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Post by brownstones on Mar 23, 2017 22:46:36 GMT
This. He wants to have his cake and eat it too. Profit from the superhero movie boom but still act like he's too good for the genre. It's no better than when the Birdman director called the whole thing "cultural genocide". This is outright deplorable. What exactly did Inarrityu refer to? And yes Mangold is throwing pebbles in a glass house with those statements. I believe he was referring to the entire superhero genre. |
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Post by skribb on Mar 23, 2017 22:49:32 GMT
This is outright deplorable. What exactly did Inarrityu refer to? And yes Mangold is throwing pebbles in a glass house with those statements. I believe he was referring to the entire superhero genre. Now that is a broad brush stroke  |
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Post by politicidal on Mar 23, 2017 22:50:15 GMT
This. He wants to have his cake and eat it too. Profit from the superhero movie boom but still act like he's too good for the genre. It's no better than when the Birdman director called the whole thing "cultural genocide". This is outright deplorable. What exactly did Inarrityu refer to? And yes Mangold is throwing pebbles in a glass house with those statements. One of the articles covering his statements. Here's the part where he makes those remarks: DEADLINE: Is there anything you enjoy about these superhero films?GONZALEZ INARRITU: I sometimes enjoy them because they are basic and simple and go well with popcorn. The problem is that sometimes they purport to be profound, based on some Greek mythological kind of thing. And they are honestly very right wing. I always see them as killing people because they do not believe in what you believe, or they are not being who you want them to be. I hate that, and don’t respond to those characters. They have been poison, this cultural genocide, because the audience is so overexposed to plot and explosions and shit that doesn’t mean nothing about the experience of being human. deadline.com/2014/10/birdman-director-alejandro-gonzalez-inarritu-writers-interview-852206/ |
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Post by skribb on Mar 23, 2017 23:40:27 GMT
This is outright deplorable. What exactly did Inarrityu refer to? And yes Mangold is throwing pebbles in a glass house with those statements. One of the articles covering his statements. Here's the part where he makes those remarks: DEADLINE: Is there anything you enjoy about these superhero films?GONZALEZ INARRITU: I sometimes enjoy them because they are basic and simple and go well with popcorn. The problem is that sometimes they purport to be profound, based on some Greek mythological kind of thing. And they are honestly very right wing. I always see them as killing people because they do not believe in what you believe, or they are not being who you want them to be. I hate that, and don’t respond to those characters. They have been poison, this cultural genocide, because the audience is so overexposed to plot and explosions and shit that doesn’t mean nothing about the experience of being human. deadline.com/2014/10/birdman-director-alejandro-gonzalez-inarritu-writers-interview-852206/Damn that's some deep shit, I definitely feel him. We perpetuate certain paradigms of thought and cultural memes thru the art which we create. I think he's probably overracting but he definitely has a point. |
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Post by THawk on Mar 23, 2017 23:54:38 GMT
I hope Mangold realizes that without the "overstuffed too many characters" movies, he would have never gotten to make something like Logan?
Now I'm not sure if he's referring to the earlier X-Men movies or the Avengers or whatever, but yeah - you need to introduce the characters first before you can get your deep characters analysis mojo on. "Logan" would not make sense without the audience having some kind of connection with the "lesser" films before it.
And about the formula...while it may have been adapted quite similarly in the film adaptation, it's also the decades old comic book formula. The stories are never really "final," they almost always lead into something else that the fans are later supposed to check out. That does not make them "lesser quality" in any way. Not all good material is a closed book with a beginning and permanent end.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 1:45:21 GMT
I hope Mangold realizes that without the "overstuffed too many characters" movies, he would have never gotten to make something like Logan? Now I'm not sure if he's referring to the earlier X-Men movies or the Avengers or whatever, but yeah - you need to introduce the characters first before you can get your deep characters analysis mojo on. "Logan" would not make sense without the audience having some kind of connection with the "lesser" films before it. And about the formula...while it may have been adapted quite similarly in the film adaptation, it's also the decades old comic book formula. The stories are never really "final," they almost always lead into something else that the fans are later supposed to check out. That does not make them "lesser quality" in any way. Not all good material is a closed book with a beginning and permanent end. Sadly, your thoughtful input on the matter is likely to be ignored by those who have already made up their mind that superhero films represent everything evil about society today. In any event, Manchild, er, Mangold, just guaranteed I will never spend another nickle on anything he directs. |
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Post by cineastewest on Mar 24, 2017 7:20:42 GMT
I hate character arcs. I like characters. The arc is Hollywood horseshit. James margold sounds like a by the book twit. A good director can establish a character in 30 seconds.
