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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 18, 2018 4:25:13 GMT
I know that this is a topic that’s already been discussed here before, but given how strong the continuity of the MCU has otherwise been (on the film side at least), I thought this was something worth taking an in depth look into, especially since, to be quite frank, phase 3 has kind of made the timeline of the MCU rather confusing. Just to be clear, I will describe how the MCU timeline has worked over the years, to the best of my knowledge, before mentioning how things have gotten screwed up.
So after the first Iron Man film, you have IM2, The Incredible Hulk and Thor, which were all said to have taken place within a single week of each other. IM2 is said to have taken place anywhere from around six months to a year after the first IM film, which means that TIH and Thor also took place around six months to a year after IM. So far so good. Next up we have The Avengers, which established that the events of the first Thor movie took place around a year prior. All well and good and simple enough.
Unfortunately, things start to get confusing beginning with Civil War thanks to a line from Vision that establishes that Tony first revealed his identity to the world eight years prior. Since CW has been said to have taken place 2016, that would mean that the events of the first Iron Man film took place in 2008. At the same time, this would also have to mean that IM2, TIH and Thor all took place either in late 2008 or 2009, with The Avengers presumably taking place in 2010 instead of 2012. That on its own isn’t a big deal, since plenty of movies take place in different years from when they’re released, but this does open the door for some timeline confusions later on, which is where the infamous “eight years later” business in Spider-Man: Homecoming comes into play.
So according to SMH, the events of the first Avengers film took place eight years prior. Considering that SMH takes place just a few months after CW, and itself is supposed to take place in the Fall, that would mean that like CW, it too takes place in 2016. This is a problem because it would then suggest that the first Avengers movie took place in 2008. Except, according to what Vision established in CW, Tony revealing his identity as Iron Man to the world happened in 2008, and going by what I established earlier, there is no way that the first Iron Man film and the first Avengers film could’ve taken place in the same year. There’s no way of getting around this one. This is a continuity error, and it’s one that only gets even more confusing in Infinity War.
In IW, a line of dialogue by Tony suggests that the events of the first Avengers movie actually took place six years prior. Not only does this explicitly contradict what SMH claimed, but it also casts some confusion regarding the timeline of the earlier MCU films. Like I said earlier, The Avengers took place anywhere around a year and a half to two years after Iron Man. Since IM took place eight years prior to 2016, and as far as I know, IW is supposed to take place in 2018, that would mean that the first Avengers film itself should’ve actually taken place around eight years prior to IW. So yeah...
Does anyone know how exactly we’re supposed to make sense of all of this?
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 18, 2018 5:06:24 GMT
I know that this is a topic that’s already been discussed here before, but given how strong the continuity of the MCU has otherwise been (on the film side at least), I thought this was something worth taking an in depth look into, especially since, to be quite frank, phase 3 has kind of made the timeline of the MCU rather confusing. Just to be clear, I will describe how the MCU timeline has worked over the years, to the best of my knowledge, before mentioning how things have gotten screwed up. So after the first Iron Man film, you have IM2, The Incredible Hulk and Thor, which were all said to have taken place within a single week of each other. IM2 is said to have taken place anywhere from around six months to a year after the first IM film, which means that TIH and Thor also took place around six months to a year after IM. So far so good. Next up we have The Avengers, which established that the events of the first Thor movie took place around a year prior. All well and good and simple enough. Unfortunately, things start to get confusing beginning with Civil War thanks to a line from Vision that establishes that Tony first revealed his identity to the world eight years prior. Since CW has been said to have taken place 2016, that would mean that the events of the first Iron Man film took place in 2008. At the same time, this would also have to mean that IM2, TIH and Thor all took place either in late 2008 or 2009, with The Avengers presumably taking place in 2010 instead of 2012. That on its own isn’t a big deal, since plenty of movies take place in different years from when they’re released, but this does open the door for some timeline confusions later on, which is where the infamous “eight years later” business in Spider-Man: Homecoming comes into play. So according to SMH, the events of the first Avengers film took place eight years prior. Considering that SMH takes place just a few months after CW, and itself is supposed to take place in the Fall, that would mean that like CW, it too takes place in 2016. This is a problem because it would then suggest that the first Avengers movie took place in 2008. Except, according to what Vision established in CW, Tony revealing his identity as Iron Man to the world happened in 2008, and going by what I established earlier, there is no way that the first Iron Man film and the first Avengers film could’ve taken place in the same year. There’s no way of getting around this one. This is a continuity error, and it’s one that only gets even more confusing in Infinity War.
