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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 1, 2018 18:03:45 GMT
Yet you continue to watch these films. Why? Do you enjoy punishing yourself? You know who they're made for and that doesn't include you apparently. I'll give you the bad CGI fight scene in Black Panther. That needed some work. But if you actually paid attention to any of the other scenes you mentioned instead of just looking for reasons to ridicule, you would understand why they're there. I guess I'm just more willing to let certain things go for the sake of entertainment (it's called suspension of disbelief), especially when it comes to comic book films about superheroes. Whereas you nitpick every little detail and circumstance, expecting Oscar level quality in every scene of every film. These films aren't aiming for that and never have. They're pure entertainment. It all comes down to preference. There's a lot that you could nitpick and ridicule in the FoX-Men films as well (like a lot), but you ignore those and give them a pass because you prefer those films over the MCU for being darker and more serious. what is strange about black panther, why was that not heavily criticised..... the bad cgi scenes. it was less than a year ago, the media was mocking justice league's CGI
xmen origins had bad cgi scenes, that was mark down badly
JL had bad cgi scenes that was marked down badly
black panther had bad cgi scenes, add to the formula redo Thor 1 story and somehow it is the best mcu movie. lol..so called highest rated movie of all time on RT?
take first class, what aspect of black panther topped the scene from first class when it came to the combination of story telling, character development, music score and use of cgi
oh and xmen is darker and more serious because that is the comic story. even XMEN TAS and X-Men Evolution followed that rule. and the reason mcu xmen will fail but by then, the genre will be dead so when mcu xmen is out that looks like batman and robin, no one but rapid mcu fans will care but it will get worse, when mcu xmen is dismissed. meanwhile, people's love for films like X2 and DOFP will only grow more due to how bad mcu xmen is.
as I always said, it is not as if last jedi, force awakens and homecoming are bad to the bones, it is because we have already seen superior movies outside of the disney formula garbage.
Actually, read any reviews, and the CGI is a common complaint for Black Panther. However, you can have any film with bad CGI, as long as the story and script and the characters and everything else are good. Disregarding your opinion of Black Panther, the general consensus was that Black Panther was a good story and had really good performances. I didn't think it was amazing and I wished it focused more on the isolation concept rather than racism, but the performances were good and it was hardly a redo of Thor's story. Likewise, you can even have a film with a shit story and script, but can still admire it for its visual effects if they're good. I think Avatar is one of the dumbest movies ever, but James Cameron knows how to do CGI and visuals and its still impressive to look at. Justice League and Origins failed on both fronts. They both had horrible storytelling with equally shit visuals and CGI. And to answer your question regarding a scene that tops the submarine scene from First Class, I'd say Kilmonger's introduction. Its a great moment of character depth and development in a matter of minutes through MBJ's charisma and acting. Yes, it plays the race card with Kilmonger which some could argue is a cop-out when movies do that, but it uses it intelligently in Black Panther. Another scene is the first fight scene between T'Challah and M'Baku. You can't deny that the effort the creators went behind assembling and designing the costumes, not just for the main characters, but the extras as well. And it's also a great piece of storytelling and development for T'Challah's character. You're welcome to dismiss everything I said because that's what you do anyway, but you can't complain that I didn't answer the question. You know what is funny though!?! You complain that the supposed MCU version of the X-Men will be like Batman and Robin, yet, the MCU knows how to go dark and serious when it needs to. Winter Soldier and Black Panther are arguably a couple of their best movies, and also the ones with the least amount of humor. So you're only living in a bubble where you think they'll be a comedy movie where in reality, if they do decide to bring in the X-Men film, they're more than likely to go the route of Winter Soldier and Black Panther. Problem is, you don't want to admit that because you're afraid they could actually do a better movie than X2 or DoFP.
