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Post by ProjectError on Mar 23, 2017 19:58:48 GMT
I realize this might offend some, but I mean to express that I honestly don't understand the support of being transgender.
I am a humanist, I support the ideas of freedom and life in general, and I fully support and completely understand the nature and lifestyle of gays and lesbians without question. I wish them all the happiness in the world and embrace them.
But being transgender is different. You're talking about not accepting what you are and trying to be something else. It's the opposite of why I support gay people. You're talking about surgery. You're talking about cutting off body parts to be something else. I really don't know how this isn't disturbing. Where is the line between that and a legitimate psychological problem?
And I honestly find it outrageous that people felt the need to give somebody like Jenner a woman of the year award. That's a joke right? There are great women out there accomplishing amazing things, and some guy who cut off his dick and put on a dress is the woman of the year? That's an outrage to women and their legitimate contributions to society. Homophobe. Can't tell if trolling, but transphobic would've been what you were meaning to say. She's obviously not homophobic if you read it. Transgender and homosexuality aren't related to one another. |
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Mar 23, 2017 20:21:03 GMT
Eh. I just say live and let live.
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Post by scienceisgod on Mar 23, 2017 21:54:42 GMT
Eh. I just say live and let live. We can't. Obamacare puts us on the hook for wealth transfers to Big Pharma on behalf of these people. The psychiatry alone makes each one of them a customer for life. Obamacare mandates psychiatric coverage, and it mandates psychiatric coverage at full financial parity with physical coverage. "Do you like to play with blocks or dolls? That will be $5000 please". How many health problems are these people going to have down the line when they take the whole laundry list of pharmaceuticals? That's what got them sick in the first place. When fish and frogs are born in waterways polluted with birth control pills, they come out transgender too. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 17:59:18 GMT
There are differences between the male brain and the female brain, and there have been studies done on the brains of male-to-female transgender people, and the results of those studies demonstrated that the brains of MTF trans people are like those of natural-born females. Not all transgenders "cut off body parts" nor have a desire to. Jenner hasn't and probably won't. Some of them are comfortable with keeping the genitalia that they were born with especially because they would lose physical (read: sexual) sensation down there if they were to get surgery. There are also people out there known as "intersex" -- what was once described as "hermaphrodites". Their genitalia and/or other bodily features are like a blend of both sexes. The point I'm trying to make is that nature doesn't always get it right. Nature makes mistakes sometimes. So, just because you personally aren't comfortable with the idea of a transgender person, it does not mean that they have a "mental illness" or that they don't have a right to undergo a transition. Just because you personally can't comprehend why such people would want to change themselves, it does not mean that they shouldn't be allowed to do it. Caitlyn Jenner still has Bruce's penis? Okay that makes little sense. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 25, 2017 0:32:05 GMT
I realize this might offend some, but I mean to express that I honestly don't understand the support of being transgender.
I am a humanist, I support the ideas of freedom and life in general, and I fully support and completely understand the nature and lifestyle of gays and lesbians without question. I wish them all the happiness in the world and embrace them.
But being transgender is different. You're talking about not accepting what you are and trying to be something else. It's the opposite of why I support gay people. You're talking about surgery. You're talking about cutting off body parts to be something else. I really don't know how this isn't disturbing. Where is the line between that and a legitimate psychological problem?
