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Post by Skaathar on Aug 19, 2018 20:32:08 GMT
The RT scores will remain completely unchanged.
LMAO. hahahahaha.
If you have proof that they will change let's hear it.
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Post by hobowar on Aug 19, 2018 20:46:11 GMT
If you have proof that they will change let's hear it. He listened to Martin Scorsese apparently?
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Post by hobowar on Aug 19, 2018 20:49:32 GMT
Those ultron quotes are garbage. Nothing more than superficial drivel that doesnt lead to anything true that, but this is still Shakespeare vis-a-vis Gunn's lowbrow penis, turd & nipples ruminations. That being said, Age of Ultron is the poor man's Isaac Asimov. Don't pretend you know who people are, you moron.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 19, 2018 21:35:28 GMT
You can say anything is superficial. Could you tell me how those quotes are superficial or how his actions didn't sync up with what he was saying? Ultron: You want to protect the world, but you don't want it to change. How is humanity saved if it's not allowed to evolve? It's no coincidence that Ultron interrupted a party to say this. Earths Mightiest Heroes were celebrating the retrieval of Loki's sceptre while war and crime was still happening all over the world. Ultron saw this and was sickened by it. He wanted humanity to evolve morally past the point of needing saviour figures like the Avengers. Its superficial because the Avengers JOKE AND LAUGH off Ultrons philosophy. Theres no middle ground reached between Hero and villain to the point you feel the villain may be correct. Its just empty words because the Avengers don't care, they just want to beat Ultron they dont knowledge his intent even though Ultron makes decent points; theres no scene like these 2 were the ideas of the villain seem sympathetic and the heros listen: Ultron just gets killed in a lame way, by getting cut off mid sentence. "Y'know With the benefit of hindsight...WHAMM" No nuance, looks like a saturday morning cartoon. Heros cracking jokes, villain bumbling and dying comically.
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Post by hobowar on Aug 19, 2018 22:00:55 GMT
You can say anything is superficial. Could you tell me how those quotes are superficial or how his actions didn't sync up with what he was saying? Ultron: You want to protect the world, but you don't want it to change. How is humanity saved if it's not allowed to evolve? It's no coincidence that Ultron interrupted a party to say this. Earths Mightiest Heroes were celebrating the retrieval of Loki's sceptre while war and crime was still happening all over the world. Ultron saw this and was sickened by it. He wanted humanity to evolve morally past the point of needing saviour figures like the Avengers. Its superficial because the Avengers JOKE AND LAUGH off Ultrons philosophy. Theres no middle ground reached between Hero and villain to the point you feel the villain may be correct. Its just empty words because the Avengers don't care, they just want to beat Ultron they dont knowledge his intent; theres no scene like these 2 were the ideas of the villain seem sympathetic and the heros listen: Ultron just gets killed in a lame way, by getting cut off mid sentence. "Y'know With the benefit of hindsight...WHAMM" No nuance, looks like a saturday morning cartoon. Heros cracking jokes, villain bumbling and dying comically. Ultron: "Look at Captain America. God,s righteous man pretending you could live without a war." This paired with Cap's dream sequence pretty much proves that Ultron is right to some degree about Captain America. Captain America: "I'm not leaving this rock with one civilian on it." Cap says this because it's his only way of beating Ultron morally. Captain America: "Family, stability…the guy who wanted all that went in the ice 75 years ago." This is self explanatory, isn't it? Captain America: Ultron thinks we're monsters, that we're what's wrong with the world. This isn't just about beating him, it's about whether he's riht. Ultron: They're doomedVision: YesThe Avengers know Ultron is right that's why it's so important to them to preserve as much life as possible during the third act. Ultron's philosophy isn't perfect however. He thinks the Avengers haven't changed anything when Nick Fury's return with the heli-carrier shows how much he's changed since Captain America: The Winter Soldier. About humor, I think the main reason humor is used because it's a basic part of human psychology and needed for survival and easing tense situations.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 20, 2018 9:45:28 GMT
This paired with Cap's dream sequence pretty much proves that Ultron is right to some degree about Captain America. Captain America: "I'm not leaving this rock with one civilian on it." Cap says this because it's his only way of beating Ultron morally. Thats partly okay but I was hoping for more. When ultron crashes the party he says how can you all be worthy, you're all killers. No one in the film really challenged that point, they sorta just accepted it especially Black Widow whose arc went from redemption to acceptance being a monster. But thats the thing, they just beat him. Did they actually change? Did they acknowledge that Ultron may have been right on some parts and so made positive changes going forward? The next film in Civil War theyre just fighting each other again over trivial things and putting more people in danger. So Ultron is right but The Avengers didnt listen.
