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Post by charzhino on Aug 14, 2018 13:01:55 GMT
Just praise the powers at be theyre not doing Jane Bond.
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Post by Reggie_Stration on Aug 14, 2018 13:58:00 GMT
I've said it before, I still think Bond should be played by Peter Dinklage.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Aug 14, 2018 19:56:47 GMT
Here's the question: Did you abandon the 007 films when they cast a blond man to play Bond? Bond had been dark-haired in all of the prior film portrayals and novels. Oh, the horror! There was plenty of outrage when Craig was selected though. It died when Casino Royale came out to rave reviews. Yeah, but did TheGodfather stop watching 007 films?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 14, 2018 20:20:45 GMT
color is secondary to Bond, it would be a good contrast to reenergize the stagnant series and refresh the gene pool.
People complained about James Blond forgetting that Roger More was quite a blonde too back in the days. There was no black bond precedent so far but at least some of his colleagues like Felix Leiter or Moneypenny changed color and the Bond world did not end.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 20:21:31 GMT
I actually think they have made enough James Bond movies.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Aug 14, 2018 22:02:18 GMT
color is secondary to Bond, it would be a good contrast to reenergize the stagnant series and refresh the gene pool. People complained about James Blond forgetting that Roger More was quite a blonde too back in the days. There was no black bond precedent so far but at least some of his colleagues like Felix Leiter or Moneypenny changed color and the Bond world did not end. Brown is not blond.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 14, 2018 22:58:47 GMT
color is secondary to Bond, it would be a good contrast to reenergize the stagnant series and refresh the gene pool. People complained about James Blond forgetting that Roger More was quite a blonde too back in the days. There was no black bond precedent so far but at least some of his colleagues like Felix Leiter or Moneypenny changed color and the Bond world did not end. Brown is not blond. brown is the new dark blond; guess we would need to undress the man to find what is natural, but too late. Blond enough for me.     
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Post by mslo79 on Aug 15, 2018 3:32:33 GMT
I think the OP makes a good point. basically James Bond must remain white as you can't really change major roles like that as like you said trying to change Shaft etc to a white guy would be a bad idea etc.
based on the fairly recent talk... Henry Cavill seems to be a decent candidate for James Bond and I think that might just work but we shall see.
basically if Idris Elba becomes James Bond... it's clearly politics at play.
p.s. hell, even if someone is for Idris Elba for playing James Bond... he's at a age that's pushing it to start playing James Bond as he's in his mid-to-late 40's which even if one was to overlook the starting age point, which he's already pushing it here, it seems by early 50's is the general limit for playing Bond (NOTE: I know Roger Moore would have been about 56-57 when the 1985 Bond movie was filmed/released (he would have been 58 later that year) but that's really pushing it as I figure I would generally end the role no later than 54 years old (with maybe a rare exception if the right person comes along and appears young enough)) so he would not be around for long as James Bond if you figure roughly one movie every 3-4 years. but someone like Henry Cavill on the other hand is pretty much at that perfect age to start playing James Bond which I would say is around mid-30's or so.
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Post by deviates on Aug 15, 2018 7:21:34 GMT
Did everyone see the movie "Creed" (2015) ? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creed_(film)Adonis "Donnie" Johnson took over as the lead character in the "Rocky" Franchise... I greatly enjoyed the film as well, and I am looking forward to "Creed II"... The torch was passed from Rocky to Adonis... That's all that I am proposing here... Just create a new lead character. What is wrong with that? "Jasmine White 008" can still receive her missions from 'M'... 'Q' can still issue her all of the gadgets... and we can still go to exotic locations... and have fantastic villains... and watch big explosions! WHY CAN'T "Idris Elba 006" Films & "Jasmine White 008" films WORK?... If they were to be made, I would still want to go see them. What is so fucking special about "James Bond" that he... has to be... turned into a black man... as being the only option for the franchise to continue? To be honest, I think the character is outdated, and it's time for him to be replaced. Bond is hardly the same as Rocky, given the character changes quite often and not just the actor playing him. That being said, there's already a 006 and 008.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 7:33:37 GMT
Honestly, I seriously doubt James Bond is the same character as he was in the original movies and much like M and Q which have new people take over the names when one dies or retires I think James Bond is just a code name different people use in the movies so I see no problem having Idris Elba playing the role. Is there any proof he is the same character apart from them acknowledging he had a Wife that was murdered which in his profession wouldn't be that uncommon? The personality changes are all over the place and Daniel Craig's James Bond is nothing like Roger Moore or Pierce Bronson's Bonds for example that were more outspoken, charismatic and were at times comedic too. Daniel Craig's Bond comes across as somebody who has an antisocial personality disorder and is wooden as a stick. 