In IW, a line of dialogue by Tony suggests that the events of the first Avengers movie actually took place six years prior. Not only does this explicitly co trading what SMH claimed, but it also casts some confusion regarding the timeline of the earlier MCU films. Like I said earlier, The Avengers took place anywhere around a year and a half to two years after Iron Man. Since IM took place eight years prior to 2016, and as far as I know, IW is supposed to take place in 2018, that would mean that the first Avengers film itself should’ve actually taken place around eight years prior to IW. So yeah... Does anyone know how exactly we’re supposed to make sense of all of this? It doesn't make sense. But MCU Dictator Kevin Feige knows that MCU can screw up their timeline however they want because most MCU fans are too brainwashed to question it. |
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Post by scabab on Aug 18, 2018 6:00:07 GMT
I went real in-depth with this subject back in April with someone else here so I'll relay some of that here. However bare in mind that the Spider-man "8 years later" has now been confirmed to just be flat out wrong. geektyrant.com/news/joe-russo-confirms-the-8-year-time-jump-in-spider-man-homecoming-was-wrong"During the interview, he is asked about the time gap and responds, “Yes, it was a very incorrect eight years.”" That can be ignored straight off. So anyway from the best of my knowledge it goes like this 1945 - Captain America It begins in 1942 and ends in 1945. Zola said he was captured in 1945. 2008 - Iron Man Happy Hogan said in Spider-man Homecoming that he'd been carrying the engagement ring since 2008 and it was in this movie did Stark come to like Potts. Six Months Later - Iron Man 2 / Thor / Incredible Hulk 2012 - Avengers Supposedly where this takes place though it doesn't quite fit because Nick Fury said it was last year they had a visitor from another world referring to Thor. So really this should be 2010 at the latest but no it isn't so the Nick Fury comment appears to be a mistake. Christmas 2012 - Iron Man 3 The movie opens on New Year's Eve 1999. Later in the movie Killian refers to his first meeting as happening 13 years ago. Supposedly a trailer said this was six months after The Avengers. 2014 - Guardians of the Galaxy / 2 / Winter Soldier Guardians of the Galaxy 1 and 2 definitely take place here because it says so. In Winter Soldier. Captain America says he's 95. Zola says he was born in 1918 which means he would be 95 during 2014. 2015 - Avengers Age of Ultron From a previous post I made I said that this took place a year after, I have no idea where I got that from now but it must have been said somewhere. 2016 - Civil War / Spider-man Homecoming / Black Panther Eight years since Stark announced himself as Iron Man. Also they said they'd been looking for Winter Soldier for two years. Black Panther they said was a week later. Spider-man Homecoming it said on screen was two months later. 2017 - Thor Ragnarok Thor tells Banner that he'd been the Hulk for 2 years. 2018 - Infinity War Stark makes a reference to New York being six years ago. So it mainly fits with the real time....but there are complications as well. For example in The Avengers, Captain America says he'd been frozen for 70 years which would put that movie in 2015 but it isn't. In Age of Ultron he refers to being frozen 75 years ago which would put that movie in 2020 but it isn't. In Spider-man Homecoming, while he's in his original Avengers costume he instead says he was frozen for 65 years which would put The Avengers in 2010 which could work because Nick Fury said in that movie that "Last year we had a visitor from another world" as in Thor which could put that and Iron Man 2 in 2009 and six months earlier it could be 2008 when Iron Man was set but no it's apparently 2012. |
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Post by mog1138 on Aug 18, 2018 7:32:07 GMT
I know that this is a topic that’s already been discussed here before, but given how strong the continuity of the MCU has otherwise been (on the film side at least), I thought this was something worth taking an in depth look into, especially since, to be quite frank, phase 3 has kind of made the timeline of the MCU rather confusing. Just to be clear, I will describe how the MCU timeline has worked over the years, to the best of my knowledge, before mentioning how things have gotten screwed up. So after the first Iron Man film, you have IM2, The Incredible Hulk and Thor, which were all said to have taken place within a single week of each other. IM2 is said to have taken place anywhere from around six months to a year after the first IM film, which means that TIH and Thor also took place around six months to a year after IM. So far so good. Next up we have The Avengers, which established that the events of the first Thor movie took place around a year prior. All well and good and simple enough. Unfortunately, things start to get confusing beginning with Civil War thanks to a line from Vision that establishes that Tony first revealed his identity to the world eight years prior. Since CW has been said to have taken place 2016, that would mean that the events of the first Iron Man film took place in 2008. At the same time, this would also have to mean that IM2, TIH and Thor all took place either in late 2008 or 2009, with The Avengers presumably taking place in 2010 instead of 2012. That on its own isn’t a big deal, since plenty of movies take place in different years from when they’re released, but this does open the door for some timeline confusions later on, which is where the infamous “eight years later” business in Spider-Man: Homecoming comes into play. So according to SMH, the events of the first Avengers film took place eight years prior. Considering that SMH takes place just a few months after CW, and itself is supposed to take place in the Fall, that would mean that like CW, it too takes place in 2016. This is a problem because it would then suggest that the first Avengers movie took place in 2008. Except, according to what Vision established in CW, Tony revealing his identity as Iron Man to the world happened in 2008, and going by what I established earlier, there is no way that the first Iron Man film and the first Avengers film could’ve taken place in the same year. There’s no way of getting around this one. This is a continuity error, and it’s one that only gets even more confusing in Infinity War.