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Post by kanekikun on Aug 20, 2018 11:46:51 GMT
This paired with Cap's dream sequence pretty much proves that Ultron is right to some degree about Captain America. Captain America: "I'm not leaving this rock with one civilian on it." Cap says this because it's his only way of beating Ultron morally. Thats partly okay but I was hoping for more. When ultron crashes the party he says how can you all be worthy, you're all killers. No one in the film really challenged that point, they sorta just accepted it especially Black Widow whose arc went from redemption to acceptance being a monster. But thats the thing, they just beat him. Did they actually change? Did they acknowledge that Ultron may have been right on some parts and so made positive changes going forward? The next film in Civil War theyre just fighting each other again over trivial things and putting more people in danger. So Ultron is right but The Avengers didnt listen. i think the point was that they ended up accepting it on some level. but they figured the alternative of destroying the world was worse.
its like how Xavier never learns or changes in the xmen movies. he keeps thinking segregation is right.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 20, 2018 13:32:50 GMT
Thats partly okay but I was hoping for more. When ultron crashes the party he says how can you all be worthy, you're all killers. No one in the film really challenged that point, they sorta just accepted it especially Black Widow whose arc went from redemption to acceptance being a monster. But thats the thing, they just beat him. Did they actually change? Did they acknowledge that Ultron may have been right on some parts and so made positive changes going forward? The next film in Civil War theyre just fighting each other again over trivial things and putting more people in danger. So Ultron is right but The Avengers didnt listen. i think the point was that they ended up accepting it on some level. but they figured the alternative of destroying the world was worse.
its like how Xavier never learns or changes in the xmen movies. he keeps thinking segregation is right.
Seriously, Sam? With the same like three talking points? My god, go take a walk. Read a book.
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Post by DSDSquared on Aug 20, 2018 13:47:06 GMT
I love how we are debating one of the worst MCU movies, Age of Ultron, because if you talked Avengers, Infinity War, Winter Soldier, Thor 3, etc. you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. The jealousy in this thread is pathetic. If the DCEU could make better films, they would be better received. Pretty simple. Wonder Woman was decent and got good reviews. BvS was terrible and didn't. Pretty easy to figure out.
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Post by hobowar on Aug 20, 2018 16:14:38 GMT
I love how we are debating one of the worst MCU movies, Age of Ultron, because if you talked Avengers, Infinity War, Winter Soldier, Thor 3, etc. you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. The jealousy in this thread is pathetic. If the DCEU could make better films, they would be better received. Pretty simple. Wonder Woman was decent and got good reviews. BvS was terrible and didn't. Pretty easy to figure out. Age of Ultron is the best written comic book movie I've seen. The Bruce/Nat relationship alone was better than anything in Ragnorok or Infinity War.
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Post by hobowar on Aug 20, 2018 16:26:00 GMT
This paired with Cap's dream sequence pretty much proves that Ultron is right to some degree about Captain America. Captain America: "I'm not leaving this rock with one civilian on it." Cap says this because it's his only way of beating Ultron morally. Thats partly okay but I was hoping for more. When ultron crashes the party he says how can you all be worthy, you're all killers. No one in the film really challenged that point, they sorta just accepted it especially Black Widow whose arc went from redemption to acceptance being a monster. But thats the thing, they just beat him. Did they actually change? Did they acknowledge that Ultron may have been right on some parts and so made positive changes going forward? The next film in Civil War theyre just fighting each other again over trivial things and putting more people in danger. So Ultron is right but The Avengers didnt listen. Vision: "Humans are odd. They think order and chaos are somehow opposites and try to control what won't be. But there is grace in their failings. I think you missed that." And about "trivial things" in Civil War, dude, Bucky killed Tony's parents. Would you say Bruce Wayne became Batman over trivial things? Also that whole airport was about Tony and Nat trying to protect Captain America.
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Post by DSDSquared on Aug 20, 2018 16:49:01 GMT
I love how we are debating one of the worst MCU movies, Age of Ultron, because if you talked Avengers, Infinity War, Winter Soldier, Thor 3, etc. you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. The jealousy in this thread is pathetic. If the DCEU could make better films, they would be better received. Pretty simple. Wonder Woman was decent and got good reviews. BvS was terrible and didn't. Pretty easy to figure out. Age of Ultron is the best written comic book movie I've seen. The Bruce/Nat relationship alone was better than anything in Ragnorok or Infinity War. Maybe, but it was executed poorly. The movie is simply not better than those movies. There are some cleverly written lines in BvS. It was still a terrible movie.
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