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Post by Eλευθερί on Aug 15, 2018 17:59:32 GMT
I think the OP makes a good point. basically James Bond must remain white as you can't really change major roles like that as like you said trying to change Shaft etc to a white guy would be a bad idea etc. That's a poor analogy. Shaft's story was about him being African American. That was an essential feature of who he was as a character. James Bond's story is about him being British and a spy. It's never been about him being white, just as it's never been about him speaking with a particular regional British accent, or having dark brown or black hair. If they made the new Bond speak Italian without knowing any English--that would change the character to the point that it would not make sense. If they made him congenitally blind--again, something like that would be hard to reconcile with all of the past versions of the character because that would change an essential feature of his character. If they made him 4 feet tall, or covered his face with tattoos and piercings, those things would change essential features of his character. Or if they gave him a superhuman ability, like being able to fly or grow new body parts after an injury--those would be changes to essential features. Things like making him left-handed, though, would not change anything essential about him because his story was never about him being right-handed. For some people, giving him a mustache would be jarring, but a mustache, like a ring or a hat, is something that can be put on or taken off, unlike these other characteristics we have been discussing. Which is why, depending on the actor, and the sort of mustache it is, I don't think it would change an essential feature of the character.  So whether Bond is played by a white or black actor should not matter for a performance in 2019, even though it would have been earth-shattering 50 or 60 years ago. In 2019, his race is not a character that defines him--unless you're someone who sees people as being essentially different based on race.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Aug 15, 2018 18:13:20 GMT
Just a further thought:
If you are familiar with the story Brideshead Revisited, you know that a large part of the story dealt with Sebastian's and all of his relatives' in the Flyte family (the family who own the Brideshead estate) being Catholic. You could not change their religion, making them just be members of the Church of England, without making the story unrecognizable, because their Catholicism was an essential feature of their character and intrinsic to the story.
But Bond's family could be Catholic, since his family's religion has never been made out to be an important part of what his stories were about.
They could conceivably even make Bond bisexual. However, they could not make him exclusively gay because his attraction to women has always been presented as an essential part of his character and what his stories were about.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 15, 2018 19:07:30 GMT
Just praise the powers at be theyre not doing Jane Bond. Nah, I'd pay good money to watch that movie.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Aug 16, 2018 0:57:40 GMT
Just praise the powers at be theyre not doing Jane Bond. Nah, I'd pay good money to watch that movie. Bond has traditionally been a womanizer. What would a Jane Bond be like sexually?
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Post by Eλευθερί on Aug 16, 2018 1:01:31 GMT
Another good contrast with the James Bond situation would be that of Detective Jane Tennyson from the Prime Suspect tv show. You could not change Jane Tennyson's character into a man without completely losing all sense of what the original character and her story was about. Prime Suspect was about what it was like for a woman to rise through the ranks of the old boys' club of Scotland Yard.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 1:16:46 GMT
I actually think they have made enough James Bond movies. BOO THIS MAN.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 1:20:53 GMT
That's unfortunate.
I'm not opposed to creating other franchises and opportunities so as not to rely on the selling power of a franchise, but you could be missing out on some good movies for nothing if Idris Elba in the role is your out. Or you could be missing out on crap, but you won't know unless you try.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 16, 2018 13:10:21 GMT
Nah, I'd pay good money to watch that movie. Bond has traditionally been a womanizer. What would a Jane Bond be like sexually? It's not exactly a calculus problem to figure out how a woman would be sexually. Assuming that needs to be something that would carry over. That'd be like wondering how to incorporate Superman's traditional anti-Japanese propaganda comics into modern movies.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Aug 16, 2018 17:45:56 GMT
Bond has traditionally been a womanizer. What would a Jane Bond be like sexually? It's not exactly a calculus problem to figure out how a woman would be sexually. Assuming that needs to be something that would carry over. That'd be like wondering how to incorporate Superman's traditional anti-Japanese propaganda comics into modern movies. It wouldn't be "a woman." It would be "a woman who is Bond, 007." The archetypal woman in film has traditionally not been allowed to be sexually voracious without apology. The archetypal Bond has. So that would be an important consideration.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 19:48:30 GMT
However, create NEW roles for different ethnicities. Couldn't you say just as much for actors? I mean, Sean Connery was the first 007. Why let Lazenby or Moore or any other actor play it? Just make up a new spy if you want them to have work. Same for Sherlock Holmes. Basil Rathbone is Sherlock, why let Benedict Cummerbund or Robert Downey Jr play him? (I'm sure somebody probably pre-dates Rathbone, so substitute him.) And so on. Why let Pine play Kirk? Why let anybody but Adam West play Batman? Is that your point of view?
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