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Post by gameboy on Aug 24, 2018 6:05:17 GMT
Three in one, I mean. I believe Christianity has three distinct separate deities. It is tri-theistic, so to speak. You Trinitarians have tried to stuff these three deities into one Judeo-monotheistic box through sleights of Roman contortion.
The rational belief is that god is infinite and eternal. So if this three-in-one concept is true and it describes the infinite and eternal, how can one third be the Father and one third be the Son? Sons proceed from fathers, and fathers beget sons. How can a Father and a Son coexist eternally with no beginning? Do you fools think the terms Father & Son are arbitrary human designations for parts of the godhead? Or can you explain how a Father doesn't precede a Son and they can have always existed side by side?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Aug 24, 2018 8:19:53 GMT
Three in one, I mean. I believe Christianity has three distinct separate deities. It is tri-theistic, so to speak. You Trinitarians have tried to stuff these three deities into one Judeo-monotheistic box through sleights of Roman contortion. The rational belief is that god is infinite and eternal. So if this three-in-one concept is true and it describes the infinite and eternal, how can one third be the Father and one third be the Son? Sons proceed from fathers, and fathers beget sons. How can a Father and a Son coexist eternally with no beginning? Do you fools think the terms Father & Son are arbitrary human designations for parts of the godhead? Or can you explain how a Father doesn't precede a Son and they can have always existed side by side? The Trinity is exactly the sort of idea for God that would have emerged if a committee had been called upon to decide it. Oh wait a moment... |
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Post by Morgana on Aug 24, 2018 9:08:19 GMT
Three in one, I mean. I believe Christianity has three distinct separate deities. It is tri-theistic, so to speak. You Trinitarians have tried to stuff these three deities into one Judeo-monotheistic box through sleights of Roman contortion. The rational belief is that god is infinite and eternal. So if this three-in-one concept is true and it describes the infinite and eternal, how can one third be the Father and one third be the Son? Sons proceed from fathers, and fathers beget sons. How can a Father and a Son coexist eternally with no beginning? Do you fools think the terms Father & Son are arbitrary human designations for parts of the godhead? Or can you explain how a Father doesn't precede a Son and they can have always existed side by side? I believe in God, and I believe Jesus was the greatest man to ever walk the earth, but the trinity concept is one of the reasons I could never belong to a church. |
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Post by mslo79 on Aug 24, 2018 10:19:31 GMT
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Post by Vegas on Aug 24, 2018 11:21:02 GMT
It doesn't.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 24, 2018 12:02:20 GMT
Fortunately, as a Christian I am not required to believe it, so it's all good.
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 24, 2018 13:18:38 GMT
It makes sense in the same way 3-Dimensional space which exists as length, width and depth makes sense.
Space is not just length, not just width, and not just depth. Space is all three together. Each dimension distinct but inseparable.
God is not just the Father, not just the Son and not just the Holy Spirit. God is all three together. Each person distinct but inseparable.
You say 3 in 1 doesn’t make sense yet we live in a 3 in 1 dimensional world.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 24, 2018 13:20:26 GMT
"Father" and "son" to Christians is like "male" and "female" to transgenders.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 24, 2018 13:25:04 GMT
"We came to know this immense mystery because Christ revealed it to us"
Translation:
"We bought into this nonsense because we backed Jesus as our candidate. We were thus required to spin it and attempt to make it coherent just the same way that Republicans need to try to spin all of Trump's contradictory nonsense into something coherent."
