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Post by kratos on Aug 19, 2018 10:53:02 GMT
Most these superhero movies age to some extent. Some more so that others.
The first two Superman movies have aged fairly well for the most part except for that campy bumbking sidekick.p
Batman 89 is only really aged by the Prince music. Batman Forever and Batman and Robin are very 90's.
And so on.
30 years from now when we're all old men and look back and wonder why we were so pathetic to argue over them, which do you think will have stood the test of time the best and worst?
I'd say Winter Soldier the best because of a lack of CGI. The worst would probably be the original Avengers maybe.
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Post by hobowar on Aug 19, 2018 11:15:42 GMT
The myspace mention in the first Iron Man always makes me laugh. I don't think any of them will age badly.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 19, 2018 11:17:13 GMT
The ones that will age the most are the CGI heavy films.
Hell CGI in general can age a film. Blade CGI definitely didn't age well as well as the first X-Men movie.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 19, 2018 14:17:07 GMT
The myspace mention in the first Iron Man always make me laugh. I don't think any of them will age badly. Really? I don't think any of them will age well. They're too quippy and throwaway.
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Post by hobowar on Aug 19, 2018 14:50:47 GMT
The myspace mention in the first Iron Man always make me laugh. I don't think any of them will age badly. Really? I don't think any of them will age well. They're too quippy and throwaway. But people like quips and humor. It's one of the most important parts of human psychology and can help deal with stress, grief, depression and a whole bunch of other things. This is why movies like Die Hard, Star Wars and The Godfather are so well loved after all these years.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 19, 2018 15:16:21 GMT
Really? I don't think any of them will age well. They're too quippy and throwaway. But people like quips and humor. It's one of the most important parts of human psychology and can help deal with stress, grief, depression and a whole bunch of other things. This is why movies like Die Hard, Star Wars and The Godfather are so well loved after all these years. I think RDJ will hold up, since he's just playing his drug-addicted self and not even remotely attempting to be anything at all like Tony Stark, and he's a naturally charismatic pip. So he'll be okay. So of the more "political" references and moments... may not hold up as well.
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Post by Nalkarj on Aug 19, 2018 16:11:08 GMT
This is a topic that has interested me for a while, if only because I genuinely don’t think these movies will last long. Amusingly, even Black Panther, Spider-Man: Homecoming, and, to bring in a DC entry, Wonder Woman seem to have been mere flashes-in-the-pan (and this from someone who thought WW great and SMH quite good; I haven’t seen BP).
When I mentioned this to Raptor, he freaked, of course, but I just think it’s true. They’re fun but, for the most part, seem to lack staying power (which quality Superman, Spider-Man 1 and 2, and Nolan’s trilogy, despite my qualms with it, possess in spades).Â
With that said, I think Iron Man has held up and will hold up. I think it’s also the closest the MCU has come to what I have here called an event, gaining and keeping audiences of both superhero-fans and those who aren’t. Less of an event, but I think The Winter Soldier will hold up nicely, especially in an age with fewer such paranoid-thriller flicks. Its throwback nature almost makes it timeless—if only it weren’t so reliant in its third act on the CGI and yet another Marvel “McBattle”! The Iron Man sequels and Thor movies will probably be seen as fun goofy former-blockbusters to be rewatched when flipping through channels.
What’s left? I think The Avengers will be consigned to the “former-blockbuster” status as well as time goes on, which may well be just the nature of the shared-universe beast. Remove it from all the build-up and I really don’t feel it’s half as good as it was made out to be. (But, then, I never really liked it.)
And then? I expect Batman v Superman (and the similar The Lone Ranger) to go through a critical re-evaluation in the next ten years, but the re-evaluation may well end up being short lived as well. Who knows? But an interesting question to ponder.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 19, 2018 16:39:49 GMT
IM1, Avengers and TWS will become classics and stand the test of time. Maybe even GOTG and CW despite the heavy CGI.
Dr. Strange and Antman will be the ones that age horribly. BP and Ragnarok won't fair well either.
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Post by summers8 on Aug 19, 2018 19:56:03 GMT
the problem is all mcu movies are the same so they will die out together in the same way.
series like batman, superman , spiderman tend to vary artistically depending on who the writers are and who the director is so they are easier to remember due to variety.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 19, 2018 20:11:13 GMT
Least - The Captain America trilogy; the first Guardians of the Galaxy; Iron Man 1; The Avengers (2012).
Most - Antman; Thor: The Dark World; Iron Man 2; Avengers Infinity War.
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Post by scabab on Aug 19, 2018 23:10:01 GMT
The CGI for the most part looks good now but yeah I'd imagine a long time from now that they could look "cartooney" and "fake" in the distant future.
So I'd agree that something like Captain Winter Soldier would definitely age the best. Especially as it's just an action thriller and there's already other movies like that from the 80's or 90's which haven't aged too badly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 0:39:16 GMT
the 1st Avengers film looks like a dated TV movie . Ditto on Age of Ultron . God that turd cost $250 million dollars ?! also shit like Ant Man & Homecoming with their "topical" jokes just don't sit well with me . They tried to be too cute and it didn't work.
As others have already mentioned , TWS has aged & will age gracefully . Its more than just some comic book film . also plays out like a really good political thriller with important themes thru out it.