In IW, a line of dialogue by Tony suggests that the events of the first Avengers movie actually took place six years prior. Not only does this explicitly co trading what SMH claimed, but it also casts some confusion regarding the timeline of the earlier MCU films. Like I said earlier, The Avengers took place anywhere around a year and a half to two years after Iron Man. Since IM took place eight years prior to 2016, and as far as I know, IW is supposed to take place in 2018, that would mean that the first Avengers film itself should’ve actually taken place around eight years prior to IW. So yeah... Does anyone know how exactly we’re supposed to make sense of all of this? It doesn't make sense. But MCU Dictator Kevin Feige knows that MCU can screw up their timeline however they want because most MCU fans are too brainwashed to question it. Lol this is the kind of bitterness that made you join forces with a convicted rapist Nazi. I feel sad for you. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 18, 2018 9:18:41 GMT
It doesn't make sense. But MCU Dictator Kevin Feige knows that MCU can screw up their timeline however they want because most MCU fans are too brainwashed to question it. Lol this is the kind of bitterness that made you join forces with a convicted rapist Nazi. I feel sad for you. Lol "when the debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the loser" (Soktrates). Is it this bitterness that make you join rank with child rape advocates, or was it something else?  |
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Post by mog1138 on Aug 18, 2018 10:26:20 GMT
Lol this is the kind of bitterness that made you join forces with a convicted rapist Nazi. I feel sad for you. Lol "when the debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the loser" (Soktrates). Is it this bitterness that make you join rank with child rape advocates, or was it something else? ^Pot meet kettle |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 18, 2018 10:36:03 GMT
I stopped caring about the timeline.
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Post by hobowar on Aug 18, 2018 11:25:12 GMT
I didn't read the op, but I'd say the mcu is best watched in release order. The 8 years later thing in Homecoming was a goof and should be ignored. I'd also say that the mcu's biggest strength is that almost all their movies work as a standalone piece and don't rely on you having to watch ten other movies.