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Post by sostie on Sept 1, 2018 19:56:46 GMT
And yet, none of this is as ridiculous as The Magic Boat Actually, a boat made by the Olympian Gods that travels a super speeds isn't ridiculous. What I ridiculous is MCU fans who need it spelled out for them that when the Olympian Gods create a boat, they aren't going to create a boat that travels as slow as other boats. But then again, MCU fans probably still can't believe that the Olympian Gods can create a helmet that makes the wearer invisible or a lasso that compels anyone to tell the truth and obey any command or a winged stallion that can fly. The defence of your theory/excuse continues to amuse. A boat sails thousands of miles from deep in the Mediterranean, through heavily patrolled seas, un-piloted and arrives the next morning in London. Now your explanation is it is magic despite no mention of it being so, no sense of it travelling at any speed and despite the fact that it can travel thousands of miles overnight, without anyone navigating it yet it can't manage to find it's way up the Thames without being pulled by a tugboat. If this excuse was made for an MCU film you'd be all over it. And what other questions does your excuse throw up? Why would the Amazonians need a high speed boat if they do not intend to travel beyond their waters? Are the Amazonians so incapable of building a boat that you have to assume a God gave it to them? Are we to assume everything that the Amazonians own and use were gifts from the Gods? If you travelled to the world of man would you just abandon a magic boat in a busy port? It was a case of bad writing/artistic licence/a plot-hole, or the the trip took longer than one night but some slack editing/directing made it look like a one night journey, yet you continue to stand by this ridiculous excuse. Such an excuse in an MCU film would be unforgivable. Still, good to see you dropped your brief added destiny/divine intervention element to the excuse...that really was hilarious.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 1, 2018 20:59:59 GMT
no sense of it travelling at any speed and despite the fact that it can travel thousands of miles overnight, without anyone navigating it yet it can't manage to find it's way up the Thames without being pulled by a tugboat. Wow! You MCU fans really do need everything spelled out for you. The Thames is a heavily-traveled waterway so boats can't just travel at high speeds on the Thames like they can on the open ocean. When I drive from San Francisco to Los Angeles, I take the Interstate-5 highway. The speed limit is 65 MPH but I've sometimes driven as high as 85 MPH or 90 MPH on I-5 when there are no other cars around for miles. But when I drive on a city street, I don't drive 85 MPH or 90 MPH because there are more cars and pedestrians around. Same with the Thames. Boats can travel at high speeds in the open ocean but it's unsafe to travel at high speeds on the Thames because there are too many other boats going up and down the Thames. Why would the Amazonians need a high speed boat if they do not intend to travel beyond their waters? Wow! You need that spelled out for you to. Diana is the Godkiller so her destiny is to face and defeat Ares (similar to how Perseus' destiny was to face and defeat the Kraken). In order for Diana to face and defeat Ares, 1 of 2 things must happen. Either: 1. Ares finds Themyscira and goes to Themyscira and then Diana and Ares battle in Themyscira. or 2. Diana leaves Themyscira to go find Ares and then Diana and Ares battle somewhere outside Themyscira. So Zeus created a boat for Diana to be able to leave Themyscira to go find Ares. Try exercising the brain cells once in a awhile. It's not that complicated. Basically, either Ares finds Diana or Diana finds Ares. So Zeus created the boat so Diana could go find Ares (similar to how the gods gave Perseus gifts to help him defeat the Kraken).
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Post by sostie on Sept 1, 2018 22:36:36 GMT
no sense of it travelling at any speed and despite the fact that it can travel thousands of miles overnight, without anyone navigating it yet it can't manage to find it's way up the Thames without being pulled by a tugboat. Wow! You MCU fans really do need everything spelled out for you. The Thames is a heavily-traveled waterway so boats can't just travel at high speeds on the Thames like they can on the open ocean. When I drive from San Francisco to Los Angeles, I take the Interstate-5 highway. The speed limit is 65 MPH but I've sometimes driven as high as 85 MPH or 90 MPH on I-5 when there are no other cars around for miles. But when I drive on a city street, I don't drive 85 MPH or 90 MPH because there are more cars and pedestrians around. Same with the Thames. Boats can travel at high speeds in the open ocean but it's unsafe to travel at high speeds on the Thames because there are too many other boats going up and down the Thames. So the boat can navigate itself, seemingly on it's own, at high speed, through the Aegean Sea, navigating past many tiny islands, West through the Mediterranean, through the Strait Of Girbraltar, round the coast of Spain & Portugal, North towards the English Channel, up the River Thames, ensuring it takes the correct tributary, whilst avoiding detection by other vessels, yet it cannot navigate the Thames!!! Admit it you are just winging it. Remember when you tried to explain the use of the tugboat because locks along the Thames needed to be navigated...that is until you were informed there are no locks along the Thames. Your analogy might be comparable if you sat in your car while it travelled on it's own without you touching any controls during the journey. A lot of people may need this all spelt out to them....it seems you are the only person on the web that I can find that uses this out of the blue excuse of a Magic Boat for what the rest of the web seems to have accepted as a bit of a fuck up. I'd bother replying if this had any bearing...but it's based on an excuse that is nothing short of utter bollocks, and therefore a waste of time
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 2, 2018 14:55:19 GMT
They will get dumber thats for certain. Can't get much dumber than Apocalypse and soon to be Dark Phoenix. They should have stopped with Logan and end things on a high note. You forgot Deadpool 2. Unless you mean the regular "continuity".
