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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 22, 2017 17:02:37 GMT
I realize this might offend some, but I mean to express that I honestly don't understand the support of being transgender.
I am a humanist, I support the ideas of freedom and life in general, and I fully support and completely understand the nature and lifestyle of gays and lesbians without question. I wish them all the happiness in the world and embrace them.
But being transgender is different. You're talking about not accepting what you are and trying to be something else. It's the opposite of why I support gay people. You're talking about surgery. You're talking about cutting off body parts to be something else. I really don't know how this isn't disturbing. Where is the line between that and a legitimate psychological problem?
And I honestly find it outrageous that people felt the need to give somebody like Jenner a woman of the year award. That's a joke right? There are great women out there accomplishing amazing things, and some guy who cut off his dick and put on a dress is the woman of the year? That's an outrage to women and their legitimate contributions to society.
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Post by bd74 on Mar 22, 2017 18:21:57 GMT
There are differences between the male brain and the female brain, and there have been studies done on the brains of male-to-female transgender people, and the results of those studies demonstrated that the brains of MTF trans people are like those of natural-born females.
Not all transgenders "cut off body parts" nor have a desire to. Jenner hasn't and probably won't. Some of them are comfortable with keeping the genitalia that they were born with especially because they would lose physical (read: sexual) sensation down there if they were to get surgery.
There are also people out there known as "intersex" -- what was once described as "hermaphrodites". Their genitalia and/or other bodily features are like a blend of both sexes. The point I'm trying to make is that nature doesn't always get it right. Nature makes mistakes sometimes. So, just because you personally aren't comfortable with the idea of a transgender person, it does not mean that they have a "mental illness" or that they don't have a right to undergo a transition. Just because you personally can't comprehend why such people would want to change themselves, it does not mean that they shouldn't be allowed to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 18:24:05 GMT
I realize this might offend some, but I mean to express that I honestly don't understand the support of being transgender.
I am a humanist, I support the ideas of freedom and life in general, and I fully support and completely understand the nature and lifestyle of gays and lesbians without question. I wish them all the happiness in the world and embrace them.
But being transgender is different. You're talking about not accepting what you are and trying to be something else. It's the opposite of why I support gay people. You're talking about surgery. You're talking about cutting off body parts to be something else. I really don't know how this isn't disturbing. Where is the line between that and a legitimate psychological problem?
And I honestly find it outrageous that people felt the need to give somebody like Jenner a woman of the year award. That's a joke right? There are great women out there accomplishing amazing things, and some guy who cut off his dick and put on a dress is the woman of the year? That's an outrage to women and their legitimate contributions to society. Homophobe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 19:48:30 GMT
I realize this might offend some, but I mean to express that I honestly don't understand the support of being transgender.
I am a humanist, I support the ideas of freedom and life in general, and I fully support and completely understand the nature and lifestyle of gays and lesbians without question. I wish them all the happiness in the world and embrace them. Apparently this is true until they do something you don't agree with. Thing is, you either support people's freedom to be who they feel they are, or you don't. Saying "I support it up to a point" is just a roundabout way of saying you don't actually support other people's freedom. That's one viewpoint. It's not one they have. I speak from personal experience, having known a couple of transgender (MtF) people.
To a transgender person, their male body is wrong. It feels alien to them. Much as you'd feel if I could transplant your brain into a woman's body. Would you be like "Oh, I'm a woman now, so I'll just get one with being a woman"? Of course not. And this isn't some whim. Transgender people feel this so strongly and fundamentally that a great many of them wind up committing suicide if they are denied the chance to live as they want to live. Now, I get that you don't agree with it or think it's right, for whatever reason. But it does no harm to you, so really, what's the big problem with just taking a live and let live approach?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 20:02:35 GMT
Just another means at the disposal of Leftard's to create division in society.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 22, 2017 20:23:05 GMT
I realize this might offend some, but I mean to express that I honestly don't understand the support of being transgender.
I am a humanist, I support the ideas of freedom and life in general, and I fully support and completely understand the nature and lifestyle of gays and lesbians without question. I wish them all the happiness in the world and embrace them.
But being transgender is different. You're talking about not accepting what you are and trying to be something else. It's the opposite of why I support gay people. You're talking about surgery. You're talking about cutting off body parts to be something else. I really don't know how this isn't disturbing. Where is the line between that and a legitimate psychological problem?
