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Post by kuatorises on Mar 30, 2017 19:03:59 GMT
Well, there's a fact-filled scientific response. Explain the difference to me between cutting off a limb, a penis, or breasts. It would satisfy the feelings of inadequacy. These people "feel" they are meant to be disabled. Don't respond to me anymore, I'm not interested in talking to rude assholes I knew you wouldn't be able to answer the question. Your response does not surprise me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 19:07:55 GMT
Don't respond to me anymore, I'm not interested in talking to rude assholes I knew you wouldn't be able to answer the question. Your response does not surprise me. Your response is typical. You're too thick to understand so why bother
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 30, 2017 19:09:56 GMT
I knew you wouldn't be able to answer the question. Your response does not surprise me. Your response is typical. You're to thick too understand so why botherTranslation: I can't explain the difference and the only reason I support one and not the other (limb removal) is because of my politically correct beliefs, so I am lashing out and deflecting instead.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 19:14:13 GMT
Your response is typical. You're to thick too understand so why botherTranslation: I can't explain the difference and the only reason I support one and not the other (limb removal) is because of my politically correct beliefs, so I am lashing out and deflecting instead. You're too dumb to know that penises don't get cut off. You're childish and your avatar is repulsive, goes with your personality
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 30, 2017 19:30:39 GMT
Translation: I can't explain the difference and the only reason I support one and not the other (limb removal) is because of my politically correct beliefs, so I am lashing out and deflecting instead. You're too dumb to know that penises don't get cut off. You're childish and your avatar is repulsive, goes with your personality
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 19:32:22 GMT
I already answered you but you don't get it
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 30, 2017 19:34:59 GMT
I already answered you but you don't get it Oh, right. "It's not the same thing." Sorry, I forgot.
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Post by NishmatHaChalil on Mar 30, 2017 19:43:53 GMT
I knew you wouldn't be able to answer the question. Your response does not surprise me. Now the board, however, must certainly be surprised by Trump-on-a-belly’s lack of reading ability. After Trump’s innumerable showdowns in that area, one would expect a regular board prototype to be able to spot the one-sentence answer in the previous page. Who would think Trump-on-a-belly would actually fail and that, instead of correcting his mistake, he would actually start to make a fool of himself? And to think he would actually miss it again after being called on it, even with the answer at the tip of his nose! Well, at least he is cute while he lasts! Hahaha
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Post by NishmatHaChalil on Mar 30, 2017 20:12:47 GMT
No one is cutting off limbs and they're not the same thing. TGs are changing their bodies to the gender they're supposed to be. What would cutting off limbs achieve?? To be fair, we are talking to someone who believes tattooing is BIID. Even compared to the other anti-TG posters, his misinformation and conservative intolerance are on a whole other level. Expecting him to get any scientific concept at all would lead one to disappointment. However, what I find the most interesting about his case is the fact that the TG critic here who actually understand the least about science is the one to assume the boldest posture when talking about it. His embodiment of Dunning–Kruger is almost too perfect to be true. Changing the subject, I would also like to add that I highly appreciate your posts on the topic! They mean a lot to me, and I do think they make a great difference both on the visibility and on the correct information of TG issues in IMDB . And you are probably right in ceasing your previous contact with kuatorises. I strongly suspect treating him with the respect and politeness you have shown would have no positive outcome on his behavior. He would keep on exploiting your civility as much as he could. Especial cases excepted, there’s no reason for one's hand to feed the mouth that keeps biting it. Personally, I think condescension and/or being ignored are probably the only alternatives he deserves.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 20:19:54 GMT
Thank you, Nishmat
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 30, 2017 21:24:43 GMT
I don't know why you took me to be saying that you shouldn't discuss anything with anyone. Discussing doesn't imply not accepting, by the way (and not accepting certainly doesn't imply merely discussing). You're not under the impression that if you discuss something with someone, they'll necessarily change their mind about wanting to do heroin, or wanting a sex change operation, or wanting to try to talk people out of doing heroin or having sex change operations, are you? So then after you discuss wanting to do heroin, wanting to get a sex change operation, or wanting to talk people out of doing heroin or getting a sex change operation, and the person afterwards still wants to do heroin, get a sex change operation, or try to talk people out of the same, what should you do in your opinion? You're not under the impression that anybody is obligated to accept it are you? And you realize they can be perfectly justified in not accepting it? You seem to have this idea that whatever a person wants to do to themselves shouldn't concern anybody else for any reason. This wasn't a rhetorical question, I was hoping you'd answer it per your views: "So then after you discuss wanting to do heroin, wanting to get a sex change operation, or wanting to talk people out of doing heroin or getting a sex change operation, and the person afterwards still wants to do heroin, get a sex change operation, or try to talk people out of the same, what should you do in your opinion?" Re your question, no, of course no one is obligated to accept anything. Re "perfectly justified," justification is subjective. And I didn't say anything like it shouldn't concern anyone else.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 30, 2017 21:26:12 GMT
You want to prohibit them from doing heroin, and perhaps incarcerate them, etc., based on your preferences. There's nothing benevolent about that. No, he wants to prevent people from doing heroin because it destroys lives and communities, you asshole. Preventing someone from doing heroin doesn't detroy their life relative to their desire to do heroin?
