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Post by morrisondylanfan on Oct 14, 2018 19:14:33 GMT
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Post by morrisondylanfan on Oct 14, 2018 19:26:54 GMT
Marvellous thread, and so many that I’ve put on my to-see list; as much as I love French cinema, I’ve seen little compared to you fellas! I’m particularly fond of French crime-thrillers, as are many posters here, it seems: Clouzot, Chabrol. Has anyone here seen Chabrol’s bilingual Le scandale/ The Champagne Murders (’67)? It didn’t do very well at the box-office, but I thought it rather good, and it managed to surprise me at the end. Happy to see a mention of Indochine, which I thought amazingly effective and epical, especially for a picture that could have easily descended into soap-operatics. Anyone here seen the recent Des hommes et des dieux ( Of Gods and Men), which won a number of awards? Excellent. Hi Salzmank,I hope you are having a good weekend,and I was wondering if you are aware of the other Clouzot/ Perkins team-up Ten Days Wonder (1971)? With Champagne Murders,I found it to be a very interesting, stylish film,with this being what I wrote in 2016: 7/10 www.imdb.com/review/rw3492466/?ref_=tt_urvI also hope you don't mind me asking how you would rank CC's films? Out of what I've seen,my list (from best-worst) This Man Must Die. Hell/L'enfer Line of Demarcation À double tour Champagne Murders Le Boucher Madame Bovary La Cérémonie The Girl Cut in Two
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 14, 2018 19:29:27 GMT
Hi morrisondylanfan, Yes, I am aware of Ten Days Wonder—it’s based on my favorite Ellery Queen book, in fact. I’ve seen parts of it but never (if I’m remembering correctly) the whole thing. Unfortunately, I haven’t seen that many Chabrols (though I like what I’ve seen), so I’m not sure I’m the best person to rank them…
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Post by rudeboy on Oct 15, 2018 4:15:14 GMT
I also hope you don't mind me asking how you would rank CC's films? Out of what I've seen,my list (from best-worst) This Man Must Die. Hell/L'enfer Line of Demarcation À double tour Champagne Murders Le Boucher Madame Bovary La Cérémonie The Girl Cut in Two Hope you don't mind me jumping in here... I have only seen a few of Chabrol's films but I like them all to some degree - and we agree on the best, it would seem! This Man Must Die Story of Women **my favourite Huppert performance, I think... she is always sublime, but this is a performance for the ages. Le Boucher La Cérémonie Merci pour le chocolat I really need to see some of his others, such an interesting filmmaker.
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 15, 2018 4:26:42 GMT
hitchcockthelegendI have seen both of them and think they are both excellent. I am sure you will enjoy them a lot. And it's interesting that Brits refer to Elevator to the Gallows as Lift to Scaffold. Both of the names sound so stylish!
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 15, 2018 7:03:49 GMT
I love French movies. In all seriousness, from what I have seen, I think that France makes the best movies in the world. Italy would be a close second.
The first half of the 1970s American cinema is awfully good, too.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 15, 2018 7:05:21 GMT
Good top ten list - I have seen 7 of them and they are all good - very fond of Chabrol, Truffaut, Clouzot Louis Malle and the underrated Rene Clement
My favourite French Film is this one
My most wanted is LES LOUVES/DEMONIAC/THE SHE WOLVES - a 1957 thriller from the Boileau/Narjac team who wrote LES DIABOLIQUES and the novel which became VERTIGO. Assumed identities , POW camp escapees, murder and blackmail feature , with Francois Perier our hero and Jeanne Moreau, Madeleine Robinson and recent birthday girl Micheline Presle the three different women he becomes involved with. Source for English subbed or dubbed version welcome. I really liked "Bay of Angels". Stunning Jeanne Moreau cannot be touched. If I were heterosexual, I would be infatuated with her.
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Post by rudeboy on Oct 15, 2018 7:15:21 GMT
I love French movies. In all seriousness, from what I have seen, I think that France makes the best movies in the world. It's certainly a contender. Japan would be in the running for me, too. An awful lot of truly great French movies, and some of the major French filmmakers rarely seemed to put a foot wrong, at least from what I've seen of their work.
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Oct 15, 2018 8:01:30 GMT
Wotcher mdf I definitely haven't seen it, but I saw The Strangers and that kind of put me off as I thought that was pants. I should give it a go because the home invasion splinter of horror has irritated me, and Ils prolly should have been one of my first port of calls. The French most likely have done it better!
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Oct 15, 2018 14:47:24 GMT
Ordered that and Frontière(s) (2007), now got another 3 French horrors to watch for the challenge
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Post by morrisondylanfan on Oct 16, 2018 18:04:51 GMT
Ordered that and Frontière(s) (2007), now got another 3 French horrors to watch for the challenge I look forward to reading about what you think of Them,Spike,and have you seen Ryan Hollinger's detailed vid essay on French Horror of the early 2000's?