And I honestly find it outrageous that people felt the need to give somebody like Jenner a woman of the year award. That's a joke right? There are great women out there accomplishing amazing things, and some guy who cut off his dick and put on a dress is the woman of the year? That's an outrage to women and their legitimate contributions to society. Homophobe. Somebody didn't read.
You know trying to railroad conversations by name calling and talking over people is a prime example of not listening to others.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 22, 2017 20:31:35 GMT
I realize this might offend some, but I mean to express that I honestly don't understand the support of being transgender.
I am a humanist, I support the ideas of freedom and life in general, and I fully support and completely understand the nature and lifestyle of gays and lesbians without question. I wish them all the happiness in the world and embrace them. Apparently this is true until they do something you don't agree with. Thing is, you either support people's freedom to be who they feel they are, or you don't. Saying "I support it up to a point" is just a roundabout way of saying you don't actually support other people's freedom. That's one viewpoint. It's not one they have. I speak from personal experience, having known a couple of transgender (MtF) people.
To a transgender person, their male body is wrong. It feels alien to them. Much as you'd feel if I could transplant your brain into a woman's body. Would you be like "Oh, I'm a woman now, so I'll just get one with being a woman"? Of course not. And this isn't some whim. Transgender people feel this so strongly and fundamentally that a great many of them wind up committing suicide if they are denied the chance to live as they want to live. Now, I get that you don't agree with it or think it's right, for whatever reason. But it does no harm to you, so really, what's the big problem with just taking a live and let live approach? Who isn't taking a live and let live approach? I never understand why people like you always respond as though people like me are doing anything more than just asking a question and trying to understand. Nobody is talking about passing laws. Relax.
Your response saying I'm the one with the problem and only allow freedom up to a point, is missing the point. If somebody thinks they are the reincarnation of Elvis you know full well you would feel they were crazy. But when somebody feels they are a woman, you think I'm not supposed to even ask a question about it or else I'm the one in the wrong for asking it. Please check your politically correct bullshit before responding. Now, your analogy of putting my brain into a female body doesn't work at all because I've lived my whole live as a man, so yes, obviously it would feel alien. That does not apply to somebody who has lived their whole life as a man and still feels that they are a woman. So with that in mind can you help me understand why thinking you're elvis is crazy but thinking you're a woman shouldn't even be second guessed?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 21:09:43 GMT
Who isn't taking a live and let live approach? You aren't, when you post something that says "Everyone deserves freedom... but not transgenders", which is what the OP said. If you were "just asking questions" then you'd just have asked a question. You chose instead to make statements of fact like "But being transgender is different" instead of "is it different?", and "You're talking about not accepting what you are and trying to be something else", instead of "can somebody explain to me how..." and so on. I have no wish to judge you harshly, or for this to turn into you and I attacking one another. Perhaps you honestly meant to ask questions and gain understanding, and didn't realise the way it came across. And perhaps my reply came across overly harsh in response; if that is so, then I apologise for the misunderstanding. Actually I wouldn't. Plenty of perfectly sane people believe in reincarnation, or any one of a number of other religious beliefs. I think those beliefs are delusional, but I don't hold every religious person to be insane. But I take your point that people can make claims that are obviously indicative of being less than compos mentis. I don't see any reason to think that transgender people fall into this category, however. What is so insane about the claim being made by a transgender person? What they are saying is, essentially, that they have a female mind (I'm speaking only of MtF in the way I talk about this not to exclude FtM, but for brevity and because all the TGs I've known have been MtF). There's some evidence that they actually have "female brains". But set that aside. Their mind feels female to them, and their own bodies feel wrong because they aren't female. And yes, this is often something they have lived with for much if not all of their lives. Often they don't quite realise what is happening until later in life, because it's not really as simple as saying "Oh, I feel like a girl, I must be transgender." Rather, they go through years and years of feeling "wrong", without really knowing why that is. Once they identify the problem most of them will tell you they've felt that way since childhood. And in passing, I find it amazing that anti-TG types will rail about how "they spent all their life male and just decided one day they were girls! Well I'm an attack helicopter because that's the same!" And yet if anybody ever dares to suggest that a male child has transgender feelings and may identify as a female, there is a cascade of "OH MY GOD THEY HAVE CONVINCED THIS BOY HE'S A GIRL HIS PARENTS ARE OBVIOUSLY PC MORONS THEY ARE ABUSING HIM!!!!" Not accusing you of that, just saying make your