And I honestly find it outrageous that people felt the need to give somebody like Jenner a woman of the year award. That's a joke right? There are great women out there accomplishing amazing things, and some guy who cut off his dick and put on a dress is the woman of the year? That's an outrage to women and their legitimate contributions to society. I am gay and I also understand where you are coming from. Yes, it is disturbing, but for some reason, TG'd expect others to get them. They do have some very serious psychological issues. I can accept a transgendered person for their life and humanity, just not understand or respect the serious mutilation they have done to their sex. How can they possibly expect a vast majority of humans in the world, who do appreciate the body they are born with, to embrace and honor their transition into a fake gender, and not question the psychology or even ethics behind it? Jenner is a narcissist and he hasn't even had a cut and tuck yet as far as I'm concerned, so that gives him even less privilege to be woman of the year. It is a f<>king farce. Regardless, he will still always be genetically male, even if he psychologically identifies as a woman. But yes, that is all in his mind. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 25, 2017 0:34:36 GMT
Can't tell if trolling, but transphobic would've been what you were meaning to say. She's obviously not homophobic if you read it. Transgender and homosexuality aren't related to one another.Exactly, and that is why TG is a scourge and pestilence on the homosexual community. |
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Post by NishmatHaChalil on Mar 25, 2017 1:52:20 GMT
I am gay and I also understand where you are coming from. Yes, it is disturbing, but for some reason, TG'd expect others to get them. They do have some very serious psychological issues. I can accept a transgendered person for their life and humanity, just not understand or respect the serious mutilation they have done to their sex. How can they possibly expect a vast majority of humans in the world, who do appreciate the body they are born with, to embrace and honor their transition into a fake gender, and not question the psychology or even ethics behind it? Jenner is a narcissist and he hasn't even had a cut and tuck yet as far as I'm concerned, so that gives him even less privilege to be woman of the year. It is a f<>king farce. Regardless, he will still always be genetically male, even if he psychologically identifies as a woman. But yes, that is all in his mind. Exactly, and that is why TG is a scourge and pestilence on the homosexual community. Heh  Cute. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 25, 2017 1:59:01 GMT
I am gay and I also understand where you are coming from. Yes, it is disturbing, but for some reason, TG'd expect others to get them. They do have some very serious psychological issues. I can accept a transgendered person for their life and humanity, just not understand or respect the serious mutilation they have done to their sex. How can they possibly expect a vast majority of humans in the world, who do appreciate the body they are born with, to embrace and honor their transition into a fake gender, and not question the psychology or even ethics behind it? Jenner is a narcissist and he hasn't even had a cut and tuck yet as far as I'm concerned, so that gives him even less privilege to be woman of the year. It is a f<>king farce. Regardless, he will still always be genetically male, even if he psychologically identifies as a woman. But yes, that is all in his mind. Exactly, and that is why TG is a scourge and pestilence on the homosexual community. Heh Cute. Yes, you are a scourge and pestilence and even your choice of avatar even speaks volumes. It looks insidious, deceitful and devious to me. How sociopathic and passive aggressive of you to claim something is cute, when you are really boiling inside.  Get your NPD sorted out, before you get anything else extreme done to yourself. Troll! |
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Post by NishmatHaChalil on Mar 25, 2017 2:00:51 GMT
Yes, you are a scourge and pestilence and even your choice of avatar even speaks volumes. It looks insidious, deceitful and devious to me. How sociopathic and passive aggressive of you to claim something is cute, when you are really boiling inside. Get your NPD sorted out, before you get anything else extreme done to yourself. Troll! Heh heh Loving it. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 25, 2017 2:10:29 GMT
Yes, you are a scourge and pestilence and even your choice of avatar even speaks volumes. It looks insidious, deceitful and devious to me. How sociopathic and passive aggressive of you to claim something is cute, when you are really boiling inside. Get your NPD sorted out, before you get anything else extreme done to yourself. Troll! Heh heh Loving it. What are you loving? You don't know do you? You have now gone into typical denial and delusion mode and lack the self-awareness to see how boring and transparent you really are. You are a lost cause and a lost ideal and you will only ever be accepted by a select few and that will largely be within your own community. Wake up and smell the coffee sweetie. The world is not going to bend, for a very small group of self-entitled narcissists who didn't get they attention they so desperately craved as a child. Like I mentioned in a previous post, grow up! |
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Post by NishmatHaChalil on Mar 25, 2017 2:12:20 GMT
Heh heh Loving it. What are you loving? You don't know do you? You have now gone into typical denial and delusion mode and lack the self-awareness to see how boring and transparent you really are. You are a lost cause and a lost ideal and you will only ever be accepted by a select few and that will largely be within your own community. Wake up and smell the coffee sweetie. The world is not going to bend, for a very small group of self-entitled narcissists who didn't get they attention they so desperately craved as a child. Like I mentioned in a previous post, grow up! Heh heh heh |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 25, 2017 2:37:04 GMT
I realize this might offend some, but I mean to express that I honestly don't understand the support of being transgender.
