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Post by NishmatHaChalil on Mar 26, 2017 20:58:44 GMT
Perhaps I would not use those words, but that's fundamentally the view of all people not of your religion and mindset about the influence of your religion on matters of state. Since we officially won that fight in the West long ago, we thankfully have the upper hand in political debate when it comes to Laicism. And that's the reason why I wrote WHAT THEIR GOD made them. PS I dislike God, particularly the Christian one, if he infact exists. They don't necessarily have gods, nor do they necessarily hold such unscientific beliefs about body purity. That’s part of the reason why there is nothing wrong about being TG or presenting TG people with the best possible health and social care. |
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Post by NishmatHaChalil on Mar 26, 2017 21:05:11 GMT
ok. Enjoy that. Woooooooords Ok  But when you pretend you care about science or know your respective place in the scientific community, even though you don't do the neccessary homework, nor do you assume a position free of personal beliefs, or when you decide to post unscientific assumptions, suggestions, misguided questions, criticism and "questioning", I'm going to call it what it is, and I'm going to state the scientific, political and ethical implications of interest. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 26, 2017 21:44:41 GMT
ok. Enjoy that. Woooooooords Ok But when you pretend you care about science or know your respective place in the scientific community, even though you don't do the neccessary homework, nor do you assume a position free of personal beliefs, or when you decide to post unscientific assumptions, suggestions, misguided questions, criticism and "questioning", I'm going to call it what it is, and I'm going to state the scientific, political and ethical implications of interest. I do care about science. You just haven't presented your case in any coherent way that differentiates it from encouraging people to not accept who they are. You just ramble on and conflate ideas while saying I'm the one making assumptions. Sure. |
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Post by deembastille on Mar 27, 2017 2:03:56 GMT
words. of. the. CENTURY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 27, 2017 9:05:35 GMT
Nice how you like to play devil's advocate and twist around comments to make some asinine and warped point, when you are only proving how mad you really are.  Yes, I don't get you and never will, and you won't listen to anyone that doesn't side with your one-sided and biased notion about TG being accepted and respected by those that couldn't possibly understand your mental disorder, confusion and arrogant narcissism. You were asked to explain the rationality, not your pseudo-intellectual, pretentious, arrogant, conceited, self-important, self-centered, self-serving, IRRATIONAL narcissistic personality disorder that you have already made us all aware of in your self-absorbed gobbledegook posts. Now, what was it you wanted to convey again about a trannies need for acceptance and respect, because they want to mutilate their genitals and become a fake person due to a selfish and self-entitled psychological disorder, namely NPD? See look! I have it all pegged and sussed, without resorting to pompous ass rhetoric. And to think, I almost sound as impressive as you want others to think you are. Hah hah So cute! Yes, I am cute, and you are still a condescending and pretentious pseudo-intellectual twerp, who has no "real" argument in defense of others having to "respect" a trannies decision to mutilate their genitals, so as to be accepted as the opposite gender, which is contrary to what their birth biology dictates. Listen up good, hell will freeze over before a male having a cut and tuck to become a fake female is deemed as "natural" and "normal". Heck, homosexuality isn't even seen as a genuine and innate sexuality by most, which TG has nothing to do with, so good luck sweetiepie! |
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 27, 2017 15:14:31 GMT
I realize this might offend some, but I mean to express that I honestly don't understand the support of being transgender.
I am a humanist, I support the ideas of freedom and life in general, and I fully support and completely understand the nature and lifestyle of gays and lesbians without question. I wish them all the happiness in the world and embrace them.
But being transgender is different. You're talking about not accepting what you are and trying to be something else. It's the opposite of why I support gay people. You're talking about surgery. You're talking about cutting off body parts to be something else. I really don't know how this isn't disturbing. Where is the line between that and a legitimate psychological problem?
