careless in vetting the panelist. Anyone who wants to honestly judge this should try to find out which.
You don't trust a conspiracy yahoo 'explaining' a 'story' 'broken' by Newsbusters brought to you by the worst example of Christianity on the board?  Yeah, me neither. |
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Post by mslo79 on Aug 13, 2018 7:34:07 GMT
Hell, that "alt-left" is getting more-and-more mainstream left (it's like the alt-left from not all that long ago is the mainstream left today as their "standards" keep on declining but they are blind (at least I hope they are blind as if they are not, that would make them pretty evil on some issues) as see it as "progress"). hence, why so many are so opposed to conservatives nowadays.
that's why I think they hate conservatives so much because you can see that in many cases it's a good vs evil thing as the more left someone goes the more opposed to God they become and then they can't stand us conservatives because we generally try to stay as inline with God as we can which pretty much keeps certain moral things inflexible where as they want things to "evolve" and "progress" (...into the toilet).
so basically the answer to your question... not really. basically many on the left got no moral standards and oppose Truth and will do just about anything to destroy that Truth. it's good vs evil in many areas of society today but many on the left don't even think there is a objective truth even though there is as God (i.e. The Holy Trinity(Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) determines this standard and then you got one of two options... either support His standards(good) or oppose them(evil).
p.s. like I always say... once someone can't even get the abortion issue right (i.e. abortion is immoral. to put it bluntly it's murder but they sugar-coat it as a "choice") that side is inevitably going to go into the toilet with enough time and you can see this is happening as the decades pass. it's like they are blind in many areas. so while I am not going to say everyone on the left is off-the-rails, enough of them are (like in positions of power) to where it has a effect on society in a negative way.
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Post by progressiveelement on Aug 13, 2018 9:07:16 GMT
Hell, that "alt-left" is getting more-and-more mainstream left (it's like the alt-left from not all that long ago is the mainstream left today as their "standards" keep on declining but they are blind (at least I hope they are blind as if they are not, that would make them pretty evil on some issues) as see it as "progress"). hence, why so many are so opposed to conservatives nowadays. that's why I think they hate conservatives so much because you can see that in many cases it's a good vs evil thing as the more left someone goes the more opposed to God they become and then they can't stand us conservatives because we generally try to stay as inline with God as we can which pretty much keeps certain moral things inflexible where as they want things to "evolve" and "progress" (...into the toilet). so basically the answer to your question... not really. basically many on the left got no moral standards and oppose Truth and will do just about anything to destroy that Truth. it's good vs evil in many areas of society today but many on the left don't even think there is a objective truth even though there is as God (i.e. The Holy Trinity(Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) determines this standard and then you got one of two options... either support His standards(good) or oppose them(evil). p.s. like I always say... once someone can't even get the abortion issue right (i.e. abortion is immoral. to put it bluntly it's murder but they sugar-coat it as a "choice") that side is inevitably going to go into the toilet with enough time and you can see this is happening as the decades pass. it's like they are blind in many areas. so while I am not going to say everyone on the left is off-the-rails, enough of them are (like in positions of power) to where it has a effect on society in a negative way. Yes, your side are the good guys, your views are the right views. Anyone who is different is opposing God and is evil!!!!! I thought the community I grew up in had a simple view of the world.... |
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Post by Isapop on Aug 13, 2018 15:08:31 GMT
In other words, the video simply assumes the segment producer was dishonest rather than careless in vetting the panelist. Anyone who wants to honestly judge this should try to find out which.
You don't trust a conspiracy yahoo 'explaining' a 'story' 'broken' by Newsbusters brought to you by the worst example of Christianity on the board? Yeah, me neither. We now have a good indicator (in my view) that there is no good basis to charge CNN with deception. Fox News' Sunday program about the media, Mediabuzz with Howard Kurtz, wouldn't pass up covering a bona fide story that discredited CNN. And they never mentioned it. If this "story" doesn't pass muster with an outfit that has every good interest in making CNN look bad, there's no reason then for anyone else give it a thought.
(However, just because this was Cody's thread is no reason by itself to conclude it's false. Keep in mind a rule of thumb: A thing can be true...even if Cody says it's true.)
