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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 13, 2018 15:22:43 GMT
tfl;cdr
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Post by sostie on Aug 13, 2018 15:27:49 GMT
So you don't like MCU movies because the characters show human frailties! You give a couple of examples where you think MCU characters have put themselves first, but ignore the numerous times they have done the opposite. Says who? The superhero movies of today stem primarily from the stories created by DC and Marvel, and Marvel have always shown the struggle keeping a balance between the civilian/hero life, how human emotions and frailties can impact on a heroes decisions...it's one thing that made Marvel stand-out and become popular in the the 60s, and it's a subject DC has covered often. It's not all perfect, authoritarian gods and Übermensch. Human frailties would be when a superhero sometimes wishes they didn't have to carry the weight of the world on their shoulders and could live a normal life, like Clark Kent in Superman II and Peter Parker in the original Spider-Man movies and Bruce Wayne in Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. A superhero choosing to sacrifice millions of people can't be simply dismissed as "human frailty" because that's not human frailty. That's being a selfish asshole putting their own selfish wishes ahead of the greater good and that's not what a superhero is supposed to do or be. It's those frailties, emotions, flaws, humanity etc that contribute to those decisions. And also...again...you ignore all those times MCU characters do not put themselves first |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 15:31:29 GMT
My rating of the Marvel movies i have seen.
Captain America: Civil War (2016) 8.5\10
Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014) 8\10
Captain America: The First Avenger (2011) 7\10
X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014)- 8\10
X-Men (2000) 7.5\10
X: First Class (2011) 7.5\10
X2 (2003) 7\10
X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) 6\10
X-Men: Apocalypse (2016) 5.5\10
Iron Man (2008) 7.5\10
Iron Man 2 (2010) 7\10
Iron Man Three (2013) 6.5\10
Spider-Man (2002) 7.5\10
Spider-Man 2 (2004) 7\10
Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017) 6.5\10
Spider-Man 3 (2007) 6\10
The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) 5\10
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014) 3.5\10
Fantastic Four (2005) 6.5\10
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) 5\10
The Avengers (2012) 7.5\10
Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015) 7\10
Thor (2011) 6.5\10
Thor: The Dark World (2013) 6\10
Thor: Ragnarok (2017) 8\10
Deadpool (2016) 7\10
Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) 7.5\10
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017) 7\10
Doctor Strange (2016) 7.5\10
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 13, 2018 15:45:56 GMT
Human frailties would be when a superhero sometimes wishes they didn't have to carry the weight of the world on their shoulders and could live a normal life, like Clark Kent in Superman II and Peter Parker in the original Spider-Man movies and Bruce Wayne in Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. A superhero choosing to sacrifice millions of people can't be simply dismissed as "human frailty" because that's not human frailty. That's being a selfish asshole putting their own selfish wishes ahead of the greater good and that's not what a superhero is supposed to do or be. It's those frailties, emotions, flaws, humanity etc that contribute to those decisions. Like I said in my previous post, sacrificing millions of people isn't a frailty or flaw. It's being a selfish asshole who doesn't give a shit about millions of lives. And that's not what true superheroes do. you ignore all those times MCU characters do not put themselves first No, I didn't. A true hero doesn't pick and choose when they save millions of lives. Captain Kirk doesn't say "I saved a million people last week so I've done my good deed for this month and next week I can choose to put my own wishes ahead of the greater good and let a half million people die. I'll still be ahead on the Lives Saved balance sheet." If next week, Kirk has to make another choice to put his own wishes ahead of the greater good or to save another million lives, he'll choose to save another million lives. Because that's what it means to be a true hero. When the situation calls for a hero to choose between his own selfish wishes or saving millions of people, it doesn't matter if they've saved people 100 times before, it doesn't matter how many people they've saved before, none of what happened before matters. It's what they choose to do in the current situation that matters. Do they choose to save millions of people now or do they choose to put their own selfish wishes ahead of the greater good now? That's what MCU's so-called "superheroes" don't seem to understand and MCU Dictator Kevin Feige doesn't seem to understand and what MCU fans like you who make excuses for MCU don't seem to understand. |