And I honestly find it outrageous that people felt the need to give somebody like Jenner a woman of the year award. That's a joke right? There are great women out there accomplishing amazing things, and some guy who cut off his dick and put on a dress is the woman of the year? That's an outrage to women and their legitimate contributions to society. I am gay and I also understand where you are coming from. Yes, it is disturbing, but for some reason, TG'd expect others to get them. They do have some very serious psychological issues. I can accept a transgendered person for their life and humanity, just not understand or respect the serious mutilation they have done to their sex. How can they possibly expect a vast majority of humans in the world, who do appreciate the body they are born with, to embrace and honor their transition into a fake gender, and not question the psychology or even ethics behind it? Jenner is a narcissist and he hasn't even had a cut and tuck yet as far as I'm concerned, so that gives him even less privilege to be woman of the year. It is a f<>king farce. Regardless, he will still always be genetically male, even if he psychologically identifies as a woman. But yes, that is all in his mind. It's a mental illness. It is no different than any other condition where someone wishes to – or actually goes through with it – alter their appearance in some extreme manner. Extreme plastic surgery, body modification, tattooing, purging – it's no different. There is a condition called Body integrity identity disorder. essentially, people who suffer from it wish to be disabled. The want one or more of their limbs removed. Do we let them do it? of course not, because that would be insane. The only reason GID is tolerated is because it has become political. Trans people somehow latched on to the LGB community, thus making it untouchable in SJW's eyes. |
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Post by bd74 on Mar 27, 2017 17:45:39 GMT
Yes, I am cute, and you are still a condescending and pretentious pseudo-intellectual twerp, who has no "real" argument in defense of others having to "respect" a trannies decision to mutilate their genitals, so as to be accepted as the opposite gender, which is contrary to what their birth biology dictates. Listen up good, hell will freeze over before a male having a cut and tuck to become a fake female is deemed as "natural" and "normal". Your repeated depiction of transgenders as having "very serious psychological issues" and "mutilating themselves" is disturbing, to say the least. Especially when considering it's coming from a gay man. One would think that gay people would have a better tolerance of things. I have never, ever seen or heard anything like it -- and I happen to know MANY gay people. |
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Post by deembastille on Mar 27, 2017 22:26:24 GMT
Yes, I am cute, and you are still a condescending and pretentious pseudo-intellectual twerp, who has no "real" argument in defense of others having to "respect" a trannies decision to mutilate their genitals, so as to be accepted as the opposite gender, which is contrary to what their birth biology dictates. Listen up good, hell will freeze over before a male having a cut and tuck to become a fake female is deemed as "natural" and "normal". Your repeated depiction of transgenders as having "very serious psychological issues" and "mutilating themselves" is disturbing, to say the least. Especially when considering it's coming from a gay man. One would think that gay people would have a better tolerance of things. I have never, ever seen or heard anything like it -- and I happen to know MANY gay people. er... I'll have you know that many people of a particular, uh, situation, are kind of closed minded when it comes to an addendum of THEIR SITUATION. not many people from a particular race are accepting of a person HALF THAT RACE, for example. and just because someone is gay doesn't mean that they automatically agree and support all things that other gay people SHOULD agree with and support. A colleague at my school is openly gay and LEPT FOR JOY WHEN TRUMP WON! Liberalism doesn't automatically come with this territory. NOTHING should automatically come with ANY territory! |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 28, 2017 12:11:26 GMT
Yes, I am cute, and you are still a condescending and pretentious pseudo-intellectual twerp, who has no "real" argument in defense of others having to "respect" a trannies decision to mutilate their genitals, so as to be accepted as the opposite gender, which is contrary to what their birth biology dictates. Listen up good, hell will freeze over before a male having a cut and tuck to become a fake female is deemed as "natural" and "normal". Your repeated depiction of transgenders as having "very serious psychological issues" and "mutilating themselves" is disturbing, to say the least. Especially when considering it's coming from a gay man. One would think that gay people would have a better tolerance of things. I have never, ever seen or heard anything like it -- and I happen to know MANY gay people. You really don't like to be told anything do you? I have put you in your place a few times already regarding some of your asinine posts. You don't get much at all do you and miss the essence of what is being said. You are in denial about a great many things yourself. What don't you understand about TG not having anything to do with homosexuality? TG, as I have already mentioned, is a scourge and pestilence on the gay community. It puts out the message, that gay men really want to be female, when most would and do appreciate and embrace their gender and maleness. Why should gay men tolerate that? TG can go form their own separate community. That is the only reason why the gay community accepted them into their fold, to put out a message of how tolerant they are of others. Well, it has come back to bite them on the ass. TG's do have psychological issues, due to the extreme extent they go to be accepted as a fake gender and in order to do that, they have their sex organs mutilated. Many would also demand that others respect and accept them as fake women or men. Why should they? Would you prefer to hear that their genitals were surgically removed and altered instead, just to sound all pc? You are a lost cause bd74 and boring and predictable to boot. If you don't have anything worthwhile to add or are able to use your innate intelligence— that is if you have any—I suggest you not post at all. You just make a fool of yourself. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 28, 2017 12:32:08 GMT