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Post by phludowin on Aug 13, 2018 15:17:21 GMT
(However, just because this was Cody's thread is no reason by itself to conclude it's false. Keep in mind a rule of thumb: A thing can be true...even if Cody says it's true.)
Or to put it in other words: Even a broken clock is right twice a day. But this thread is not one of these times. |
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 13, 2018 16:37:03 GMT
You don't trust a conspiracy yahoo 'explaining' a 'story' 'broken' by Newsbusters brought to you by the worst example of Christianity on the board? Yeah, me neither. We now have a good indicator (in my view) that there is no good basis to charge CNN with deception. Fox News' Sunday program about the media, Mediabuzz with Howard Kurtz, wouldn't pass up covering a bona fide story that discredited CNN. And they never mentioned it. If this "story" doesn't pass muster with an outfit that has every good interest in making CNN look bad, there's no reason then for anyone else give it a thought.
(However, just because this was Cody's thread is no reason by itself to conclude it's false. Keep in mind a rule of thumb: A thing can be true...even if Cody says it's true.)
There are two possibilities here. CNN were either too incompetent to do a quick research on this guy, where they would have swiftly realised he was never a Trump supporter or they purposely invited him on to deceive people. Either way they’ve proven they’re not to be trusted. Personally I feel the former scenario is the far more likely. I find it hard to believe an organisation like CNN wouldn’t do their homework beforehand. Where as I know for a fact they’ve deliberately reported fake news in the past. |
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Post by geode on Aug 13, 2018 17:06:17 GMT
We now have a good indicator (in my view) that there is no good basis to charge CNN with deception. Fox News' Sunday program about the media, Mediabuzz with Howard Kurtz, wouldn't pass up covering a bona fide story that discredited CNN. And they never mentioned it. If this "story" doesn't pass muster with an outfit that has every good interest in making CNN look bad, there's no reason then for anyone else give it a thought.
(However, just because this was Cody's thread is no reason by itself to conclude it's false. Keep in mind a rule of thumb: A thing can be true...even if Cody says it's true.)
There are two possibilities here. CNN were either too incompetent to do a quick research on this guy, where they would have swiftly realised he was never a Trump supporter or they purposely invited him on to deceive people. Either way they’ve proven they’re not to be trusted. Personally I feel the former scenario is the far more likely. I find it hard to believe an organisation like CNN wouldn’t do their homework beforehand. Where as I know for a fact they’ve deliberately reported fake news in the past. No, there are more than two possibilities. Jeremy might have voted for Trump and now regrets it, just as he stated in the program. Evidence that he is not as claimed on the right-wing conspiracy sites can be found at his YouTube site. He favored pro-President George W. Bush videos in the past, hardly the thing a socialist would have done. |
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 13, 2018 18:02:54 GMT
We now have a good indicator (in my view) that there is no good basis to charge CNN with deception. Fox News' Sunday program about the media, Mediabuzz with Howard Kurtz, wouldn't pass up covering a bona fide story that discredited CNN. And they never mentioned it. If this "story" doesn't pass muster with an outfit that has every good interest in making CNN look bad, there's no reason then for anyone else give it a thought.
(However, just because this was Cody's thread is no reason by itself to conclude it's false. Keep in mind a rule of thumb: A thing can be true...even if Cody says it's true.)