Speaking of Captain America, as the years go by I have come to respect the 1st Cap film more & more (esp love the ending!) . Its good wholesome goofy fun imo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 1:42:59 GMT
Black Panther is gonna age so fucking bad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 2:44:37 GMT
And iron man will age the best.
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Post by Caesium137 on Aug 20, 2018 9:19:57 GMT
^ agree that Iron Man 1 will age the best. The worst probably be the first 2 Thor movies.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 20, 2018 12:13:12 GMT
This is a topic that has interested me for a while, if only because I genuinely don’t think these movies will last long. Amusingly, even Black Panther, Spider-Man: Homecoming, and, to bring in a DC entry, Wonder Woman seem to have been mere flashes-in-the-pan (and this from someone who thought WW great and SMH quite good; I haven’t seen BP). When I mentioned this to Raptor, he freaked, of course, but I just think it’s true. They’re fun but, for the most part, seem to lack staying power (which quality Superman, Spider-Man 1 and 2, and Nolan’s trilogy, despite my qualms with it, possess in spades). With that said, I think Iron Man has held up and will hold up. I think it’s also the closest the MCU has come to what I have here called an event, gaining and keeping audiences of both superhero-fans and those who aren’t. Less of an event, but I think The Winter Soldier will hold up nicely, especially in an age with fewer such paranoid-thriller flicks. Its throwback nature almost makes it timeless—if only it weren’t so reliant in its third act on the CGI and yet another Marvel “McBattle”! The Iron Man sequels and Thor movies will probably be seen as fun goofy former-blockbusters to be rewatched when flipping through channels. What’s left? I think The Avengers will be consigned to the “former-blockbuster” status as well as time goes on, which may well be just the nature of the shared-universe beast. Remove it from all the build-up and I really don’t feel it’s half as good as it was made out to be. (But, then, I never really liked it.) And then? I expect Batman v Superman (and the similar The Lone Ranger) to go through a critical re-evaluation in the next ten years, but the re-evaluation may well end up being short lived as well. Who knows? But an interesting question to ponder. They're action films, they'll age the same way action films from the past few decades have. Future generations probably won't understand what all the hubbub was about. As with any well made genre film, they'll always retain a certain charm to them, as a reflection of their era in filmmaking. They're the best at what they do, and that means something to film fans in any era.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 20, 2018 16:44:51 GMT
This is a topic that has interested me for a while, if only because I genuinely don’t think these movies will last long. Amusingly, even Black Panther, Spider-Man: Homecoming, and, to bring in a DC entry, Wonder Woman seem to have been mere flashes-in-the-pan (and this from someone who thought WW great and SMH quite good; I haven’t seen BP). When I mentioned this to Raptor, he freaked, of course, but I just think it’s true. They’re fun but, for the most part, seem to lack staying power (which quality Superman, Spider-Man 1 and 2, and Nolan’s trilogy, despite my qualms with it, possess in spades). With that said, I think Iron Man has held up and will hold up. I think it’s also the closest the MCU has come to what I have here called an event, gaining and keeping audiences of both superhero-fans and those who aren’t. Less of an event, but I think The Winter Soldier will hold up nicely, especially in an age with fewer such paranoid-thriller flicks. Its throwback nature almost makes it timeless—if only it weren’t so reliant in its third act on the CGI and yet another Marvel “McBattle”! The Iron Man sequels and Thor movies will probably be seen as fun goofy former-blockbusters to be rewatched when flipping through channels. What’s left? I think The Avengers will be consigned to the “former-blockbuster” status as well as time goes on, which may well be just the nature of the shared-universe beast. Remove it from all the build-up and I really don’t feel it’s half as good as it was made out to be. (But, then, I never really liked it.) And then? I expect Batman v Superman (and the similar The Lone Ranger) to go through a critical re-evaluation in the next ten years, but the re-evaluation may well end up being short lived as well. Who knows? But an interesting question to ponder. ^ as insightful as instructive. Further, films generally age, depending on the degree of the following elements (flexible system):
1. Hype and Zeitgeist: these strongly diminish over time making the net product seem less attractive (textbook cases: Force Awakens & Avatar).
2. Special Effects: especially new technology and CGI effects: these age rapidly. The more real the film looks, the longer it will last.
3. Creatives: Adoration of Actors and Directors: these usually vanish too per viewer generation.
4. Storytelling, Originality and Message/Substance: If a film is mainly built on formulaic templates, dumb fun storytelling or the formula is repeated to many times (eg sequels) the fascination vanishes quickly.
5. Pop References and Licensed Music: A film that will use a lot of contemporary pop music instead of creating it's own score and pop mythology usually seems less creative artictically and thus ages more quickly.
6. Humor, any form of humer gets old quickly, if teh humor is based on random goofiness rather than character and storytelling it will age very quickly.
7. Awards and iconic status: if the film is associated with awards and iconic events of historic importance, it will remain in the public mind longer.
8. Creativity: the more creative and fresh the worldbuilding and art design is, the more unique the film will become.
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Post by James on Aug 20, 2018 21:22:43 GMT
Least - Iron Man or the first two Captain America movies
Most - Black Panther
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 20, 2018 21:32:05 GMT
I've changed my mind. I think GOTG2 will be the one to age the worst.
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Post by NormanClature on Aug 20, 2018 21:35:34 GMT
I don't think I could entertain the thought of sitting down to watch any of the Phase 1 movies again.
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