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Post by Isapop on Aug 24, 2018 13:26:45 GMT
Fortunately, as a Christian I am not required to believe it, so it's all good. To be a (true) Christian, are you required to reject it? |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 24, 2018 13:30:54 GMT
It makes sense in the same way 3-Dimensional space which exists as length, width and depth makes sense. So in other words it doesn't make sense. First off, space doesn't exist aside from extended things and the extensional relations of those things. Next, it's incoherent to say that extension A and extension B are different yet somehow identical. |
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 24, 2018 13:49:01 GMT
It makes sense in the same way 3-Dimensional space which exists as length, width and depth makes sense. So in other words it doesn't make sense. First off, space doesn't exist aside from extended things and the extensional relations of those things. Next, it's incoherent to say that extension A and extension B are different yet somehow identical. If you accept the concept of 3-dimensional space without thinking it odd or incomprehensible, then why not the concept of a 3 as 1 God? Oh I forgot because you desperately don’t want a God to exist. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 24, 2018 13:53:44 GMT
So in other words it doesn't make sense. First off, space doesn't exist aside from extended things and the extensional relations of those things. Next, it's incoherent to say that extension A and extension B are different yet somehow identical. If you accept the concept of 3-dimensional space without thinking it odd or incomprehensible, then why not the concept of a 3 as 1 God? Oh I forgot because you desperately don’t want a God to exist. Apparently you didn't understand what I wrote. Space isn't a "thing" that exists first off. |
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 24, 2018 13:58:02 GMT
If you accept the concept of 3-dimensional space without thinking it odd or incomprehensible, then why not the concept of a 3 as 1 God? Oh I forgot because you desperately don’t want a God to exist. Apparently you didn't understand what I wrote. Space isn't a "thing" that exists first off. I don’t think you understood what you wrote. “Space isn’t a “thing” that exists” ?!  |
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 24, 2018 14:00:37 GMT
Fortunately, as a Christian I am not required to believe it, so it's all good. Question for you, Smithy. If Jesus isn’t God, and just a created being then should we pray to Him? |
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Post by The Lost One on Aug 24, 2018 14:04:13 GMT
The best explanation I've come across is to think of "God" as not a person but a substance like matter or mind in Cartesian terms. So while a normal human is made from mind and matter, Jesus during the incarnation was made up of both these and a third substance, God. The only other persons that partake of this substance are The Father and The Holy Spirit.
Of course that's not to say that's true and it requires accepting a heck of a lot of starting premises like monism being false for instance. But it's a much clearer explanation than the usual "God is like a shamrock" guff that we always got in school.
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Post by clusium on Aug 24, 2018 14:14:07 GMT
Three in one, I mean. I believe Christianity has three distinct separate deities. It is tri-theistic, so to speak. You Trinitarians have tried to stuff these three deities into one Judeo-monotheistic box through sleights of Roman contortion. The rational belief is that god is infinite and eternal. So if this three-in-one concept is true and it describes the infinite and eternal, how can one third be the Father and one third be the Son? Sons proceed from fathers, and fathers beget sons. How can a Father and a Son coexist eternally with no beginning? Do you fools think the terms Father & Son are arbitrary human designations for parts of the godhead? Or can you explain how a Father doesn't precede a Son and they can have always existed side by side? Try thinking of time. Time is made up of: The Past; the Present; and the Future. These are 3 distinct aspects, all the while remaining the one & the very same thing: Time. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 24, 2018 14:23:11 GMT
Fortunately, as a Christian I am not required to believe it, so it's all good. To be a (true) Christian, are you required to reject it? Christians would reject anything inaccurate. As such I reject it but I can’t speak to other denominations truth. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 24, 2018 14:33:04 GMT
Fortunately, as a Christian I am not required to believe it, so it's all good. Question for you, Smithy. If Jesus isn’t God, and just a created being then should we pray to Him? if one believes in the trinity I have no idea why they wouldn’t as well as praying to the Holy Spirit since they’re all equal. If one doesn’t believe in the trinity I have no idea why they would bother or feel it appropriate. |
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 24, 2018 14:57:52 GMT
CoolJGS☺ But I’m asking you, someone who rejects the trinity. Because the bible calls believers to. “If in my name you ask me for anything, I will do it.”John 14:14 “To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, together with all those who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:”1 Corinthians 1:2 “When they heard these things, they became enraged and ground their teeth at Stephen. But filled with the Holy Spirit, he gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. “Look,” he said, “I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!” But they covered their ears, and with a loud shout all rushed together against him. Then they dragged him out of the city and began to stone him; and the witnesses laid their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul. While they were stoning Stephen, he prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.””Acts 7:54-59 “And this is the testimony: God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. And this is the boldness we have in him, that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have obtained the requests made of him.”1 John 5:11-15 Now if Jesus isn’t God and thus not omnicient and eternal then can he truly answer all our prayers?
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