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Post by Fox in the Snow on Aug 17, 2018 10:21:55 GMT
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Post by mslo79 on Aug 17, 2018 10:35:16 GMT
mikef6But the left basically calls republicans in general "racist" for just about anything nowadays to the point you just don't hear them because the vast majority of the time they claim racism, it's not actually racism. like they seem to act like only white/Christian/conservatives can be racist. basically many on the left think it's okay to be against that and if a white/Christian/conservative make a comment that can be interpreted as slightly negative about another race in the slightest, your basically labeled a racist by the left. I am not aware of anyone who says that. people can debate, but the left is all about silencing opposing views. the left on the other hand does it here and there to conservatives on social media and when they get called out for disabling conservatives accounts who done nothing wrong they kiss up and claim they are sorry etc, but yet it continues as they are not sorry as they are only sorry they got caught. the left just wants to silence any opposing views. or put it this way... someone is more likely to lose their job for being conservative than liberal. that pretty much tells you who's the more intolerant of the two. or you see those occasions where conservatives are eating at restaurants and the left comes in and starts acting up etc. or those on the left who stop conservatives giving speeches at colleges etc as they are probably afraid people will listen (since the truth is pretty much on the conservatives side) so they turn to violence to stop it. it's pretty clear which side is oppressing the other nowadays and as time passes the left gets worse. It's simply about screen presence... white people tend to generally connect the most with most viewers here in the USA. sure, there are exceptions to this norm though. but as far as women replacing males... it depends on the movie etc. if it's something iconic and clearly known for being male, it needs to stay that way. or those on the left trying to push for someone like Idris Elba to play James Bond. you just don't screw with a iconic character like that.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 17, 2018 13:07:05 GMT
Actually, that's exactly what being PC is. Just be nice enough. But as Mr. Rogers proved, being PC does not stifle creativity. And Mr. Rogers fully believed we can all be a Mr. Rogers. I am nice enough and maybe even a little bit more than that. I harbor zero compulsion towards being PC. I don't need to. It feels like PC is, at its very core, practically the definition of the word disingenuous. Not interested. That's great. However, there are people who still want to shout hateful and ignorant things and they feel they should suffer no consequences for it. But that's not how societies work. And there's nothing disingenuous about learning to be nice to one another.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 17, 2018 13:10:38 GMT
mikef6 But the left basically calls republicans in general "racist" for just about anything nowadays to the point you just don't hear them because the vast majority of the time they claim racism, it's not actually racism. like they seem to act like only white/Christian/conservatives can be racist. basically many on the left think it's okay to be against that and if a white/Christian/conservative make a comment that can be interpreted as slightly negative about another race in the slightest, your basically labeled a racist by the left. I am not aware of anyone who says that. people can debate, but the left is all about silencing opposing views. the left on the other hand does it here and there to conservatives on social media and when they get called out for disabling conservatives accounts who done nothing wrong they kiss up and claim they are sorry etc, but yet it continues as they are not sorry as they are only sorry they got caught. the left just wants to silence any opposing views. or put it this way... someone is more likely to lose their job for being conservative than liberal. that pretty much tells you who's the more intolerant of the two. or you see those occasions where conservatives are eating at restaurants and the left comes in and starts acting up etc. or those on the left who stop conservatives giving speeches at colleges etc as they are probably afraid people will listen (since the truth is pretty much on the conservatives side) so they turn to violence to stop it. it's pretty clear which side is oppressing the other nowadays and as time passes the left gets worse. It's simply about screen presence... white people tend to generally connect the most with most viewers here in the USA. sure, there are exceptions to this norm though. but as far as women replacing males... it depends on the movie etc. if it's something iconic and clearly known for being male, it needs to stay that way. or those on the left trying to push for someone like Idris Elba to play James Bond. you just don't screw with a iconic character like that. Yes, you do. The character's been revised many times over the years and is practically nothing like he was when he first debuted. If the only problem is his skin color, well, that's the very definition of racist.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Aug 17, 2018 13:44:50 GMT