damn minds up, people! So yes... they feel like their mind is female. How does this make them insane? If a man tells me he is (to use the example so beloved of the anti TG folks) an attack helicopter then he's obviously crazy.... because he doesn't have the body of an attack helicopter, obviously, and he doesn't have the mind of an attack helicopter, since attack helicopters don't have minds. But it a man tells me he has the mind of a woman... what am I suppose to object to? Men have minds. Women have minds. The people who typically rail against transgenders are usually the same people who fall over themselves to assure us that men's minds and women's minds are fundamentally different to one another. If one accepts those things then it is clearly within the bounds of possibility that a male body could possess a female mind, isn't it? And no, Transgender men don't believe that after surgery they have a "real" woman's body. They're painfully aware that it's cosmetic and don't claim otherwise. So I'm not seeing the insane part of all this.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 22, 2017 21:12:53 GMT
Who isn't taking a live and let live approach? You aren't, when you post something that says "Everyone deserves freedom... but not transgenders", which is what the OP said. If you were "just asking questions" then you'd just have asked a question. You chose instead to make statements of fact like "But being transgender is different" instead of "is it different?", and "You're talking about not accepting what you are and trying to be something else", instead of "can somebody explain to me how..." and so on. I have no wish to judge you harshly, or for this to turn into you and I attacking one another. Perhaps you honestly meant to ask questions and gain understanding, and didn't realise the way it came across. And perhaps my reply came across overly harsh in response; if that is so, then I apologise for the misunderstanding. Actually I wouldn't. Plenty of perfectly sane people believe in reincarnation, or any one of a number of other religious beliefs. I think those beliefs are delusional, but I don't hold every religious person to be insane. But I take your point that people can make claims that are obviously indicative of being less than compos mentis. I don't see any reason to think that transgender people fall into this category, however. What is so insane about the claim being made by a transgender person? What they are saying is, essentially, that they have a female mind (I'm speaking only of MtF in the way I talk about this not to exclude FtM, but for brevity and because all the TGs I've known have been MtF). There's some evidence that they actually have "female brains". But set that aside. Their mind feels female to them, and their own bodies feel wrong because they aren't female. And yes, this is often something they have lived with for much if not all of their lives. Often they don't quite realise what is happening until later in life, because it's not really as simple as saying "Oh, I feel like a girl, I must be transgender." Rather, they go through years and years of feeling "wrong", without really knowing why that is. Once they identify the problem most of them will tell you they've felt that way since childhood. And in passing, I find it amazing that anti-TG types will rail about how "they spent all their life male and just decided one day they were girls! Well I'm an attack helicopter because that's the same!" And yet if anybody ever dares to suggest that a male child has transgender feelings and may identify as a female, there is a cascade of "OH MY GOD THEY HAVE CONVINCED THIS BOY HE'S A GIRL HIS PARENTS ARE OBVIOUSLY PC MORONS THEY ARE ABUSING HIM!!!!" Not accusing you of that, just saying make your damn minds up, people! So yes... they feel like their mind is female. How does this make them insane? If a man tells me he is (to use the example so beloved of the anti TG folks) an attack helicopter then he's obviously crazy.... because he doesn't have the body of an attack helicopter, obviously, and he doesn't have the mind of an attack helicopter, since attack helicopters don't have minds. But it a man tells me he has the mind of a woman... what am I suppose to object to? Men have minds. Women have minds. The people who typically rail against transgenders are usually the same people who fall over themselves to assure us that men's minds and women's minds are fundamentally different to one another. If one accepts those things then it is clearly within the bounds of possibility that a male body could possess a female mind, isn't it? And no, Transgender men don't believe that after surgery they have a "real" woman's body. They're painfully aware that it's cosmetic and don't claim otherwise. So I'm not seeing the insane part of all this. I'm the OP and I didn't say they didn't deserve freedom. That's completely different than saying it shouldn't be questioned. The KKK has freedom, but we still question it.
Again, just realize you're supporting somebody who wants to have reconstructive surgery because they feel they are something different, whereas I am encouraging them to be happy with they are. What if they felt they were a dog? I'm sure you'd realize the insane part then.
I love how you support the elvis believer. SURE WHY NOT. Just any insane belief is fine. No worries. Let's just all run around thinking whatever the fuck insane irrational shit we want. Great.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 21:17:32 GMT
Again, just realize you're supporting somebody who wants to have reconstructive surgery because they feel they are something different, whereas I am encouraging them to be happy with they are. What if they felt they were a dog? I'm sure you'd realize the insane part then.