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Post by miike80 on Mar 24, 2017 7:26:34 GMT
Films are also supposed to stand on their own without relying on years of continuity. The mindset that crossover between franchises has become essential explains why all studios are mapping out dozens of sequels instead of developing movies with more original premises. So much this! Every movie should stand on his own and not make sense only if you saw other 75 movies in the same cinematic universe. I think Logan does that just fine |
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Post by medjay on Mar 24, 2017 13:27:30 GMT
Unlike Marvel movies there were stakes and 2 important characters are dead. Whether there were more stakes is a subjective thing. Yes, and now they can never use those two important characters ever again, showing how short-sighted they are. Excuse Marvel for playing the long game. Yeah, i mean you have to stretch them until you can because that's great moviemaking. You gotta use them till people get sick of them. Fuck the writers. |
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Post by medjay on Mar 24, 2017 13:28:31 GMT
You sure as hell acting like Marvel movies are the greatest thing ever. No, I'm just tired of people acting like the very existence of a cinematic universe is an affront to nature. If you don't like the Marvel films, just stop watching them. You'll save money and your time. They are an affront to nature if you look at the history of movie making. |
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Post by medjay on Mar 24, 2017 13:31:05 GMT
<div class="quote" author=" politicidal" source="/post/170706/thread" timestamp="1490309415"><div class="quote_body"><div class="quote_avatar_container"><div class="avatar-wrapper avatar_size_quote avatar-212" title="politicidal"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BruKiF1CIAAYUIb.jpg" alt="politicidal Avatar"></div></div><div class="quote_header"><a href="/post/170706/thread"><abbr class="o-timestamp time" data-timestamp="1490309415000" title="Mar 24, 2017 0:50:15 GMT 2">Mar 24, 2017 0:50:15 GMT 2</abbr></a> <span itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><a href="/user/212" class="user-link js-user-link user-212 group-0" itemprop="url" title=" politicidal"><span itemprop="name">politicidal</span></a></span> said:</div><div class="quote" author=" skribb" source="/post/170692/thread" timestamp="1490309113"><div class="quote_body"><div class="quote_avatar_container"><div class="avatar-wrapper avatar_size_quote avatar-551" title="skribb"><img src="//storage.proboards.com/6692551/avatar/SZucJdBEU0IOLQoGOWnR.png" alt="skribb Avatar"></div></div><div class="quote_header"><a href="/post/170692/thread"><abbr data-timestamp="1490309113000" title="Mar 24, 2017 0:45:13 GMT 2" class="o-timestamp time">Mar 24, 2017 0:45:13 GMT 2</abbr></a> <span itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><a href="/user/551" class="user-link js-user-link user-551 group-0" itemprop="url" title=" skribb"><span itemprop="name">skribb</span></a></span> said:</div>This is outright deplorable. What exactly did Inarrityu refer to?<br><br>And yes Mangold is throwing pebbles in a glass house with those statements.<div class="quote_clear"></div></div></div>One of the articles covering his statements. Here's the part where he makes those remarks:<br><br><i>DEADLINE: Is there anything you enjoy about these superhero films?</i><br><br>GONZALEZ INARRITU: I sometimes enjoy them because they are basic and simple and go well with popcorn. The problem is that sometimes they purport to be profound, based on some Greek mythological kind of thing. And they are honestly very right wing. I always see them as killing people because they do not believe in what you believe, or they are not being who you want them to be. I hate that, and don’t respond to those characters. They have been poison, this cultural genocide, because the audience is so overexposed to plot and explosions and shit that doesn’t mean nothing about the experience of being human.<br><br><a href="http://deadline.com/2014/10/birdman-director-alejandro-gonzalez-inarritu-writers-interview-852206/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://deadline.com/2014/10/birdman-director-alejandro-gonzalez-inarritu-writers-interview-852206/</a><br><br><div class="quote_clear"></div></div></div>Hey mister Inniratu, Pol Pot has the record killing 25% of his own country.<br> |
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Post by skribb on Mar 24, 2017 14:05:59 GMT
<div class="quote" author=" politicidal" source="/post/170706/thread" timestamp="1490309415"><div class="quote_body"><div class="quote_avatar_container"><div class="avatar-wrapper avatar_size_quote avatar-212" title="politicidal"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BruKiF1CIAAYUIb.jpg" alt="politicidal Avatar"></div></div><div class="quote_header"><a href="/post/170706/thread"><abbr class="o-timestamp time" data-timestamp="1490309415000" title="Mar 24, 2017 0:50:15 GMT 2">Mar 24, 2017 0:50:15 GMT 2</abbr></a> <span itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><a href="/user/212" class="user-link js-user-link user-212 group-0" itemprop="url" title=" politicidal"><span itemprop="name">politicidal</span></a></span> said:</div><div class="quote" author=" skribb" source="/post/170692/thread" timestamp="1490309113"><div class="quote_body"><div class="quote_avatar_container"><div class="avatar-wrapper avatar_size_quote avatar-551" title="skribb"><img src="//storage.proboards.com/6692551/avatar/SZucJdBEU0IOLQoGOWnR.png" alt="skribb Avatar"></div></div><div class="quote_header"><a href="/post/170692/thread"><abbr data-timestamp="1490309113000" title="Mar 24, 2017 0:45:13 GMT 2" class="o-timestamp time">Mar 24, 2017 0:45:13 GMT 2</abbr></a> <span itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><a href="/user/551" class="user-link js-user-link user-551 group-0" itemprop="url" title=" skribb"><span itemprop="name">skribb</span></a></span> said:</div>This is outright deplorable. What exactly did Inarrityu refer to?<br><br>And yes Mangold is throwing pebbles in a glass house with those statements.<div class="quote_clear"></div></div></div>One of the articles covering his statements. Here's the part where he makes those remarks:<br><br><i>DEADLINE: Is there anything you enjoy about these superhero films?</i><br><br>GONZALEZ INARRITU: I sometimes enjoy them because they are basic and simple and go well with popcorn. The problem is that sometimes they purport to be profound, based on some Greek mythological kind of thing. And they are honestly very right wing. I always see them as killing people because they do not believe in what you believe, or they are not being who you want them to be. I hate that, and don’t respond to those characters. They have been poison, this cultural genocide, because the audience is so overexposed to plot and explosions and shit that doesn’t mean nothing about the experience of being human.<br><br><a href="http://deadline.com/2014/10/birdman-director-alejandro-gonzalez-inarritu-writers-interview-852206/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://deadline.com/2014/10/birdman-director-alejandro-gonzalez-inarritu-writers-interview-852206/</a><br><br><div class="quote_clear"></div></div></div>Hey mister Inniratu, Pol Pot has the record killing 25% of his own country.<br> the hell just happened |
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Post by medjay on Mar 24, 2017 14:34:55 GMT
If it was me it was not on purpose.
