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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 29, 2017 10:14:16 GMT
It should be a mental health care issue, but unfortunately is very much about politics. everything is politics. How about not everything should be about political correctness. But yes, the paradox is, it all does come down to politics and agendas. |
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 29, 2017 14:03:12 GMT
We can accept not only what people happen to be at the moment, but also whatever consensual decisions, including lifestyle choices, and whatever goals they set for themselves. Why should we be able to tell someone that they aren't allowed to make any conceivable consensual lifestyle decision, to set any conceivable consensual goal, etc.? It doesn't have to be something you'd choose for yourself. Let people do their own thing. Not everyone has to be the same, or like the same things. That’s the thing – they don’t live and let live. They want to force themselves on others. Their comfort level means more than everyone else. They want to use whatever facilities they feel like, because of feelings (not anything anatomical or biological), yet completely disregard the feelings of others. It’s me, me, me with trans people. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 29, 2017 16:13:57 GMT
We can accept not only what people happen to be at the moment, but also whatever consensual decisions, including lifestyle choices, and whatever goals they set for themselves. Why should we be able to tell someone that they aren't allowed to make any conceivable consensual lifestyle decision, to set any conceivable consensual goal, etc.? It doesn't have to be something you'd choose for yourself. Let people do their own thing. Not everyone has to be the same, or like the same things. That’s the thing – they don’t live and let live. They want to force themselves on others. Their comfort level means more than everyone else. They want to use whatever facilities they feel like, because of feelings (not anything anatomical or biological), yet completely disregard the feelings of others. It’s me, me, me with trans people. They want to force themselves on others how? |
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 29, 2017 16:15:00 GMT
That’s the thing – they don’t live and let live. They want to force themselves on others. Their comfort level means more than everyone else. They want to use whatever facilities they feel like, because of feelings (not anything anatomical or biological), yet completely disregard the feelings of others. It’s me, me, me with trans people. They want to force themselves on others how? Stop being obtuse – you know as well as I do the main issue surrounding them right now our restrooms, locker rooms, etc. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 29, 2017 16:23:53 GMT
They want to force themselves on others how? Stop being up to – you know as well as I do the main issue surrounding them right now our restrooms, locker rooms, etc. What in the world would your definition of nonconsensual force be so that that would count? |
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Post by bd74 on Mar 29, 2017 18:10:05 GMT
They want to use whatever facilities they feel like, because of feelings (not anything anatomical or biological), yet completely disregard the feelings of others. It’s me, me, me with trans people. Nobody even batted an eye over transgenders and bathrooms until the "family values" crowd decided to make an issue out of it a couple of years ago. Do these people think transgenders had been avoiding using public bathrooms during all the years that went by? |
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 29, 2017 18:39:06 GMT
They want to use whatever facilities they feel like, because of feelings (not anything anatomical or biological), yet completely disregard the feelings of others. It’s me, me, me with trans people. Do these people think transgenders had been avoiding using public bathrooms during all the years that went by? Oh yeah, no one has ever had a problem with the dude walking into the ladies room or vice versa until the last two years. We were all totally accepting of it until just two years ago and just decided to change our minds because of the "family values" crowd.  You two idiots are playing dumb. You know as well as I do that until Obama declared they can use whatever bathroom they want that there were much fewer instances. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 29, 2017 19:40:43 GMT
People should be allowed to hurt themselves, or to do what you consider hurting themselves, if that's what they choose to do. I'll just let this response stand on it's own merit.
I on the other hand would prefer to help people. You know, being a humanist and all.
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Post by NishmatHaChalil on Mar 29, 2017 22:23:28 GMT
I do care about science. You just haven't presented your case in any coherent way that differentiates it from encouraging people to not accept who they are. You just ramble on and conflate ideas while saying I'm the one making assumptions. Sure. Actually no, you don't care about science at all. You are not capable of reading 500 words, much less any textbook on any topic. The fact you stopped pretending you're able to read makes things much more comfortable for me, though  . Of course, your instruction could represent a very, very small change towards a better understanding of science and its application to the topic at hand, since there would be one less misguided person in the world pretending to use it as he tries to voice and justify his own inane and discriminatory beliefs. Nevertheless, all of my suspicions concerning your complete lack of cognitive interest were confirmed when you admitted you were not even reading. Just as you were accused of in the first page, you are only here to state your own irrational, unsupported and dangerous beliefs and try to paint them as something else. So, since your dignity is already off the way, I’m going to stop taking you seriously at all, and give you the treatment you deserve  . |
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Post by NishmatHaChalil on Mar 29, 2017 22:31:41 GMT
Yes, I am cute, and you are still a condescending and pretentious pseudo-intellectual twerp, who has no "real" argument in defense of others having to "respect" a trannies decision to mutilate their genitals, so as to be accepted as the opposite gender, which is contrary to what their birth biology dictates. Listen up good, hell will freeze over before a male having a cut and tuck to become a fake female is deemed as "natural" and "normal". Heck, homosexuality isn't even seen as a genuine and innate sexuality by most, which TG has nothing to do with, so good luck sweetiepie! Hahaha! |
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Post by NishmatHaChalil on Mar 29, 2017 22:38:45 GMT
It’s also both cute and telling how the people who really, really want to paint the TG spectrum as a disorder don’t have even a toddler’s grasp of actual psychiatry.