I gave you an extensive answer to this exact question in the post above. Ignoring it only to repost the same one line argument really just goes to demonstrate that you're not "asking questions" and not interested in answers. You're posting an opinion disguised as questions, and apparently an opinion with nothing to back it up. What a waste of a thread.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 22, 2017 21:30:23 GMT
Again, just realize you're supporting somebody who wants to have reconstructive surgery because they feel they are something different, whereas I am encouraging them to be happy with they are. What if they felt they were a dog? I'm sure you'd realize the insane part then.
I gave you an extensive answer to this exact question in the post above. Ignoring it only to repost the same one line argument really just goes to demonstrate that you're not "asking questions" and not interested in answers. You're posting an opinion disguised as questions, and apparently an opinion with nothing to back it up. What a waste of a thread. Yeah I read your extensive answer, and it really didn't change anything for me. It's still encouraging people to not accept themselves as who they are.
I don't know why you're doing that and acting like it's a good thing.
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Post by NishmatHaChalil on Mar 22, 2017 22:32:33 GMT
If you were "just asking questions" then you'd just have asked a question. You chose instead to make statements of fact like "But being transgender is different" instead of "is it different?", and "You're talking about not accepting what you are and trying to be something else", instead of "can somebody explain to me how..." and so on. So true! Moreover, it should really be mentioned that, when one talks about giving or not giving support for a social group, or about whether or not they should be considered diseased merely for who they are, or receive the medical and social care they would like to receive, as opposed to that one thinks is right, one necessarily is talking about passing laws. Whether they are conscious of it when doing so, or whether they like it or not is beside the point. Transgender people, for their part, are always conscious of it, since they don't really have a choice, as they are the ones being affected by these laws. The fact that cis people are mostly unaffected is what makes it possible for them to happily ignore the legal weight of their speech. Now you sound like a priest. Why should they accept their bodies? And why does your rule (since that's what it is) of self-acceptance applies to their bodies, but not to their minds and their identities? Trangender people strive to accept who they are, and it's not easy, because, more often than not, who they are is not compatible with the bodies they were born with. Why should they value their bodies over all of the psychological factors that make them who they are? And why do you ignore all of the scientific evidence that even implies, strengthening their self-perception, that their brains really are more like those of most opposed chromosomal sex cis people? Should we just leave them to suffer for being who they are despite their bodies and social discrimination? Or should we force them into accepting their bodies in detriment of their whole psychology, thus forcing them to change who they are? Or, like we already do (or, in more conservative countries, strive to do), we should let them know their options and what medicine, psychology and social planning can do for them in order to help them live their lives as the people they are according to their identity? Also, if you support homosexual people just because they happen to behave in accordance to your personal rule of thumb of how they should behave, then you are supporting them for the wrong reasons. Which is better than not supporting them, mind you, but still, it does not change the fact that the reason is wrong. Both transgender and homosexual people need to be supported because they want to be who they are, without damaging anyone else, in the way that most closely conforms to their identities. And who are you to say that maintaining the purity of their bodies matter more to who they are than their whole psychology and whole identity? If you are just going to say they are damaging themselves (which is the argument of anti-TG and even anti-LGBT churches), but will not present any evidence that they actually feel worse after undergoing surgery (and not all transgender people even undergo sex reassignment or feel the need to), controlling for other factors (like discrimination and violence), then the only difference between you and these churches is that they are organizations and hold more power, while you are a mere individual. The justification speech is all the same, however, and contributes to impair TG people’s ongoing fight for civil and medical rights.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 1:07:34 GMT
Yeah I read your extensive answer, and it really didn't change anything for me. Of course not. I doubt there is anything anybody could say that would change anything about this topic for you. As I said, you're not actually here to ask questions - asking questions is what one does when one wants to learn. You are here to state an opinion and dismiss anything that counters it. Hmmm, on careful consideration, I think this merits dropping my earlier efforts at a sincere dialogue. Instead I'm going to engage in a rare (for me) bit of verbal excess. Just who the fuck are you to tell other people who they are? You don't get to define other people, and trying to do so makes you an asshole. So take that attitude and fuck right off. You've done nothing but lie about your intentions in this thread. You're a scumbag of the highest order, and your words are not worth my time. So take your holier than thou attitude shove it up your rectum, if you can find space up there next to your head. Treating other people with respect when they've done nothing to deserve otherwise is a good thing. Not that you'd appear to understand that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 1:12:20 GMT
