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Post by london777 on Apr 23, 2020 20:35:56 GMT
As I wrote on Japanese movie thread, I enjoy reading all your posts, but I have nothing to add that is of any value. Then hit back hard with your own Classical Swedish Cinema Discussion Thread. I do not know if Danish and Norwegian movies are widely shown in Sweden? If so, you could throw them into the mix. But Swedish only would do just fine.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 23, 2020 21:09:00 GMT
As I wrote on Japanese movie thread, I enjoy reading all your posts, but I have nothing to add that is of any value. Then hit back hard with your own Classical Swedish Cinema Discussion Thread. I do not know if Danish and Norwegian movies are widely shown in Sweden? If so, you could throw them into the mix. But Swedish only would do just fine. I am sorry I have been away from Classic cinema board for a long time. I am going to watch Rocco and His Brothers (1960) this weekend and I will make sure to review that. I am thankful to all you people for making this such an enjoyable thread.
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Post by london777 on Apr 24, 2020 0:51:33 GMT
Les Yeux Sans Visage, which was really good, made me think of similar movies. Les Yeux Sans Visage brings the total number of movies with a similar plot to about 3-4. That plot revolves around stealing faces. Stealing them or covering a disfigured face with a mask and exploring how it changes the character. There's Les Yeux Sans Visage (France), The Face of Another (Japanese), Corruption (Britain), Vanilla Sky (America), and Open Your Eyes (Spain, and also the film Vanilla Sky is based on).
It seems to transcend cultures, in enough examples that I think there may be a pattern.
As you say, a recurring theme. We can add BAT's favorite The Face Behind the Mask (1941) dir: Robert Florey, Dark Passage (1947) dir: Delmer Daves, the first section of the portmanteau film Le Plaisir (1952) dir: Max Ophuls, and Face/Off (1997) dir: John Woo, among others.
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Post by london777 on Apr 24, 2020 2:06:32 GMT
I am up-to-date with this long thread at last, although I hope that there will be further interesting posts to be added. Thank you everyone, for giving us the benefit of your knowledge and opinions. I have added quite a few titles to my shopping list and will be re-watching many which I have seen only once (rarely sufficient for even a half-decent movie).
Having conquered this thread, perhaps I will summon up the courage to tackle its Japanese equivalent?
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Post by london777 on Apr 24, 2020 15:28:54 GMT
May I thank Aj_june for starting this thread, one of the most informative on the board? I was late to this party. You guys and gals had already racked up eleven information-packed pages before I arrived. I therefore assumed there would be no movies left for me to nominate, but I found there have been some surprising omissions. For starters, possibly my favorite French movie ever, and one which I wrongly assumed, because of its subject matter, would be a big deal here. It was the movie which re-awoke my interest in French cinema. I had been caught up in all the New Wave hype in the 'sixties, but had only rarely watched French movies in more recent decades until this movie stimulated my taste-buds again: Laissez-passer Safe Conduct (2002) dir: Bertrand Tavernier is about making movies under the German Occupation, with a thin fictional veneer. While the number of films released may have diminished, there was no fall-off in quality, and some of the greatest French movie emerged at that tragic time. Some of the major figures in French cinema appear as characters, Maurice Tourneur, Spaak, Autant-Lara, etc. The hero is Jean Devaivre (played by Jacques Gamblin), who was a real-life post-war director who only made a couple of half-decent movies before lapsing into mediocrity. The second strand in the movie is Devaivre's Resistance activities. These involved a trip to England as courier, and this is a really clunky part of the movie, included no doubt to add a little exciting action for the viewing public as well as honoring Devaivre's courage, but the long movie (nearly three hours) could have done without it. Otherwise I have only good things to say, and anyone interested in French cinema of the '40s should see it. Note that the Nazis were running short of hand-guns by the later stages of the war:
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Post by london777 on Apr 24, 2020 16:30:20 GMT
Alice ou la Dernière Fugue (1977) dir: Claude Chabrol Checking it out on IMDb, I found this: Sylvia Kristel said in a 1981 interview that she feels this movie bombed because she only had one nude scene. She said "For some reason the roles in which I keep my clothes on never become successful movies."Think about it, Sylvia. As you say, there is a reason. And it is less to do with your beautiful body than your acting ability.
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Post by london777 on Apr 24, 2020 16:38:36 GMT
Pre-dating the British “Kitchen Sink” films by a decade ... Plenty of British "Kitchen Sink" movies in the late '40s and early '50s. Just not labelled as such at that time. Working-class social realism.