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Post by morrisondylanfan on Oct 17, 2018 18:04:16 GMT
Hi all,after seeing The She-Wolves I spoke to fellow IMDber dbdumonteil,who told me about another Boileau-Narcejac adaptation,this time by Henri Decoin. Since having enjoyed all the Boileau-Narcejac adaptations, and finding Decoin's Beating Heart/Battement de coeur (1940) to be sparkling,this became my first non-Horror viewing of October. Maléfices/Where the Truth Lies (1962) 9 “It is impossible to save the victim,as long as the author of the spell is not reduced to impotence.” Gliding along the floor towards François like a Gothic Horror queen, Juliette Gréco gives a mesmerising performance as Myriam. Calling François over to her as a Femme Fatale siren,Gréco keeps Myriam’s spikes pointed,with every abrasive off-the-cuff line she unleashes,increasing François’s lust for her. Holding François and maid Ronga (played by a very good Mathé Mansoura in her lone credit-one of the few times a black person is given a prominent role) from entering her personal space, Gréco holds Myriam’s cards tight,and pulls on the ambiguity of no one being able to get up close and personal with her. Finding more than a leopard when he visits to care for Myriam’s pet, Jean-Marc Bory gives an excellent turn as Film Noir loner François, whose fresh-faced innocent love for his wife Bory chisels down to fear and lust over the spell Myriam has cast on his heart. Finding her husband to become distant,Liselotte Pulver tenderly has Catherine sink into a sickness which raises François doubts over his secret love. Tightening the web Myriam and François are held in, co-writer/(with Albert Husson) director Henri Decoin crisply adapts Boileau-Narcejac’s novel, (which runs as an extended flashback,left out in the film version) with the writers exploring the paranoia at the heart of all Boileau-Narcejac adaptation, via François never being fully relaxed around Myriam and always having his back up against the wall, held in a vice-like grip of doubt by the writers,over the at face value love from Myriam. Holding Catherine up ill in bed, the writers turn the screws on Myriam’s tropical past and unravel her suspected spells that cast out to François the choice to sink or swim in the Film Noir ocean. Filmed on Noirmoutier Island at a time when the only way to reach the island was via a periodically flooded causeway called The Passage Du Gois (a bridge was built in 1971) director Henri Decoin & cinematographer Marcel Grignon fly above the Gois in a dazzling opening shot that brings impending doom onto the island. On the Film Noir shore, Decoin stylishly uses strands of light (backed by a sharp, Jazzy score from Pierre Henry) to brew a supernatural (not horror) atmosphere transfixing François. Leaving the Noir open-ended, Decoin follows François in a wide shot to where the truth lies.
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Post by morrisondylanfan on Oct 18, 2018 19:20:39 GMT
I also hope you don't mind me asking how you would rank CC's films? Out of what I've seen,my list (from best-worst) This Man Must Die. Hell/L'enfer Line of Demarcation À double tour Champagne Murders Le Boucher Madame Bovary La Cérémonie The Girl Cut in Two Hope you don't mind me jumping in here... I have only seen a few of Chabrol's films but I like them all to some degree - and we agree on the best, it would seem! This Man Must Die Story of Women **my favourite Huppert performance, I think... she is always sublime, but this is a performance for the ages. Le Boucher La Cérémonie Merci pour le chocolat I really need to see some of his others, such an interesting filmmaker. Hi Rudeboy,it is good to see you here,and thank you for the Chabrol list, (I've not heard of Story of Women before.) and I was wondering what did you think of La Cérémonie. Out of the CC's I've seen, Cérémonie is the main one which fell below expectations. At his best,Chabrol's films have a suspenseful atmosphere, where a murder could take place at any moment. Despite the cast being good,and it being based on Ruth Rendell's novel,I found the film to feel really detached, due to there being little slow-burn tension between the maid and family,and the ending just being a late dash to the finish line.
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Oct 19, 2018 20:17:01 GMT
Ordered that and Frontière(s) (2007), now got another 3 French horrors to watch for the challenge I look forward to reading about what you think of Them,Spike,and have you seen Ryan Hollinger's detailed vid essay on French Horror of the early 2000's? On it.
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Post by teleadm on Oct 20, 2018 15:19:27 GMT
Since I noticed that today is Jean-Pierre Melvilles birthday, I hope I will have time tomorrow to watch Le cercle rouge 1970, that I actually think is a bit better than the more famous Du rififi chez les hommes 1955.
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Post by rudeboy on Oct 21, 2018 0:08:32 GMT
Hope you don't mind me jumping in here... I have only seen a few of Chabrol's films but I like them all to some degree - and we agree on the best, it would seem! This Man Must Die Story of Women **my favourite Huppert performance, I think... she is always sublime, but this is a performance for the ages. Le Boucher La Cérémonie Merci pour le chocolat I really need to see some of his others, such an interesting filmmaker. Hi Rudeboy,it is good to see you here,and thank you for the Chabrol list, (I've not heard of Story of Women before.) and I was wondering what did you think of La Cérémonie. Out of the CC's I've seen, Cérémonie is the main one which fell below expectations. At his best,Chabrol's films have a suspenseful atmosphere, where a murder could take place at any moment. Despite the cast being good,and it being based on Ruth Rendell's novel,I found the film to feel really detached, due to there being little slow-burn tension between the maid and family,and the ending just being a late dash to the finish line. I pretty much agree, although I am perhaps a little more favourable towards it than you. I cut it quite a lot of slack for performances this classy. But you are on the money about the ending, both the ultimate actions of the two women and the final scene which suggested where things went from there. Story of Women, a World War II set story, is quite wonderful and not at all what I expected. Definitely worth seeking out.