Hear hear. What I find interesting is that it's the mainly religious right who have decided to hate on Transgender people. And yet their argument is entirely based on the idea that a person is defined wholly by their physical body. Quite an odd argument for that bunch to cling to, really.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 23, 2017 4:46:57 GMT
Yeah I read your extensive answer, and it really didn't change anything for me. Of course not. I doubt there is anything anybody could say that would change anything about this topic for you. As I said, you're not actually here to ask questions - asking questions is what one does when one wants to learn. You are here to state an opinion and dismiss anything that counters it. Hmmm, on careful consideration, I think this merits dropping my earlier efforts at a sincere dialogue. Instead I'm going to engage in a rare (for me) bit of verbal excess. Just who the fuck are you to tell other people who they are? You don't get to define other people, and trying to do so makes you an asshole. So take that attitude and fuck right off. You've done nothing but lie about your intentions in this thread. You're a scumbag of the highest order, and your words are not worth my time. So take your holier than thou attitude shove it up your rectum, if you can find space up there next to your head. Treating other people with respect when they've done nothing to deserve otherwise is a good thing. Not that you'd appear to understand that. Treating people with respect includes keeping them from harming themselves.
You seem to think anything somebody wants to do to themselves is ok as long as they want to do it. So I guess we should stop fighting heroine addicts. I mean it makes them feel good right?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 5:02:07 GMT
Jenner still has a penis
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 11:12:20 GMT
Hear hear. What I find interesting is that it's the mainly religious right who have decided to hate on Transgender people. And yet their argument is entirely based on the idea that a person is defined wholly by their physical body. Quite an odd argument for that bunch to cling to, really. Not really, they get obsessed with stem cells and DNA too. They'll just think it's humans playing against God's design or something. And this thread is as dumb as bricks. SRS is the final thing that happens. It's necessary usually due to stress on the liver caused by the anti-androgen. Male and female parts are analogous so it's not a complicated procedure (ftm transition is much more difficult)
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Post by NishmatHaChalil on Mar 23, 2017 13:10:32 GMT
Hear hear. What I find interesting is that it's the mainly religious right who have decided to hate on Transgender people. And yet their argument is entirely based on the idea that a person is defined wholly by their physical body. Quite an odd argument for that bunch to cling to, really. I completely agree! It reminds me of the words of one of my dearest History teachers regarding the catholic far right’s frequent claims on the “spiritual decadence” of modernity here in our country – “These men have spent centuries obsessed with the state of every woman’s hymen, yet they dare to say they are spiritual and care less than we do about the body? We, materialist as we are, are much more ‘spiritual’ than them”. I’m an agnostic atheist, and an inveterate materialist myself, and I do believe our mind is defined by our brain function and all of the information it has stored during our growth. However, people of the religious and/or racist right, it seems to me, only pretend to care about biology at all, happily ignoring all of the complexity of the brain and all the different ways it defines who we are. And if our brain and its cognitive byproduct, our mind, is to face irreversible, even lethal changes in order to conform to their beliefs, they don’t even care. They care only about that which is publicly observable and important to their personal belief system. True. That goes not only for HRT, which presents a far greater propensity to adverse effects than SR itself, but also for the social and psychological dimensions of the transition. That still does not mean HRT and identity acceptance are not viable options, however. TG people are already TG before the process begins, and they are informed about the possible adverse effects beforehand. Some choose not to undergo HRT, and they are no less TG for that, while others choose to do so nevertheless, because having compatible minds and bodies is still more important for them. If OP and other anti-TG people were to acknowledge that, however, they would also have to account for other variables and, worst of all, actually face the legal implications of their "arguments", thus threatening their preset beliefs, which is probably part of the reason why they don’t. Deep down, they care only about their own rules about how the human body should be. Nothing else about TG people matters to them. So you want to freely compare TG people to drug addicts and even the KKK, but you still wants to be treated nicely? Awfully convenient, isn't it? In your transphobia, and in the mindset that underlies it, you are no different than any right-wing priest or nazi sympathizer out there, and, if anyone here is close in attitude to the KKK, it’s you. You suggest TG people are harming themselves, but you present no evidence whatsoever to your bold claims, ignoring meanwhile all of the evidence presented otherwise. The truth is, you do not even care at all