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Post by morrisondylanfan on Apr 24, 2020 17:29:51 GMT
Still on YouTube but no longer with English subtitles, unfortunately. Checking it out on IMDb, I found this: Sylvia Kristel said in a 1981 interview that she feels this movie bombed because she only had one nude scene. She said "For some reason the roles in which I keep my clothes on never become successful movies."Think about it, Sylvia. As you say, there is a reason. And it is less to do with your beautiful body than your acting ability. I've just checked London,the file still has Eng Subs. You click on the "CC" www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkWCsYLWxqA&t=4s
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Post by london777 on Apr 24, 2020 17:57:16 GMT
You are right, thanks. That is my evening viewing sorted, and for free too, which is even better. Of course I know about the CC button. I tried that first time around and again after reading your recent post. Only saw French automatically-generated subtitles. Then I clicked on the "screen-shaped" button to the left. When I clicked on subtitles there I had to sign in to confirm my age. Having done that, no problems! Never been through that process before. I wonder how many other movies I have missed out on? Lots of interesting Russian movies are announced on YouTube as "with English sub-titles", but no dice. Many thanks for taking the trouble to come back to me. I will post what I think of the movie tomorrow. Maybe it was a health-related safety precaution and watching Sylvia Kristel naked is bad for my heart at a few days short of 80, so they wanted to warn me? They need not have worried. She is not my type. After 13 years in the Caribbean I have evolved a specific taste.
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Post by london777 on Apr 24, 2020 20:55:50 GMT
I was late to this party. You guys and gals had already racked up eleven information-packed pages before I arrived. I therefore assumed there would be no movies left for me to nominate, but I found there have been some surprising omissions. The second movie I was surprised to find that no-one had even mentioned is Le Fabuleux Destin d'Amélie Poulain (2001) dir: Jean-Pierre Jeunet, better known worldwide simply as Amélie. It must be the best-known French movie of this millenium, and gained a host of awards and nominations at the Oscars, Golden Globes and Baftas. Now I get that the shine may have worn off a bit since once the hype died down. It is not a movie I am in a rush to watch for the third, fourth ... (nth) time. But it cannot be denied that it was something utterly new when it appeared, so different from anglophone romcoms and cookie-cutter comedies. And it still rates a very high 8.3 on IMDb today. My suspicion is that Manic Pixie Dream girls make many of us, after reflection, uncomfortable. We feel we have been suckered. Worse, they are ever in danger of tipping over into sociopathic behaviour. First time round we were swept away by Amélie's cute vivacity and apparent unselfishness. But on reflection, we realize that she is a deeply disturbed person who may end up doing a lot of damage to herself and/or others. Her back story in the movie gives clues why she might have grown up disturbed. Her upbringing was far from normal. In real life, would you seriously want someone like that in your office, or apartment block? It would get old real quick. And if you think I am exaggerating, I can tell you that Jeunet named her "Amélie" after Emily Watson in "Breaking the Waves" because he thought the two characters had something in common. And we know what happened to EW. It was not pretty, So if you were in the minority who disliked the flick on first viewing, probably because you found Amélie's cutesy behavior too saccharin, try watching it again as a psychological drama, where the sequel, Amelie 2, will probably be a slasher movie. Whatever, it is an important movie in French cinematic history, if only because it helped to open doors for other French productions.
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Post by manfromplanetx on Apr 24, 2020 21:02:49 GMT
It had been ten years and thousands of quality films since since last watching Robert Bresson's Pickpocket (1959) completely forgotten I was absolutely stunned by the artistic genius after a recent reappraisal.... Filmed in the bare minimalist style of the director, the compelling drama is intricately plotted & choregraphed , focusing intensely on the “confinement” of the main character a striking debut from a non actor Martin LaSalle and his efforts to avoid capture after the thrill of pickpocket crime. With remarkable composition who else could frame a doorway with such profound dimension, Taking us out of the flow of action and into reflection , shots often begin with just a static view of a room or a doorway captured for several seconds before anyone appears, once departing from the scene the camera is still held on the now-empty setting as we process our thoughts. Bresson wrote the original screenplay, A masterwork that expresses Dostoyevsky, Nietzsche and Camus through its fascinating protagonist. It has been said the film is an example of "parametric narration" ? one in which the style "dominates or is seemingly equal in importance to the plot.
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Post by london777 on Apr 24, 2020 21:40:16 GMT
Sticking with Jean-Pierre Jeunet, his next film after "Amélie" was Un Long Dimanche de Fiançailles (2004) A Very Long Engagement. At least this has been mentioned once. Our discerning friend Old Aussie cites it as one of his two favorite French films (admittedly from a small sample). It is a superb film. The fundamental genre is a romance: girl gets tired of waiting for the return of her fiancé missing in WWI and embarks on a quest to track him down, which leads her to meet all sorts of people and hear their stories. But Jeunet plays with all the genres. He shows he can make a war film with the best of them (including an homage to Kirk Douglas stoically making his way through the trenches). And a detective movie, and a rustic life comedy, and a spy movie, and a social realist critique. Mixing genres can be disastrous, but Jeunet pulls it all off brilliantly. (Tatou still acts a bit Amelie-ish at times, but if you were not familiar with the previous movie this would not catch your attention. In between those two movies she starred in Stephen Frears' "Dirty Pretty Things" [2002] as a Turkish illegal immigrant in London and was very different). Marion Cotillard plays an assassin and Jodie Foster speaks fluent French. What more do you want? The best French film this millenium. Recommended by Old Aussie and myself!