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Post by morrisondylanfan on Oct 23, 2018 21:03:48 GMT
Hi all.after the discussions here,I saw a new Chabrol: Les Biches (1968) 8 Revealing in a later interview that this was the title where he realised that in the murder mystery genre his interest was not in the solving of a case,but wanting to “study the human behaviour of people involved in murder”, co-writer/ (with Paul Gégauff) directing auteur Claude Chabrol & cinematographer Jean Rabier display a crystallised vision, shimming in stylish tracking shots across the windows Why sees Thomas and Frédérique wealth reflecting from. Along with indulging in his taste for fine food on screen, Chabrol continues dissecting the bourgeoisie, in Frédérique lavishly throwing money at any problem, until Why revealing that her desire can’t be paid for, with the desire being Why wanting to transform into Frédérique. Including the lesbian sub-plot as an attempt to boost the box office, (the film ended up not being successful)the screenplay by Chabrol and Gégauff does sadly fit into the era of lesbian lovers not being able to have a happy ending,but the writers overcome this with a sharp exploration of Chabrol’s continuing motifs. Wrapping Why around Frédérique, the writers brilliantly dip into Neo-Noir mind-games, fuelled by Frédérique’s pulling Why along, as she embraces Thomas. Opening Why to an exploration of her identity, the writers wonderfully have her purity of love be grinned down by obsession of Frédérique, and the bourgeoisie gluttony of Thomas and Why. Proving that three’s a crowd, Jean-Louis Trintignant gives a very good performance as Thomas, whose lack of warmth has Trintignant freeing him up to be a vessel for Frédérique’s passions. Finding herself becoming an outcast, Jacqueline Sassard gives an incredibly delicate, subtle turn as Why, with Sassard bringing out in her body language a deep love for Frédérique,that is left shattered. Stealing everyone's hearts like a merciless Femme Fatale,Stéphane Audran gives a fantastic performance as Frédérique, via Audran giving Frédérique a compassionate façade that causes Why’s obsession to grow.
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Post by morrisondylanfan on Oct 24, 2018 13:26:21 GMT
Hi Rudeboy,it is good to see you here,and thank you for the Chabrol list, (I've not heard of Story of Women before.) and I was wondering what did you think of La Cérémonie. Out of the CC's I've seen, Cérémonie is the main one which fell below expectations. At his best,Chabrol's films have a suspenseful atmosphere, where a murder could take place at any moment. Despite the cast being good,and it being based on Ruth Rendell's novel,I found the film to feel really detached, due to there being little slow-burn tension between the maid and family,and the ending just being a late dash to the finish line. I pretty much agree, although I am perhaps a little more favourable towards it than you. I cut it quite a lot of slack for performances this classy. But you are on the money about the ending, both the ultimate actions of the two women and the final scene which suggested where things went from there. Story of Women, a World War II set story, is quite wonderful and not at all what I expected. Definitely worth seeking out. Hi Rudeboy,after reading the praise you gave up,I ordered Story of Women. When looking again at my CC list,something appeared missing. Checking his credits,I realised that I had somehow missed Chabrol's wonderful Fantasy film Alice or The Last Escapade (1977). I was wondering if you have seen Alice? I recently found it on YT with Eng Subs:
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Post by rudeboy on Oct 25, 2018 4:11:55 GMT
I pretty much agree, although I am perhaps a little more favourable towards it than you. I cut it quite a lot of slack for performances this classy. But you are on the money about the ending, both the ultimate actions of the two women and the final scene which suggested where things went from there. Story of Women, a World War II set story, is quite wonderful and not at all what I expected. Definitely worth seeking out. Hi Rudeboy,after reading the praise you gave up,I ordered Story of Women. When looking again at my CC list,something appeared missing. Checking his credits,I realised that I had somehow missed Chabrol's wonderful Fantasy film Alice or The Last Escapade (1977). I was wondering if you have seen Alice? I recently found it on YT with Eng Subs: I haven't seen it, or indeed heard anything about it! It looks like another one I would enjoy - thank you for the tip!
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Oct 29, 2018 23:39:49 GMT
Ordered that and Frontière(s) (2007), now got another 3 French horrors to watch for the challenge I look forward to reading about what you think of Them,Spike,and have you seen Ryan Hollinger's detailed vid essay on French Horror of the early 2000's? Wotcher mdf
Them - ils
Liked it, super sound work really helps the dreadful fear tone of the narrative. I was surprised at how short it was. I'm not sure I buy into the "based on a real story" side of things, I would have to research more on that. Excellent location work, the setting with the tunnels etc was ripe for horror. So all in all a very enjoyable and scary 7/10.
Thanks for the link mate, PC I am currently using has no sound so I'll watch it tonight after I watch Frontier(s).
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