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Post by kanekikun on Aug 13, 2018 15:55:51 GMT
we understand that flawed people who fail because of their flaws are better than perfect people who never fail because of their own flaws.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 13, 2018 17:37:14 GMT
we understand that flawed people who fail because of their flaws are better than perfect people who never fail because of their own flaws. Well, everyone knows that. Hardly news. ... wait, what?! |
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Post by sostie on Aug 13, 2018 17:43:53 GMT
It's those frailties, emotions, flaws, humanity etc that contribute to those decisions. Like I said in my previous post, sacrificing millions of people isn't a frailty or flaw. It's being a selfish asshole who doesn't give a shit about millions of lives. And that's not what true superheroes do. You either don't read, or don't understand, replies. Quill's anger at the death of the woman he loved led to his actions. Not being able to keep his feelings in check led to his actions. Regardless of the stakes it was far more believable recation than say giving up on a life & death battle because your adversary shared your mothers name. You focus on Quill and Scarlet Witch in Infinity War yet ignore Spider-man and Iron Man boarding an alien ship certain they won't return, the Guardians facing Thanos twice and evryone on Wakanda fighting him and his forces despite the odds stacked against them, Gamora arranging her own death if captured, Thor nearly risking his life to obtain a weapon in order to defeat Thanos What about Iron Man carrying the missile into space in Avengers? The Guardians going up against a whole army to save a planet, or a Planet/God to save the Universe? Doctor Strange damning himself to an eternity of repeated deaths in order to beat Dormammu? Captain America sacrificing himself in First Avenger (and don't say it wasn't a sacrifice because he later survived....you obviously ignore the definition of the word)? Then there are the numerous battles where the odds are stacked against the heroes Then there are the actions made by characters where those saved may not be millions but were unselfish acts...Scott Lang (and Janet van Dyne) going subatomic, Groot saving the Guardians, Quicksilver dying saving Hawkeye & a child, Hulk leaving the planet so he wasn't a threat to people.....ignore all those. But no, the acts of three characters in 4 films (seen through and already biased view) is your reason for hating a whole franchise. Bit pathetic really, trying to make out you hate them for some grander reason, whilst ignoring examples of the opposite. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 15, 2018 2:25:02 GMT
Quill's anger at the death of the woman he loved led to his actions. Not being able to keep his feelings in check led to his actions. And that's the difference between a true and great hero and MCU's false "heroes". When Steve Trevor's plane blew up, Diana could've crushed Dr. Poison with the tank. But Diana kept her anger in control. Starlord was a selfish asshole who put his own selfish wishes ahead of the greater good. Worse of all, Starlord's selfish actions did nothing to bring Gamora (who was already dead) back anyway, so all Starlord's selfish actions did was help Thanos break free and keep the gauntlet and eventually kill more than half the universe. it was far more believable recation than say giving up on a life death battle because your adversary shared your mothers name. Which is still far mor believable than Ronan, the Big Bad Destroyer of Planets getting defeated by a silly Dance-Off. Captain America sacrificing himself in First Avenger (and don't say it wasn't a sacrifice because he later survived....you obviously ignore the definition of the word)? Aside from the fact that Cap didn't sacrifice himself in First Avenger, nothing Cap did in First Avenger absolves him of his selfish actions in Civil War when he kept putting his own selfish wishes ahead of the greater good and put the lives of brave law enforcement officers who were just trying to do their jobs as well as the lives of many civilians at risk witt his selfish actions.
Like I said in a previous post, Captain Kirk doesn't say "I saved a million people last week so I've done my good deed for this month and next week I can choose to put my own wishes ahead of the greater good and let a half million people die. I'll still be ahead on the Lives Saved balance sheet."
If next week, Kirk has to make another choice to put his own wishes ahead of the greater good or to save another million lives, he'll choose to save another million lives. Because that's what it means to be a true hero. When the situation calls for a hero to choose between his own selfish wishes or saving millions of people, it doesn't matter if they've saved people 100 times before, it doesn't matter how many people they've saved before, none of what happened before matters. It's what they choose to do in the current situation that matters. Do they choose to save millions of people now or do they choose to put their own selfish wishes ahead of the greater good now?