I am a humanist, I support the ideas of freedom and life in general That's where you lost me. Doesn't seem to be any conflict here if you are an actual humanist. Live and let live, brother. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 25, 2017 6:03:52 GMT
What are you loving? You don't know do you? You have now gone into typical denial and delusion mode and lack the self-awareness to see how boring and transparent you really are. You are a lost cause and a lost ideal and you will only ever be accepted by a select few and that will largely be within your own community. Wake up and smell the coffee sweetie. The world is not going to bend, for a very small group of self-entitled narcissists who didn't get they attention they so desperately craved as a child. Like I mentioned in a previous post, grow up! Heh heh heh Look, an extra heh! How wicked!  |
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Post by NishmatHaChalil on Mar 25, 2017 9:54:48 GMT
Heh heh heh Look, an extra heh! How wicked! |
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Post by Jillian on Mar 25, 2017 9:56:33 GMT
I don´t either, but I think it is important to realize that one can´t know how another person is feeling and respect that as much as possible. Golden rule, easier said than done, but there it is.
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Post by NishmatHaChalil on Mar 25, 2017 10:58:56 GMT
I don´t either, but I think it is important to realize that one can´t know how another person is feeling and respect that as much as possible. Golden rule, easier said than done, but there it is. True! No one needs to “get” other people. As long as they are not harming others, they deserve respect. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 25, 2017 18:37:31 GMT
I am gay and I also understand where you are coming from. Yes, it is disturbing, but for some reason, TG'd expect others to get them. They do have some very serious psychological issues. I can accept a transgendered person for their life and humanity, just not understand or respect the serious mutilation they have done to their sex. How can they possibly expect a vast majority of humans in the world, who do appreciate the body they are born with, to embrace and honor their transition into a fake gender, and not question the psychology or even ethics behind it? Jenner is a narcissist and he hasn't even had a cut and tuck yet as far as I'm concerned, so that gives him even less privilege to be woman of the year. It is a f<>king farce. Regardless, he will still always be genetically male, even if he psychologically identifies as a woman. But yes, that is all in his mind. Well said.
How do people expect this to not be questioned? As though you and I are wrong for even asking.
Regarding being gay, I fully understand the completely natural process of that, and that nearly all animals have gay members of their species.
And crossdressing, hey whatever, whoever wants to can have a great time.
But mutilating yourself is something different. Being called the woman of the year is insulting to women.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 25, 2017 18:44:44 GMT
I realize this might offend some, but I mean to express that I honestly don't understand the support of being transgender.
I am a humanist, I support the ideas of freedom and life in general That's where you lost me. Doesn't seem to be any conflict here if you are an actual humanist. Live and let live, brother. Yeah, heroine addicts. live and let live brother Anorexics. live and let live brother. Multiple personality. live and let live brother.
Being a humanist doesn't mean you let self harm occur because it's their choice.
By saying live and let live, you're just being dismissive of the potential of an actual problem.
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Post by bd74 on Mar 25, 2017 18:45:24 GMT
Well said.
How do people expect this to not be questioned? As though you and I are wrong for even asking.
Regarding being gay, I fully understand the completely natural process of that, and that nearly all animals have gay members of their species.
And crossdressing, hey whatever, whoever wants to can have a great time.
But mutilating yourself is something different. Being called the woman of the year is insulting to women.
Jenner being named "woman of the year" has to do with whatever organization chose to call her that. That organization probably wanted to draw attention to themselves, since Jenner had made headlines after transitioning. But it has no bearing on transgenders themselves. And by the way, many people "mutilate themselves" all the time. Why should women be allowed to have their tubes tied, if that's not what nature intended? |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 25, 2017 21:41:50 GMT
Jenner being named "woman of the year" has to do with whatever organization chose to call her that. That organization probably wanted to draw attention to themselves, since Jenner had made headlines after transitioning. But it has no bearing on transgenders themselves. And by the way, many people "mutilate themselves" all the time. Why should women be allowed to have their tubes tied, if that's not what nature intended? Wow you're comparing a small surgical procedures to gender reassignment which in addition carries the idea that you are pretending to be something you aren't?
I guess we should complain about ear piercing and toenail clipping then. What a great point you just made.
And Jenner being named "woman of the year" is exactly the point. Promoting this as though there is absolutely nothing to question about it, is ridiculous.
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Cute.