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 30, 2017 21:28:57 GMT
What should be done about people who have Body Integrity Identity Disorder? Should we allow them to cut off limbs the way trans people do breasts and genitalia? I mean, they're not really hurting anyone, right? So why not let them cut off their limbs as they see fit? Yes, of course we should allow it. It certainly shouldn't be illegal.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 30, 2017 23:41:28 GMT
This wasn't a rhetorical question, I was hoping you'd answer it per your views: "So then after you discuss wanting to do heroin, wanting to get a sex change operation, or wanting to talk people out of doing heroin or getting a sex change operation, and the person afterwards still wants to do heroin, get a sex change operation, or try to talk people out of the same, what should you do in your opinion?" Re your question, no, of course no one is obligated to accept anything. Re "perfectly justified," justification is subjective. And I didn't say anything like it shouldn't concern anyone else. Per my views somebody mutilating their sexual organs should be discouraged, and enablers like you who think they can shout down objections by portraying them as simply bigoted, should be as well.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 31, 2017 0:56:27 GMT
Right. So if a friend or relative of yours is transgender, then you discuss it with them, try to discourage them from surgery, hormone therapy, etc., try to encourage them to feel differently, etc. And then if they continue on and get the surgery, then a big part of your interaction with them, for the rest of their life, consists of continued discouragement?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 3:13:36 GMT
Good luck with trying to discourage them. Could someone discourage you from being a man? Don't you know that's how they feel only they were given the wrong body?
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Post by The Lost One on Mar 31, 2017 10:24:41 GMT
Let's think through this logically:
1. There are people who feel their gender does not match their outer sex characteristics 2. This condition causes distress and therefore needs to be cured 3. There are two options to cure the condition: A) get them to accept their sex characteristics B) alter their sex characteristics to match how they feel 4. Past experience shows that in severe cases, B is more effective than A 5. B is a more drastic solution than A 6. Ideal solution = psychoanalysis to determine whether A has much of a chance of success and if not opt for B, but via cautious steps with surgery being the final step, if it needs to be done at all.
And the ideal solution is the way that gender reassignment is carried out in the west. Therefore no problem. To argue otherwise is to either dismiss the suffering of these people or to argue for a less effective form of treatment.
The difference between things like anorexia is an anorexic person will never feel they have done enough and no matter how thin they get, their anorexia remains. While as trans people lose their dysphoria after transitioning.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 31, 2017 14:55:56 GMT
Right. So if a friend or relative of yours is transgender, then you discuss it with them, try to discourage them from surgery, hormone therapy, etc., try to encourage them to feel differently, etc. And then if they continue on and get the surgery, then a big part of your interaction with them, for the rest of their life, consists of continued discouragement? It consists of knowing they have forever altered who they really are and just sort of dealing with it I suppose. I'm not going to suddenly say it's a great decision if that's what you mean.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 31, 2017 16:18:43 GMT
Right. So if a friend or relative of yours is transgender, then you discuss it with them, try to discourage them from surgery, hormone therapy, etc., try to encourage them to feel differently, etc. And then if they continue on and get the surgery, then a big part of your interaction with them, for the rest of their life, consists of continued discouragement? It consists of knowing they have forever altered who they really are and just sort of dealing with it I suppose. I'm not going to suddenly say it's a great decision if that's what you mean. Sure, but I'd say if you're not regularly haranguing them then you are accepting it. Accepting something doesn't imply promoting it or even thinking that it's a good idea. It's just being at peace with it enough that you don't have to keep fighting against it in a situation like that.
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 31, 2017 17:33:44 GMT
This wasn't a rhetorical question, I was hoping you'd answer it per your views: "So then after you discuss wanting to do heroin, wanting to get a sex change operation, or wanting to talk people out of doing heroin or getting a sex change operation, and the person afterwards still wants to do heroin, get a sex change operation, or try to talk people out of the same, what should you do in your opinion?" Re your question, no, of course no one is obligated to accept anything. Re "perfectly justified," justification is subjective. And I didn't say anything like it shouldn't concern anyone else. Per my views somebody mutilating their sexual organs should be discouraged, and enablers like you who think they can shout down objections by portraying them as simply bigoted, should be as well. Enablers, that's exactly what they are. And for what? Because they're afraid to hurt people's feelings?
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