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Post by london777 on Apr 24, 2020 23:17:12 GMT
We have not finished with Jean-Pierre Jeunet yet. What about his steam-punk trilogy? Jeunet shared directorial credits with Marc Caro on the first two of these, as on many early works before they hit the big-time. Their relationship reminds me of that between the magicians (Angier and Borden) and John Cutter, the ingenieur who designed their tricks and machinery, in "The Prestige" (and this no doubt reflected most real-life acts). There is a direct line from Jeunet back to Méliès who played both roles, being an engineer, illusionist and film director. Jeunet has said he is not so interested in plot as in spectacle (though his greatest film, "Un Long Dimanche de Fiançailles" [2004] more than satisfies on both counts). He coached the actors, while Caro was his ingenieur, coming up with an endless stream of ingenious props and steam-punk devices. The downside is that, having invested so much time, money and mechanical genius in these wonderful gimmicks, they gave them too much footage. "The Steam-punk Trilogy" of black comedies (my own nomenclature) comprises: Delicatessen (1991) about citizens driven to cannibalism in some future dystopian Paris. The interesting thing about this is how it strongly reflects the desperate food shortages during the German Occupation (and even worse, after the Liberation) as shown in films like "Laissez-passer" Safe Conduct (2002) dir: Bertrand Tavernier and "Le Dernier Métro" (1980) dir: François Truffaut, which depict incessant haggling and squabbling over provisions. La Cité des Enfants Perdus (1995) is about the theft of street children by a mad scientist who wishes to steal their dreams to prolong his own life. As Jeunet acquired a growing budget the film expanded in length and ambition. I suspect Jeunet lost the plot a bit, but it is never less than an eyeful. Jeunet says it is suitable for children. Hmmmm. Micmacs à tire-larigot (2009) is an anti-war film. Two friends plot to bring down two large companies of arms-manufacturers by playing them off against each other. Caro did not co-direct on this one, though there is no shortage of wacky gadgets. These are not great films but all are worth a look and a mention in this thread. They evoke the spirit of the silent era at times.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 25, 2020 18:46:06 GMT
Then hit back hard with your own Classical Swedish Cinema Discussion Thread. I do not know if Danish and Norwegian movies are widely shown in Sweden? If so, you could throw them into the mix. But Swedish only would do just fine. I am sorry I have been away from Classic cinema board for a long time. I am going to watch Rocco and His Brothers (1960) this weekend and I will make sure to review that. I am thankful to all you people for making this such an enjoyable thread. How stupid of me to assume Rocco and His Brothers (1960) was a French film based on Alain Delon in the star cast. I fee like an idiot. Anyway, I would write a separate thread after I finish it.
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Post by london777 on Apr 25, 2020 23:11:02 GMT
So impressed was I with Bertrand Tavernier's Laissez-passer (2002, see my post above) that I invested in his Voyage à travers le Cinéma Français (2016). I was hoping for a brief crammer course in the history of French cinema, but instead of finding myself in a virtual classroom, I felt that I had wandered into a private house-party where most of the guests knew each other but I knew no-one. It is not a chronological survey, sometimes he comments on films by genre and sometimes by star, and I found it hard to keep track. It is somewhat restricted to those films from which he was permitted to show excerpts, so some big titles and important directors are not touched on. And it is a very personal survey, so he omits people he does not know or does not like. Now I have seen a few more of the famous French classics I hope that I will get more out of it on a second viewing. Another Tavernier movie I own is In the Electric Mist (2009) starring Tommy Lee Jones in one of James Lee Burke's "Dave Robicheaux" tales. A routine crime story "enlivened" by supernatural visitors, although most of the characters drink so much Bourbon they could be excused for seeing anything. I expect the book made more sense. I could not negotiate the ebonics in 'Round Midnight (1986) so gave up after 15 minutes. As spiderwort liked it, I may try harder. Coup de Torchon (1981) and Un Dimanche à la Campagne (1984) are on my shopping list.
