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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 15:00:50 GMT
The concept of the trinity makes as much sense as the rest of it, so...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 15:01:32 GMT
CoolJGS☺ But I’m asking you, someone who rejects Christ’s divinity. Because the bible calls believers to. And if they don't, do they go to hell?
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Post by general313 on Aug 24, 2018 15:17:23 GMT
No.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 24, 2018 16:08:46 GMT
CoolJGS☺ But I’m asking you, someone who rejects the trinity. Because the bible calls believers to. “If in my name you ask me for anything, I will do it.”John 14:14 “To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, together with all those who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:”1 Corinthians 1:2 “When they heard these things, they became enraged and ground their teeth at Stephen. But filled with the Holy Spirit, he gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. “Look,” he said, “I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!” But they covered their ears, and with a loud shout all rushed together against him. Then they dragged him out of the city and began to stone him; and the witnesses laid their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul. While they were stoning Stephen, he prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.””Acts 7:54-59 “And this is the testimony: God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. And this is the boldness we have in him, that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have obtained the requests made of him.”1 John 5:11-15 Now if Jesus isn’t God and thus not omnicient and eternal then can he truly answer all our prayers? 1. If I reject the trinity I would have thought the answer was evident. I don’t pray to Jesus 2. I have no issues with saying prayers in Jesus name since that is not the same as praying to Jesus. Trinitarians have a tendency to pretend that just because one doesn’t believe God and Jesus are equal than that means Jesus is nothing which would be an inaccurate assumption.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 24, 2018 16:20:24 GMT
Apparently you didn't understand what I wrote. Space isn't a "thing" that exists first off. “Space isn’t a “thing” that exists” ?!  Correct. Space only exists in the sense of supervening on (the extensional properties of and between) existents. In other words, it doesn't exist independently of other things. "There's some space to put some stuff in" is simply a mental abstraction. Space doesn't exist as a sort of "container" to put things in. Space exists only in the sense of, say, a rock having extensional properties--length, width, etc., and in the sense of there being some extensional distance from one rock to another.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 24, 2018 16:48:04 GMT
It doesn't, but that's pretty much how I feel about Christianity in general
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 24, 2018 17:27:39 GMT
CoolJGS☺“I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. And this is the boldness we have in him, that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have obtained the requests made of him.”
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 24, 2018 18:35:13 GMT
“Space isn’t a “thing” that exists” ?!  Correct. Space only exists in the sense of supervening on (the extensional properties of and between) existents. In other words, it doesn't exist independently of other things. "There's some space to put some stuff in" is simply a mental abstraction. Space doesn't exist as a sort of "container" to put things in. Space exists only in the sense of, say, a rock having extensional properties--length, width, etc., and in the sense of there being some extensional distance from one rock to another. Look up general relativity.
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Post by klandersen on Aug 24, 2018 19:06:13 GMT
I don't think of it often, but sometimes I think of it akin to how a man can be a Father and a Son and a brother.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 24, 2018 19:22:24 GMT
CoolJGS☺“I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. And this is the boldness we have in him, that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have obtained the requests made of him.” And?
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 24, 2018 19:27:23 GMT
CoolJGS☺ “I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. And this is the boldness we have in him, that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have obtained the requests made of him.” And? LOL What’s your interpretation of this verse? Who is the one who hears and delivers anything a believer asks?
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 24, 2018 19:32:59 GMT
I don't think of it often, but sometimes I think of it akin to how a man can be a Father and a Son and a brother. No that’s modalism. The trinity posits that God is one being/essence/substance who exists in three distinct co-equal persons.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 24, 2018 19:45:53 GMT
LOL What’s your interpretation of this verse? Who is the one who hears and delivers anything a believer asks? yeah we played this game many times in the past. The entirety of 1 John 5 makes very clear the significance of praying to God the father including the verse you quoted. If you want to slant it your way that is your businesss. I still don’t think you ever said what happens if you don’t acknowledge the trinity. You never had a verse ready but I assume I’ll nirm for all eternity alongside Muslims.