There are two possibilities here. CNN were either too incompetent to do a quick research on this guy, where they would have swiftly realised he was never a Trump supporter or they purposely invited him on to deceive people. Either way they’ve proven they’re not to be trusted. Personally I feel the former scenario is the far more likely. I find it hard to believe an organisation like CNN wouldn’t do their homework beforehand. Where as I know for a fact they’ve deliberately reported fake news in the past. No you don’t. And that’s precisely why you are incapable of validating this claim with evidence. |
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 13, 2018 18:39:07 GMT
There are two possibilities here. CNN were either too incompetent to do a quick research on this guy, where they would have swiftly realised he was never a Trump supporter or they purposely invited him on to deceive people. Either way they’ve proven they’re not to be trusted. Personally I feel the former scenario is the far more likely. I find it hard to believe an organisation like CNN wouldn’t do their homework beforehand. Where as I know for a fact they’ve deliberately reported fake news in the past. No, there are more than two possibilities. Jeremy might have voted for Trump and now regrets it, just as he stated in the program. Evidence that he is not as claimed on the right-wing conspiracy sites can be found at his YouTube site. He favored pro-President George W. Bush videos in the past, hardly the thing a socialist would have done. Going by what we know he’s been saying about Trump months before he was even inaugurated, that’s highly unlikely. We know he’s a socialist because he declared himself a #’ProudSocialist’ on a Facebook post. |
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 13, 2018 18:45:03 GMT
There are two possibilities here. CNN were either too incompetent to do a quick research on this guy, where they would have swiftly realised he was never a Trump supporter or they purposely invited him on to deceive people. Either way they’ve proven they’re not to be trusted. Personally I feel the former scenario is the far more likely. I find it hard to believe an organisation like CNN wouldn’t do their homework beforehand. Where as I know for a fact they’ve deliberately reported fake news in the past. No you don’t. And that’s precisely why you are incapable of validating this claim with evidence. Just a couple of examples: |
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 14, 2018 0:09:52 GMT
No you don’t. And that’s precisely why you are incapable of validating this claim with evidence. Just a couple of examples: I’m still waiting for you to demonstrate CNN actually REPORTING news that is FAKE Cody™ . This shouldn’t be this hard for you since it is basically a tenet of the racist, alt-right Trump movement that you are part of. Where is the fake news you are so desperately trying to prove??? We’re waiting! Because if what you just posted is the best you’ve got...then we can pretty much rust our case that you’re an idiot just like the rest of the Trump baggers! I hope your next attempt is better than this one. |
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Post by geode on Aug 14, 2018 1:17:26 GMT
No, there are more than two possibilities. Jeremy might have voted for Trump and now regrets it, just as he stated in the program. Evidence that he is not as claimed on the right-wing conspiracy sites can be found at his YouTube site. He favored pro-President George W. Bush videos in the past, hardly the thing a socialist would have done. Going by what we know he’s been saying about Trump months before he was even inaugurated, that’s highly unlikely. We know he’s a socialist because he declared himself a #’ProudSocialist’ on a Facebook post. To be honest I found that "expose" rather confused. There was the "proud socialist" thing but I don't remember it saying where that was from and when. If it is current this could be a change of heart from the past. I already addressed this with his videos of George W. Bush. I personally know people who were conservatives that are so turned off by Trump they are saying nice things about Bernie Sanders and his ideas now. I know people who have changed their minds. But, do we know for sure that the evidence provided is even the same guy who appeared on CNN? There were dates of June, 2016 titled on video segments that made no sense because he is referrng to events years later like the shootings in Las Vegas. It appears somebody is attempting in a rather crude and false way to made a case up after the fact. This was not very convincing. The fact that only right-wing sites with little credibility are making this claim and no reputable sources have said anything about it lends support to it being a false claim. And then there is this discussion from another panel member, Arthur Schaper. He claims that Jeremy is supporting Trump again. Schaper is cited at the very beginning of the video you linked as saying that Jeremy is a fraud. It is claimed that they know Schaper, and that he said that Jeremy aways was against Trump. But that is not what Schaper claims at all. You can read it here: Follow-up
So, the very first line of evidence cited is torn to ribbons. Is anthing else cited "valid"...? |
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 14, 2018 6:34:22 GMT
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 14, 2018 7:53:42 GMT
geode I think the guy in the video must have misspoke because Montanez wasn’t talking about the Las Vegas shooting. He was referring to the Orlando nightclub shooting. We know this because if you go to his YouTube channel the published date for the actual video is 14 June 2016. Not quite. The guy never said that Arthur Schaper claimed “Jeremy always was against Trump”. He says ”He knew right away that this guy was never a Trump voter”. Clearly he was talking about what Schaper deduced during the actual panel exchange implying that Schaper quickly saw through Jeremy’s act. The link you cited is mostly about the aftermath of the panel debate. Montanez’s flip flopping brings his sincerity all the more into question.
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