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Post by merh on Aug 18, 2018 17:16:11 GMT
I didn't read the op, but I'd say the mcu is best watched in release order. The 8 years later thing in Homecoming was a goof and should be ignored. I'd also say that the mcu's biggest strength is that almost all their movies work as a standalone piece and don't rely on you having to watch ten other movies. Yes. I really dont get the bitch. I have a hard enough time keeping my OWN timeline straight, much less a movie series. You all have too much time on your hands |
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Post by merh on Aug 18, 2018 17:17:32 GMT
Lol this is the kind of bitterness that made you join forces with a convicted rapist Nazi. I feel sad for you. Lol "when the debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the loser" (Soktrates). Is it this bitterness that make you join rank with child rape advocates, or was it something else? Someone who pled down a rape charge to battery vs someone who made jokes about a topic. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 18, 2018 19:03:05 GMT
I didn't read the op, but I'd say the mcu is best watched in release order. The 8 years later thing in Homecoming was a goof and should be ignored. I'd also say that the mcu's biggest strength is that almost all their movies work as a standalone piece and don't rely on you having to watch ten other movies. Yes. I really dont get the bitch. I have a hard enough time keeping my OWN timeline straight, much less a movie series. You all have too much time on your hands The bitch? I wasn’t attacking the MCU. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 18, 2018 20:17:17 GMT
Yes. I really dont get the bitch. I have a hard enough time keeping my OWN timeline straight, much less a movie series. You all have too much time on your hands The bitch? I wasn’t attacking the MCU. Haven't you learned by now? If you don't praise MCU as the greatest cinematic achievement in history, then MCU fans consider that an attack on MCU. For example, there have been threads in the past titled "Hottest women in MCU movies?" and I've replied to the thread by simply posting a list of the hottest women in MCU movies and didn't write anything else. But many MCU fans went ballistic and attacked me simply because my list of the hottest women in MCU movies didn't include Scarlett Johansson, who isn't hot at all. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 18, 2018 20:17:25 GMT
So basically the MCU needs to be rebooted.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 18, 2018 20:17:58 GMT
The bitch? I wasn’t attacking the MCU. Haven't you learned by now? If you don't praise MCU as the greatest cinematic achievement in history, then MCU fans consider that an attack on MCU. For example, there have been threads in the past titled "Hottest women in MCU movies?" and I've replied to the thread by simply posting a list of the hottest women in MCU movies and didn't write anything else. But many MCU fans went ballistic and attacked me simply because my list of the hottest women in MCU movies didn't include Scarlett Johansson, who isn't hot at all. Well said. |
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Post by damngumby on Aug 18, 2018 21:07:39 GMT
Yes. I really dont get the bitch. I have a hard enough time keeping my OWN timeline straight, much less a movie series. You all have too much time on your hands The bitch? I wasn’t attacking the MCU. I don’t think merh was attacking you. Unfortunately there are a few posters here who like to seize upon any miscue by the MCU, real or imagined, and whine about it, ad nausiem. Hell, I’m a MCU fan and I started a thread almost identical to this one a few months ago. Obviously, questioning the timeline is not a sign of being a MCU-hater on the attack ... unless you’re being a complete douchebag about it ... which you are not. Can’t say the same about some others, though. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 18, 2018 21:11:50 GMT
The bitch? I wasn’t attacking the MCU. I don’t think merh was attacking you. Unfortunately there are a few posters here who like to seize upon any miscue by the MCU, real or imagined, and whine about it, ad nausiem. Hell, I’m a MCU fan and I started a thread almost identical to this one a few months ago. Obviously, questioning the timeline is not a sign of being a MCU-hater on the attack ... unless you’re being a complete douchebag about it ... which you are not. Can’t say the same about some others, though. Fair enough. |
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Post by merh on Aug 18, 2018 23:41:08 GMT
Yes. I really dont get the bitch. I have a hard enough time keeping my OWN timeline straight, much less a movie series. You all have too much time on your hands The bitch? I wasn’t attacking the MCU. It is a recurring complaint. IE bitching Like bitching about one's job. Nothing major, but people do it all the time. I don't get why it is a recurring complaint. Better? If my husband hadn't died the same year as 9/11 happened, I wouldn't remember how long he has been dead. Timelines are fuzzy |
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Post by Archelaus on Aug 23, 2018 1:20:48 GMT
It's possible to fix the timeline continuity errors. Iron Man is set in 2008 while The Avengers is set in 2012, which makes everything line up with the references to it made in Captain America: Civil War and Avengers: Infinity War. However, Nick Fury's line about Earth having a visitor last year throws the timeline off. Thor has to take place in 2011 including Iron Man 2 and The Incredible Hulk since the events in both films coincide with it.
The "eight years later" reference in Spider-Man: Homecoming was ret-conned and is no longer valid.
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Post by scabab on Aug 23, 2018 9:53:25 GMT
Yeah it seems there were was some confusion in that for the most part they like these movies to be set the year that they released but then seem to forget that some movies aren't like that.
So they have The Avengers as being in 2012 which is when it came out, they mention that last year, 2011, they'd had a visitor referring to Thor which is when it came out.
But if Iron Man was in 2008 and Iron Man 2 and Thor were only six months later then they should actually be in 2009.
If Thor was actually in 2009 and Avengers was the following year then Avengers would have been in 2010. So when Captain America said in Spider-man Homecoming that he'd be frozen for 65 years, then he'd have been perfectly right because he was frozen in 1945.
But then 8 years after 2010 would have been 2018 and Spider-man Homecoming was only 2 months after Civil War which was in 2016.
So it's all pretty wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 10:51:55 GMT
I have never really cared that much about the timeline.
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