That's what MCU's so-called "superheroes" don't seem to understand and MCU Dictator Kevin Feige doesn't seem to understand and what MCU fans like you who make excuses for MCU don't seem to understand. |
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Aug 15, 2018 2:39:33 GMT
There is a Zero Tolerance Policy for Nonsense. Hokai?  |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 15, 2018 2:45:46 GMT
Quill's anger at the death of the woman he loved led to his actions. Not being able to keep his feelings in check led to his actions. And that's the difference between a true and great hero and MCU's false "heroes". When Steve Trevor's plane blew up, Diana could've crushed Dr. Poison with the tank. But Diana kept her anger in control. Starlord was a selfish asshole who put his own selfish wishes ahead of the greater good. Worse of all, Starlord's selfish actions did nothing to bring Gamora (who was already dead) back anyway, so all Starlord's selfish actions did was help Thanos break free and keep the gauntlet and eventually kill more than half the universe. it was far more believable recation than say giving up on a life death battle because your adversary shared your mothers name. Which is still far mor believable than Ronan, the Big Bad Destroyer of Planets getting defeated by a silly Dance-Off. Captain America sacrificing himself in First Avenger (and don't say it wasn't a sacrifice because he later survived....you obviously ignore the definition of the word)? Aside from the fact that Cap didn't sacrifice himself in First Avenger, nothing Cap did in First Avenger absolves him of his selfish actions in Civil War when he kept putting his own selfish wishes ahead of the greater good and put the lives of brave law enforcement officers who were just trying to do their jobs as well as the lives of many civilians at risk witt his selfish actions.
Like I said in a previous post, Captain Kirk doesn't say "I saved a million people last week so I've done my good deed for this month and next week I can choose to put my own wishes ahead of the greater good and let a half million people die. I'll still be ahead on the Lives Saved balance sheet."
If next week, Kirk has to make another choice to put his own wishes ahead of the greater good or to save another million lives, he'll choose to save another million lives. Because that's what it means to be a true hero. When the situation calls for a hero to choose between his own selfish wishes or saving millions of people, it doesn't matter if they've saved people 100 times before, it doesn't matter how many people they've saved before, none of what happened before matters. It's what they choose to do in the current situation that matters. Do they choose to save millions of people now or do they choose to put their own selfish wishes ahead of the greater good now?
That's what MCU's so-called "superheroes" don't seem to understand and MCU Dictator Kevin Feige doesn't seem to understand and what MCU fans like you who make excuses for MCU don't seem to understand.So in what scene did Peter steal money? Who cares if my thread is locked. What's stopping you now from answering |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 15, 2018 4:33:15 GMT
DC-Fan says he hasn’t seen any MCU movie more than once. Honestly does that sound like the rant of a guy who hasn’t (hate)watched these movies multiple times? 
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 15, 2018 4:39:02 GMT
MCU fans have often complained that I give low ratings to MCU movies. But it's not low ratings, it's bait!
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Post by sostie on Aug 15, 2018 9:39:10 GMT
Quill's anger at the death of the woman he loved led to his actions. Not being able to keep his feelings in check led to his actions. And that's the difference between a true and great hero and MCU's false "heroes". When Steve Trevor's plane blew up, Diana could've crushed Dr. Poison with the tank. But Diana kept her anger in control. Starlord was a selfish asshole who put his own selfish wishes ahead of the greater good. Worse of all, Starlord's selfish actions did nothing to bring Gamora (who was already dead) back anyway, so all Starlord's selfish actions did was help Thanos break free and keep the gauntlet and eventually kill more than half the universe. it was far more believable recation than say giving up on a life death battle because your adversary shared your mothers name. Which is still far mor believable than Ronan, the Big Bad Destroyer of Planets getting defeated by a silly Dance-Off. Captain America sacrificing himself in First Avenger (and don't say it wasn't a sacrifice because he later survived....you obviously ignore the definition of the word)? Aside from the fact that Cap didn't sacrifice himself in First Avenger, nothing Cap did in First Avenger absolves him of his selfish actions in Civil War when he kept putting his own selfish wishes ahead of the greater good and put the lives of brave law enforcement officers who were just trying to do their jobs as well as the lives of many civilians at risk witt his selfish actions.
Like I said in a previous post, Captain Kirk doesn't say "I saved a million people last week so I've done my good deed for this month and next week I can choose to put my own wishes ahead of the greater good and let a half million people die. I'll still be ahead on the Lives Saved balance sheet."
If next week, Kirk has to make another choice to put his own wishes ahead of the greater good or to save another million lives, he'll choose to save another million lives. Because that's what it means to be a true hero. When the situation calls for a hero to choose between his own selfish wishes or saving millions of people, it doesn't matter if they've saved people 100 times before, it doesn't matter how many people they've saved before, none of what happened before matters. It's what they choose to do in the current situation that matters. Do they choose to save millions of people now or do they choose to put their own selfish wishes ahead of the greater good now?
That's what MCU's so-called "superheroes" don't seem to understand and MCU Dictator Kevin Feige doesn't seem to understand and what MCU fans like you who make excuses for MCU don't seem to understand.The usual cherrypicking, innacurate, repetitive reply. Pointless |
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