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Post by london777 on Apr 25, 2020 23:57:29 GMT
Posters here were debating whether Jacque Audiard's De Battre mon Coeur s'est Arrêté (2005) is the best French crimi this millenium. I did not like it much, but I would make the same claim instead for his Un Prophète (2009). It is the story of how a French Algerian teenager sent, terrified, to prison for a minor offence eventually claws his way up to become a powerful gang-leader. Tahar Rahim presents a deep and shaded portrayal of the young man who has to weigh the claims of loyalty, ambition and conscience. I also liked Audiard's latest theatrical release Les Frères Sisters (2018), a very original western shot in Spain, Romania and a Parisian studio. See my comments here: link
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Post by london777 on Apr 28, 2020 0:30:20 GMT
I am not sure if I can squeeze my next title past Aj_June's rigorous frontier guards. It is set in Paris, was filmed entirely in Paris, is in French and most of the cast are French, including Jean-Pierre Léaud. It is based on a classic French novel. The production company is international but seem to be based in France. If submitted for an Oscar (which it was not - boo!) I guess it would have to be submitted as a French film. Good enough, Aj_June? Well maybe not, because the director is Finn Aki Kaurismäki, two of the four leads are Finnish, as are most of the production crew. (Spot the cameos from Louis Malle and Samuel Fuller). La Vie de Bohème (1992) is fairly closely based on Henrik Murger's novel "Scènes de la vie de bohème", which has suffered many interpretations down the years, most famously Puccini's opera "La Bohème", but also the theatre musical and its cinematic version Rent (2005). Kaurismäki's film cleaned up at the European Film Awards of 1992 and is available from Criterion.
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Post by london777 on Apr 28, 2020 0:56:13 GMT
My previous post has been uploaded at least twenty minutes, I have checked my emails, and I have yet to receive any "Cease and Desist" injunctions from Aj_June, so I will go for broke and add another Aki Kaurismäki movie. It is Le Havre (2011), his second French film, and featuring many of the actors and crew from his previous one. Indeed, the lead is French actor Andre Wilms, a Kaurismäki stalwart, again playing Marcel Marx from "La Vie de Bohème" (1992), now even more run-down and facing his end. But it is a different sort of movie. A satirical wit and a warm humanitarianism are always present in Kaurismäki's movies, but here the latter takes precedence as Marx and his down-and-out friends combine to hide an African boy, an illegal migrant, from the authorities and the local neo-fascist informer.
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Post by morrisondylanfan on May 27, 2020 20:19:42 GMT
Hi all,after hearing about it for ages,I decided to finally see a Comedy from Jean Rollin! "How does it feel, how does it feel?,To be without a home Like a complete unknown, like a Rollin stone. " Schoolgirl Hitchhikers (1973) 7. Made under a alias, directing auteur Jean Rollin (who has a funny cameo) reunites with his regular cinematographer of this period Jean-Jacques Renon and shows his hand from the moment Monica walks down a staircase in a manor house wearing a nightgown. Hitching a ride in the middle of his Horror run, Rollin continues to stylishly expand on his major recurring motifs, hitching Monica and her friend/ partner Jackie to a isolated manor house,frozen in wide-shots panning across the stilted surrounding woodland, landing on chic, shot through colourful panel lighting frolics of the duo and thieves. Wisely not going for extreme close-ups on the raunchy thrills, Rollin keeps his unique mood flowing with soft-lit close-ups on the faces of the kinky duo. Rollin also displays an unexpected charm for a Comedy farce, gleefully mocking shoot-outs in Crime flicks with a extended fight between investigators and thieves. Acting regularly in Rollin’s films, the screenplay (this site lists her as “Script”) by Natalie Perrey is dented by clear jumps/scenes being cut, (presumable for those being moments where Adult inserts were to to be placed) but overcomes those problem with a playful Grindhouse take on Rollin’s themes, with the jewel robbery gang finding their plans interrupted by the hypnotic Monica (played by a sultry Joelle Coeur) and Gilda Arancio (played by a eager Gilda Arancio) going for a hitch-hike. My Rollin rank from best-worst: The Night of the Hunted Fascination Living Dead Girl Two Orphan Vampires Schoolgirl Hitchhikers La nuit des horloges Sidewalks of Bangkok The Escapees
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Post by teleadm on Jun 18, 2020 6:36:09 GMT
After reading a review written by morrisondylanfan I decided to give Dernier domicile connu aka Last Known Adress 1970 a shot. Since it starred Lino Ventura, who over the years has turned into one my favorite French actors over the last few years, helped a lot too. It wasn't the crime thriller that I had expected, it's more a character drama with a crime that needs to be solved within a few days before a trial. Ventura and Marléne Jobert works well together as on odd couple who solves crime. I don't regret watching it and I liked it, it more or less hooked me from the start. Good use of locations in Paris, not exactly were tourists go, and the toned down use of Eastmancolor.
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