er... I'll have you know that many people of a particular, uh, situation, are kind of closed minded when it comes to an addendum of THEIR SITUATION. not many people from a particular race are accepting of a person HALF THAT RACE, for example. and just because someone is gay doesn't mean that they automatically agree and support all things that other gay people SHOULD agree with and support. A colleague at my school is openly gay and LEPT FOR JOY WHEN TRUMP WON! Liberalism doesn't automatically come with this territory. NOTHING should automatically come with ANY territory!Well I would say in my defense, that TG is not an addendum of my situation of being a gay man. It has nothing to do with my sexuality, or any other being that identifies as homosexual\gay. If a gay person or straight person chooses to embrace transgender, that is on their own perogative. And yes, I agree. A persons outlook\perception does not always have anything to do with one's political slant and is not confined to just any specific territory. The TG issue is not really about politics at all; but is a mental health care issue. |
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 28, 2017 13:31:14 GMT
Yes, I am cute, and you are still a condescending and pretentious pseudo-intellectual twerp, who has no "real" argument in defense of others having to "respect" a trannies decision to mutilate their genitals, so as to be accepted as the opposite gender, which is contrary to what their birth biology dictates. Listen up good, hell will freeze over before a male having a cut and tuck to become a fake female is deemed as "natural" and "normal". Your repeated depiction of transgenders as having "very serious psychological issues" and "mutilating themselves" is disturbing, to say the least. Especially when considering it's coming from a gay man. One would think that gay people would have a better tolerance of things. I have never, ever seen or heard anything like it -- and I happen to know MANY gay people. Irony: Lecturing someone about being open-minded while lumping them into a group based on their sexuality. |
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 28, 2017 13:32:21 GMT
er... I'll have you know that many people of a particular, uh, situation, are kind of closed minded when it comes to an addendum of THEIR SITUATION. not many people from a particular race are accepting of a person HALF THAT RACE, for example. and just because someone is gay doesn't mean that they automatically agree and support all things that other gay people SHOULD agree with and support. A colleague at my school is openly gay and LEPT FOR JOY WHEN TRUMP WON! Liberalism doesn't automatically come with this territory. NOTHING should automatically come with ANY territory!Well I would say in my defense, that TG is not an addendum of my situation of being a gay man. It has nothing to do with my sexuality, or any other being that identifies as homosexual\gay. If a gay person or straight person chooses to embrace transgender, that is on their own perogative. And yes, I agree. A persons outlook\perception does not always have anything to do with one's political slant and is not confined to just any specific territory. The TG issue is not really about politics at all; but is a mental health care issue. It should be a mental health care issue, but unfortunately is very much about politics. |
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Post by skribb on Mar 28, 2017 13:48:02 GMT
Well I would say in my defense, that TG is not an addendum of my situation of being a gay man. It has nothing to do with my sexuality, or any other being that identifies as homosexual\gay. If a gay person or straight person chooses to embrace transgender, that is on their own perogative. And yes, I agree. A persons outlook\perception does not always have anything to do with one's political slant and is not confined to just any specific territory. The TG issue is not really about politics at all; but is a mental health care issue. It should be a mental health care issue, but unfortunately is very much about politics. everything is politics. |
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Post by bd74 on Mar 28, 2017 18:02:48 GMT
Your repeated depiction of transgenders as having "very serious psychological issues" and "mutilating themselves" is disturbing, to say the least. Especially when considering it's coming from a gay man. One would think that gay people would have a better tolerance of things. I have never, ever seen or heard anything like it -- and I happen to know MANY gay people. You don't get much at all do you and miss the essence of what is being said. You are in denial about a great many things yourself. What don't you understand about TG not having anything to do with homosexuality? You are a lost cause bd74 and boring and predictable to boot. If you don't have anything worthwhile to add or are able to use your innate intelligence— that is if you have any—I suggest you not post at all. You just make a fool of yourself. It's actually you who doesn't get what you read. I neither said nor implied that I don't know that TG has nothing to do with homosexuality. So, how you arrived at that conclusion is beyond me. And as for "making a fool of myself" I don't give two shits what you or anyone else on this forum thinks of me. You know nothing about me. And clearly, you don't realize how unstable you sound. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 28, 2017 21:25:05 GMT
You don't get much at all do you and miss the essence of what is being said. You are in denial about a great many things yourself. What don't you understand about TG not having anything to do with homosexuality? You are a lost cause bd74 and boring and predictable to boot. If you don't have anything worthwhile to add or are able to use your innate intelligence— that is if you have any—I suggest you not post at all. You just make a fool of yourself. It's actually you who doesn't get what you read. I neither said nor implied that I don't know that TG has nothing to do with homosexuality. So, how you arrived at that conclusion is beyond me. And as for "making a fool of myself" I don't give two shits what you or anyone else on this forum thinks of me. You know nothing about me. And clearly, you don't realize how unstable you sound. You form your posts in the manner of a 12yr old. Perhaps that is what you are. You are the one that commented about my attitude about TG and that you found it disturbing. That is fine, but you don't have much substance to back up your statements and that is why you get wroughted. Like most of your posts, you just latch onto whatever you can if you think you see an opening and speak before you think. Fool! |
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Post by deembastille on Mar 28, 2017 22:10:16 GMT
you know what the weird thing is? I was looking at the LGBTQ poster outside the school psychologist's office and I noticed something... below each big letter there is an explanation of what each letter means..