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 2, 2018 15:00:33 GMT
what is strange about black panther, why was that not heavily criticised..... the bad cgi scenes. it was less than a year ago, the media was mocking justice league's CGI
xmen origins had bad cgi scenes, that was mark down badly
JL had bad cgi scenes that was marked down badly
black panther had bad cgi scenes, add to the formula redo Thor 1 story and somehow it is the best mcu movie. lol..so called highest rated movie of all time on RT?
take first class, what aspect of black panther topped the scene from first class when it came to the combination of story telling, character development, music score and use of cgi
oh and xmen is darker and more serious because that is the comic story. even XMEN TAS and X-Men Evolution followed that rule. and the reason mcu xmen will fail but by then, the genre will be dead so when mcu xmen is out that looks like batman and robin, no one but rapid mcu fans will care but it will get worse, when mcu xmen is dismissed. meanwhile, people's love for films like X2 and DOFP will only grow more due to how bad mcu xmen is.
as I always said, it is not as if last jedi, force awakens and homecoming are bad to the bones, it is because we have already seen superior movies outside of the disney formula garbage.
Actually, read any reviews, and the CGI is a common complaint for Black Panther. However, you can have any film with bad CGI, as long as the story and script and the characters and everything else are good. Disregarding your opinion of Black Panther, the general consensus was that Black Panther was a good story and had really good performances. I didn't think it was amazing and I wished it focused more on the isolation concept rather than racism, but the performances were good and it was hardly a redo of Thor's story. Likewise, you can even have a film with a shit story and script, but can still admire it for its visual effects if they're good. I think Avatar is one of the dumbest movies ever, but James Cameron knows how to do CGI and visuals and its still impressive to look at. Justice League and Origins failed on both fronts. They both had horrible storytelling with equally shit visuals and CGI. And to answer your question regarding a scene that tops the submarine scene from First Class, I'd say Kilmonger's introduction. Its a great moment of character depth and development in a matter of minutes through MBJ's charisma and acting. Yes, it plays the race card with Kilmonger which some could argue is a cop-out when movies do that, but it uses it intelligently in Black Panther. Another scene is the first fight scene between T'Challah and M'Baku. You can't deny that the effort the creators went behind assembling and designing the costumes, not just for the main characters, but the extras as well. And it's also a great piece of storytelling and development for T'Challah's character. You're welcome to dismiss everything I said because that's what you do anyway, but you can't complain that I didn't answer the question. You know what is funny though!?! You complain that the supposed MCU version of the X-Men will be like Batman and Robin, yet, the MCU knows how to go dark and serious when it needs to. Winter Soldier and Black Panther are arguably a couple of their best movies, and also the ones with the least amount of humor. So you're only living in a bubble where you think they'll be a comedy movie where in reality, if they do decide to bring in the X-Men film, they're more than likely to go the route of Winter Soldier and Black Panther. Problem is, you don't want to admit that because you're afraid they could actually do a better movie than X2 or DoFP. There no racism concept. It was all us vs them. Even other Africans. Only thing of race I can think of is Kilmonger saying you are also isolating people that look like us.
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Post by summers8 on Sept 2, 2018 15:32:46 GMT
break down rules for mcu lunatics on story telling.
Killmonger has no chrisma. he is one note. killmonger is what django would have been without his wife and dr schutlz but since Tarentino is an excellent writer, he was wise enough to give Djano supporting characters that made him more than one note. loki had charisma because loki could show many emotions, if Killmonger had an introduction it will be remembered but it is not. Fassbender made first class. Even the introduction scene were he stared at shaw's picture with no dialogue was far more threaten that anything killmonger did.. no scene of killmonger is that good in acting. this is what you call charisma because magneto can actually look innocent when he wants to, it is what has always made him dangerous unlike killmonger ...am always an angry black man. poor mcu fans, they try to hype another wasted villain that disney gave a simple script. enjoy...this stuff will come back and hunt you all when mcu xmen BOMBS
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 2, 2018 16:51:45 GMT
break down rules for mcu lunatics on story telling.
Killmonger has no chrisma. he is one note. killmonger is what django would have been without his wife and dr schutlz but since Tarentino is an excellent writer, he was wise enough to give Djano supporting characters that made him more than one note. loki had charisma because loki could show many emotions, if Killmonger had an introduction it will be remembered but it is not. Fassbender made first class. Even the introduction scene were he stared at shaw's picture with no dialogue was far more threaten that anything killmonger did.. no scene of killmonger is that good in acting. this is what you call charisma because magneto can actually look innocent when he wants to, it is what has always made him dangerous unlike killmonger ...am always an angry black man. poor mcu fans, they try to hype another wasted villain that disney gave a simple script. enjoy...this stuff will come back and hunt you all when mcu xmen BOMBS You did exactly what I expected; dismiss everything I said because you're biased and hate everything MCU. This is why the likes of you and DC-Fan can't have a discussion, because you disregard everything the other says and try to turn your opinions into facts I don't deny Fassbender was really good as Magneto (tho I still prefer McKellen) but Kilmonger was just as charismatic as a villain. But you're just a biased DC fan who will lump together all the MCU films and call them the same.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 9:31:03 GMT
I don’t think this board has too many of those. This board mainly has people who hate the MCU because they’re butthurt about the fact that it’s more successful than the DCEU and/or the X-Men franchise. Those folk need a bit of this in their lives
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