about whether TG people are harming themselves or not. After all, you conveniently ignored all of the evidence regarding TG suicide under identity control. You care only about whether they live in accordance to your conservative personal rules on how other people should live their lives, and if they have to die for it, so be it. I know why you ignore every argument cast against you. It’s because you have neither the courage nor the rationality to actually face the implications of your speech, which still helps to kill and segregate people all over the world. What cowardice! And no, we don’t think people should do whatever they want to as long as it makes them feel nice. That’s what you believe in. You believe you can and should fight TG people’s rights despite the harm your behavior brings towards society, only because it makes you feel nice to think people are “accepting themselves”. Yay, good for you! And worse, unlike being TG, your attitude is your choice. Granted, it is influenced by society and your upbringing, but it still is your choice. You are harming yourself by making that choice, yes, though the harm you do to yourself is insignificant enough for you to prioritize keeping your irrational beliefs intact. The harm you do to thousands of people all over the world, however, is both unimaginably damaging and, in thousands of cases, lethal. So do forgive us if we fight you and your attitudes and if we don’t treat you as nicely as you think we should. You are contributing to the death and despair of other people both by your choice of expression and by its consequences on law and societal pressure, and, while you are not ready to face it, we are. TG people are TG whether or not we do anything to them. The reason we offer them the opportunity to transition and to relocate and, if they feel the need to, to undergo HRT and SRS is because we would be harming them otherwise. We would be causing them to feel unimaginable despair and we would be driving them to suicide. We do procedures with a far greater propensity to adverse effects on other people in order for them to have better chances at living the life they want to, but people do not argue against that because, even in the extremely problematic society we live in, that would right away be seen as absurd. You are not entitled to decide what counts as harm and what doesn’t, and the fact you don’t even have the courage to face the implications and consequences of your speech only makes all your views on the matter null by default. And, do recall, you are harming others! Not according to anyone's irrational opinion, mind you, but according to all the social, clinical and psychological data we have about TG and the negative consequences they face due to this kind of attitude, including suicide. People like me should speak against you. Casting all of the evidence at you at every opportunity is my social responsibility. After you ignore all of it and continue spouting your nonsensical, dangerous, repressive dogmas, treating you like the controlling and harmful bigot you act as is the least, really, that one can do. Which does not mean we should stalk you online and throw insults at you, but it does mean that, every time you make a statement like that, we are completely entitled to oppose you. And do bear in mind that you are in no place to criticize religious people for believing in what they believe. Being religious, more often than not, is against a proper parsimonious/probabilistic/Bayesian interpretation of scientific data, but it isn’t, by itself, harmful. Your beliefs, for their part, since they throw all of the available data in the trash can, are even more irrational, and, by their implications and consequences, are unconceivably, really, unconceivably harmful. At least on this point, you are no better than any of the most destructive religious posters we have at IMDB, and you are not acting like you deserve a different treatment than the one they do. And, finally, we don't even fight heroin addicts. We offer them medical and psychological support, and, during the rehab program, we even offer them other drugs in order to diminish their suffering. Not that you actually care one iota about addicts or TG people, either way. You only care about whether or not they are living according to your rules and whether or not they make you feel nice by conforming to your personal irrational beliefs about the need of “self-acceptance”.
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Post by ProjectError on Mar 23, 2017 19:58:48 GMT
I realize this might offend some, but I mean to express that I honestly don't understand the support of being transgender.
I am a humanist, I support the ideas of freedom and life in general, and I fully support and completely understand the nature and lifestyle of gays and lesbians without question. I wish them all the happiness in the world and embrace them.
But being transgender is different. You're talking about not accepting what you are and trying to be something else. It's the opposite of why I support gay people. You're talking about surgery. You're talking about cutting off body parts to be something else. I really don't know how this isn't disturbing. Where is the line between that and a legitimate psychological problem?
And I honestly find it outrageous that people felt the need to give somebody like Jenner a woman of the year award. That's a joke right? There are great women out there accomplishing amazing things, and some guy who cut off his dick and put on a dress is the woman of the year? That's an outrage to women and their legitimate contributions to society. Homophobe. Can't tell if trolling, but transphobic would've been what you were meaning to say. She's obviously not homophobic if you read it. Transgender and homosexuality aren't related to one another.
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