L: Lesbian
G: Gay [which lesbian also falls under]
B: Bisexual
T: Transgender
Q: Queer/Questioning
and now there is A: asexual/Aromantic, Allies and Advocates, also stands for All
So... is it me or doesn't Lesbian mean gay women? why do they get their own label?
and... the Queer... uh, what is this 1982???
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 29, 2017 8:54:29 GMT
you know what the weird thing is? I was looking at the LGBTQ poster outside the school psychologist's office and I noticed something... below each big letter there is an explanation of what each letter means.. L: Lesbian G: Gay [which lesbian also falls under] B: Bisexual T: Transgender Q: Queer/Questioning and now there is A: asexual/Aromantic, Allies and Advocates, also stands for All So... is it me or doesn't Lesbian mean gay women? why do they get their own label? and... the Queer... uh, what is this 1982??? Although lesbians can be referred to as gay, I only really associate this with males. The gay aspect, is the looser and more feminine part behind male homosexuality, be it noticeable or not. Lesbians are already in feminine form and are homosexual females, not really gay, even though the line does get blurred. Gay is synonymous with homosexual anyway. This confounded alphabet soup of letters is becoming absurd. It should be LGB. Anyone else can find their own community. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 29, 2017 9:03:32 GMT
We can accept not only what people happen to be at the moment, but also whatever consensual decisions, including lifestyle choices, and whatever goals they set for themselves. Why should we be able to tell someone that they aren't allowed to make any conceivable consensual lifestyle decision, to set any conceivable consensual goal, etc.? It doesn't have to be something you'd choose for yourself. Let people do their own thing. Not everyone has to be the same, or like the same things.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 29, 2017 9:05:48 GMT
Eh. I just say live and let live. We can't. Obamacare puts us on the hook for wealth transfers to Big Pharma on behalf of these people. The psychiatry alone makes each one of them a customer for life. Obamacare mandates psychiatric coverage, and it mandates psychiatric coverage at full financial parity with physical coverage. "Do you like to play with blocks or dolls? That will be $5000 please". How many health problems are these people going to have down the line when they take the whole laundry list of pharmaceuticals? That's what got them sick in the first place. When fish and frogs are born in waterways polluted with birth control pills, they come out transgender too. The problem there would be how we've structured aspects of our economy. So let's fix that. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 29, 2017 9:08:45 GMT
That's where you lost me. Doesn't seem to be any conflict here if you are an actual humanist. Live and let live, brother. Yeah, heroine addicts. live and let live brother Anorexics. live and let live brother. Multiple personality. live and let live brother.
Being a humanist doesn't mean you let self harm occur because it's their choice.
By saying live and let live, you're just being dismissive of the potential of an actual problem.
If being a humanist doesn't mean that, then there's a problem with being a humanist, because there's a problem with forcing people to not make particular decisions for themselves just because you don't like them, you're uncomfortable with them, you'd not make them for yourself, etc. People should be allowed to hurt themselves, or to do what you consider hurting themselves, if that's what they choose to do. |
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But when you pretend you care about science or know your respective place in the scientific community, even though you don't do the neccessary homework, nor do you assume a position free of personal beliefs, or when you decide to post unscientific assumptions, suggestions, misguided questions, criticism and "questioning", I'm going to call it what it is, and I'm going to state the scientific, political and ethical implications of interest.