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 24, 2018 20:09:37 GMT
LOL What’s your interpretation of this verse? Who is the one who hears and delivers anything a believer asks? yeah we played this game many times in the past. The entirety of 1 John 5 makes very clear the significance of praying to God the father including the verse you quoted. If you want to slant it your way that is your businesss. I still don’t think you ever said what happens if you don’t acknowledge the trinity. You never had a verse ready but I assume I’ll nirm for all eternity alongside Muslims. You think the verse I quoted is about directing prayer to God the Father? Explain yourself.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 24, 2018 20:14:05 GMT
yeah we played this game many times in the past. The entirety of 1 John 5 makes very clear the significance of praying to God the father including the verse you quoted. If you want to slant it your way that is your businesss. I still don’t think you ever said what happens if you don’t acknowledge the trinity. You never had a verse ready but I assume I’ll nirm for all eternity alongside Muslims. You think the verse I quoted is about directing prayer to God the Father? Explain yourself. 1 John 5 explains it. You need no extra explanation from me. Heck I don’t even know what your point is.
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 24, 2018 21:18:22 GMT
Three in one, I mean. I believe Christianity has three distinct separate deities. It is tri-theistic, so to speak. You Trinitarians have tried to stuff these three deities into one Judeo-monotheistic box through sleights of Roman contortion. The rational belief is that god is infinite and eternal. So if this three-in-one concept is true and it describes the infinite and eternal, how can one third be the Father and one third be the Son? Sons proceed from fathers, and fathers beget sons. How can a Father and a Son coexist eternally with no beginning? Do you fools think the terms Father & Son are arbitrary human designations for parts of the godhead? Or can you explain how a Father doesn't precede a Son and they can have always existed side by side? Presumably it's akin to one person being a father/mother, a son/daughter, and a brother/sister. The Holy Trinity is not a biblical concept anyway, nor is the notion that Jesus is God. "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." Matt 24:36 "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46 On the other side of the coin, something not making sense to you does not mean it doesn't make sense at all. Jesus said he who has seen me has seen the Father(God).
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 24, 2018 22:40:50 GMT
The short answer is no, "somebody" cannot explain it to you or anyone else. That is unless it is revealed to you spiritually, perhaps with assistance from somebody.
I will attempt to help as much as I can. I'm sorry how little that might be. I have no special spiritual gifts that I am aware. Suppose you were always blind and never saw the color green. Could "somebody" explain it to you? Perhaps you can understand that necessarily their descriptions of green will not likely be adequate for a full understanding of green. It is necessarily going to be highly symbolic, allegorical or less direct speech. Similarly the "Father" and the "Son" are not really like any father or son you have seen. They are a father and son only in that they are "comparable" in some ways to fathers and sons you have seen.
I mentioned elsewhere that some religious radio talk show hosts recoil at the notion that the Bible should not be taken "literally." I explained that is because mass media are prepared for children and adults tending children. Children are typically only capable of communication that is literal (like many here). Of course to be literal communication can only be about those things you have already experienced. If you have not experienced them, there might be no way at all for "somebody" to explain them to you.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 24, 2018 23:10:56 GMT
Correct. Space only exists in the sense of supervening on (the extensional properties of and between) existents. In other words, it doesn't exist independently of other things. "There's some space to put some stuff in" is simply a mental abstraction. Space doesn't exist as a sort of "container" to put things in. Space exists only in the sense of, say, a rock having extensional properties--length, width, etc., and in the sense of there being some extensional distance from one rock to another. Look up general relativity. Let's see if we can figure out a way that you could be more (ignorantly) condescending.
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 24, 2018 23:24:06 GMT
Look up general relativity. Let's see if we can figure out a way that you could be more (ignorantly) condescending. I don't believe it has been thoroughly established that space does not exist. Sound waves do not cross a vacuum, and that suggests there in nothing in the vacuum. There is no medium for the sound wave to disturb. Light however does cross a vacuum easily, but there are two explanations. Either the "vacuum" contains the medium that light uses to cross it (wave theory), or the light carries its own medium forward through the vacuum (particle theory). Good luck resolving that one. If the vacuum contains the medium through which the light travels, then "space" has its own existence. If the vacuum does not contain the medium through which light travels it still might contain some other medium of which we are not aware that can pass waves of a nature currently unknown.
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Post by You_Got_A_Stew_Goin_Baby on Aug 24, 2018 23:44:01 GMT
God is the Trinitiy of Power Jesus is the Trinity of Courage The Holy Ghost is the Trinity of Wisdom
Together they are THE Trinity.
Easy peasy
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