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 24, 2017 15:38:36 GMT
I hope Mangold realizes that without the "overstuffed too many characters" movies, he would have never gotten to make something like Logan? Now I'm not sure if he's referring to the earlier X-Men movies or the Avengers or whatever, but yeah - you need to introduce the characters first before you can get your deep characters analysis mojo on. "Logan" would not make sense without the audience having some kind of connection with the "lesser" films before it. And about the formula...while it may have been adapted quite similarly in the film adaptation, it's also the decades old comic book formula. The stories are never really "final," they almost always lead into something else that the fans are later supposed to check out. That does not make them "lesser quality" in any way. Not all good material is a closed book with a beginning and permanent end. was greenlit because of the success of Deadpool, the antidote to the bloated superhero movies flooding the market these days. Comics and films are different mediums. While comics can use a few superhero tropes for decades, films have to break the mold eventually as their formula has become more visible in the social media. Hence no one complained about "superhero fatigue" until recently, even though comics exist long time ago. Films are also supposed to stand on their own without relying on years of continuity. The mindset that crossover between franchises has become essential explains why all studios are mapping out dozens of sequels instead of developing movies with more original premises. Bulshit. Films are supposed to do whatever it is there makers intend. If that is to tell a standalone story, so be it. If that is to be a part of a larger universe, so be it. There are no rules. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 0:53:40 GMT
Logan was greenlit because of the success of Deadpool, the antidote to the bloated superhero movies flooding the market these days. Comics and films are different mediums. While comics can use a few superhero tropes for decades, films have to break the mold eventually as their formula has become more visible in the social media. Hence no one complained about "superhero fatigue" until recently, even though comics exist long time ago. Films are also supposed to stand on their own without relying on years of continuity. The mindset that crossover between franchises has become essential explains why all studios are mapping out dozens of sequels instead of developing movies with more original premises. Bulshit. Films are supposed to do whatever it is there makers intend. If that is to tell a standalone story, so be it. If that is to be a part of a larger universe, so be it. There are no rules. Can't say I'm surprised at all that CaptainMystique is turning out to be quite the film snob when it comes to superhero movies. Also, calling Logan an antidote for anything is laughable at best. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 0:58:30 GMT
Whether there were more stakes is a subjective thing. Yes, and now they can never use those two important characters ever again, showing how short-sighted they are. Excuse Marvel for playing the long game. Yeah, i mean you have to stretch them until you can because that's great moviemaking. You gotta use them till people get sick of them. Fuck the writers. ...You're an idiot. So, if the writers are so against having the characters survive more than one movie at a time, show me an interview or social media of one of the MCU writers displaying ANY displeasure at Ironman's continued survival. Oh, wait, you can't, because you don't speak for the writers. So it's not "fuck the writers," it's Fuck medjay. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 1:01:15 GMT
No, I'm just tired of people acting like the very existence of a cinematic universe is an affront to nature. If you don't like the Marvel films, just stop watching them. You'll save money and your time. They are an affront to nature if you look at the history of movie making. The existence of the movie serials of old, the old Universal Monster Cinematic Universe, and the old Godzilla Cinematic Universe all say otherwise. Must suck not being able to speak for everyone. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 25, 2017 2:26:07 GMT
So what. If I want to pay $12 to watch a large budget comic book on a big screen, I will.
It's not like these things are stealing Oscars or bumping off indie flicks being made. It's actually giving A listers cash on the side so they can star in &/or produce smaller craftier films.
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Post by Phoenix101 on Mar 25, 2017 3:13:45 GMT
Isn't Zack Snyder trying to do something different for the genre but everyone else criticizes him for it? |
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Post by The Duck of Death on Mar 25, 2017 4:44:59 GMT
Isn't Zack Snyder trying to do something different for the genre but everyone else criticizes him for it? Trying, but far from succeeding. |
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