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Post by NishmatHaChalil on Mar 29, 2017 22:42:14 GMT
Oh yeah, no one has ever had a problem with the dude walking into the ladies room or vice versa until the last two years. We were all totally accepting of it until just two years ago and just decided to change our minds because of the "family values" crowd. You two idiots are playing dumb. You know as well as I do that until Obama declared they can use whatever bathroom they want that there were much fewer instances. You would prefer this guy to use the same bathroom as your female family members, like traditional policies recommend?  |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 29, 2017 23:23:44 GMT
It’s also both cute and telling how the people who really, really want to paint the TG spectrum as a disorder don’t have even a toddler’s grasp of actual psychiatry. I would rather be an armchair psychiatrist and see things for what they really are, than be a fake and phony pseudo-intellectual, or arrogant and conceited academic who only wants to impress upon others about how much knowledge they possess. Fake and phony is also synonymous with a TG's gender, so no wonder psychiatrists latch onto them. They don't really care, they can just pretend to justify their existence. Birds of a feather, flock together. |
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Post by NishmatHaChalil on Mar 29, 2017 23:25:54 GMT
I would rather be an armchair psychiatrist and see things for what they really are, than be a fake and phony pseudo-intellectual, or arrogant and conceited academic who only wants to impress upon others about how much knowledge they possess. Fake and phony is also synonymous with a TG's gender, so no wonder psychiatrists latch onto them. They don't really care, they can just pretend to justify their existence. Birds of a feather, flock together. Hahaha! |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 29, 2017 23:26:11 GMT
Oh yeah, no one has ever had a problem with the dude walking into the ladies room or vice versa until the last two years. We were all totally accepting of it until just two years ago and just decided to change our minds because of the "family values" crowd. You two idiots are playing dumb. You know as well as I do that until Obama declared they can use whatever bathroom they want that there were much fewer instances. You would prefer this guy to use the same bathroom as your female family members, like traditional policies recommend? Was that you pre-op Nishmat? He looks hot!  |
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Post by NishmatHaChalil on Mar 29, 2017 23:31:06 GMT
Was that you pre-op Nishmat? He looks hot! That's Aydian Dowling, a TG man (FtM) . |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 23:37:54 GMT
Because the patients are satisfied with the treatment and live more fulfilling lives? I'd recommend reading this if you're interested: linkAs far as anorexia goes, It results in worsening of health and death. Right, so major reconstructive surgery to look like a different person even though the parts won't work is perfectly sane as long as it makes you happy.
No reason to even ask questions. That's casual family dinner conversation.
What should be done? Lock them up and refuse them surgery? That's not going to happen. When I was working in retail I encountered transgenders and/or cross dressers. I thought they were a lot nicer then some of the other rude jerks I would see. Now that I'm not working I don't see anyone "different". If they're not bothering you then don't worry about how they live their lives, it's their business |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 23:40:55 GMT
Was that you pre-op Nishmat? He looks hot! That's Aydian Dowling, a TG man (FtM) . Wow! If you look you can see his mastectomy scars |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 23:45:31 GMT
yep no questions asked. perfectly sane to cut off your dick. It's actually inverted not cut off |
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Post by deembastille on Mar 30, 2017 0:23:04 GMT
I do care about science. You just haven't presented your case in any coherent way that differentiates it from encouraging people to not accept who they are. You just ramble on and conflate ideas while saying I'm the one making assumptions. Sure. Actually no, you don't care about science at all. You are not capable of reading 500 words-- and here is where I have to stop you. NO ONE ON THIS SITE IS CAPABLE OF READING 500 WORDS IN ONE GO! AND NOT THE DRIVEL YOU SPEW OUT! GOOD GOD! Do you have any idea what TL:DR means??? too long didn't read! every freaking time you write you write these doctoral dissertations meant for Ivy Leaguers! fk you. |
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