Each instance would need its own examination to address those questions, and different people would still reach different conclusions. In general, I'd say no, but you may not consider me the right person to ask: I still don't think it was reasonable for 63 million people to have cast votes for the Republican nominee in 2016, but they did. And probably tens of millions of those would still consider it reasonable to "lock her up" if the Democratic one was thrown into prison tomorrow without conviction, trial or charges, even if I and more tens of millions of others don't. But as any number of en masse exhibitions of public emotion have demonstrated, it's reasonable to expect people whose passions have been inflamed to do unreasonable things. For example, it was once considered "politically correct" - that is to say, acceptable - by a good portion of the south to conduct lynchings and other abuses purely on the basis of skin color. I don't call that reasonable, but those who conducted and cheered them, even proudly posing for photographs to commemorate them, did. Happily, time and enlightenment brought changes to what's considered "politically correct." I'm not a conservative or Republican if you were gambling on that by the way. Anyway, okay, so when people have reactions that we don't consider reasonable, what should we do? Say that we're in the South in the 1930s and folks are lynching a black man just because he "dared to talk to a white woman," and most folks around us seem to be accepting of that fact, at least the local law enforcement, so that it does more bad than good for us personally in that situation to raise a fuss with them about it. Should we just sit by and say, "Well, that's their reaction. Nothin' we can do but accept it"? It wasn't my intention to gamble on your politics in any way. It's simply that examples of unreasonable behavior are so much easier to find on the right. To your final question, what we do is exactly what they did: bring about the changes in society and attitudes that eventually rendered such events unacceptable. It's usually a very long process.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 17, 2018 13:52:34 GMT
I'm not a conservative or Republican if you were gambling on that by the way. Anyway, okay, so when people have reactions that we don't consider reasonable, what should we do? Say that we're in the South in the 1930s and folks are lynching a black man just because he "dared to talk to a white woman," and most folks around us seem to be accepting of that fact, at least the local law enforcement, so that it does more bad than good for us personally in that situation to raise a fuss with them about it. Should we just sit by and say, "Well, that's their reaction. Nothin' we can do but accept it"? It wasn't my intention to gamble on your politics in any way. It's simply that examples of unreasonable behavior are so much easier to find on the right. To your final question, what we do is exactly what they did: bring about the changes in society and attitudes that eventually rendered such events unacceptable. It's usually a very long process. Right--we don't just accept certain reactions. We try to bring about changes, we try to influence society. That's what I'm trying to do re certain reactions to speech.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Aug 17, 2018 14:02:52 GMT
mslo79In just the past week, we've seen Republicans blocking Democratic access to the documents of Brett Kavanaugh, and Trump beginning to revoke the security clearances of opposing voices from the intelligence community and DOJ in attempts to intimidate them into silence. That's not merely rowdy students on college campuses or restaurant owners or patrons. That's the Republican-controlled government using the very levers of official authority to silence opposing views. Just as Nixon did 40-odd years ago. So much for "the truth is pretty much on the conservatives side."
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Post by Doghouse6 on Aug 17, 2018 14:08:58 GMT
It wasn't my intention to gamble on your politics in any way. It's simply that examples of unreasonable behavior are so much easier to find on the right. To your final question, what we do is exactly what they did: bring about the changes in society and attitudes that eventually rendered such events unacceptable. It's usually a very long process. Right--we don't just accept certain reactions. We try to bring about changes, we try to influence society. That's what I'm trying to do re certain reactions to speech. And we can all certainly have what are called reasonable disagreements about the best directions for those efforts to take.
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Post by dirtypillows on Aug 17, 2018 19:49:30 GMT
I am nice enough and maybe even a little bit more than that. I harbor zero compulsion towards being PC. I don't need to. It feels like PC is, at its very core, practically the definition of the word disingenuous. Not interested. That's great. However, there are people who still want to shout hateful and ignorant things and they feel they should suffer no consequences for it. But that's not how societies work. And there's nothing disingenuous about learning to be nice to one another. Yes, that is true. Your point is a good, valid point. And I guess it really doesn't bother me all that much IRL. Nice is nice, and I'm sure you are nice. It's when there's a felt need to bring PC into the creative realm that really makes want to RALPH!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 6:17:45 GMT
Sexism, racism and homophobia sure as hell don't belong in it but they spent decades putting that in everything from movies to TV shows to children's books which influenced a lot of the bullying and discrimination many of us faced and if it wasn't for them doing that PC wouldn't exist in the first place. Even now we still have rampant lesbiaphobia in movies and TV shows with 90 percent of lesbian characters in the past 5 years being victims to the 'bury your gays' trope or being fucked straight and while we might be getting a 'Batwoman' TV show now we are also getting a movie based on a novel about a guy who rapes a lesbian multiple times until she likes guys at the end so while TV might be changing Hollywood is just as lesbiaphobic as ever but oh, we better bury our heads in the sands over that...
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