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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Aug 26, 2018 21:10:54 GMT
He isn't the right one to make the point, since he isn't a popular actor and has always been a pretentious type. It's not wrong exactly, but he is saying it in the wrong way.
Corporations that make the films are only giving audiences dumbed down content and then promoting them in ridiculous ways. He wont say that because it is biting the hand that feeds him.
He should be saying that corporations are preventing content diversity.
It would be much better if someone like Paul Verhoeven or John McTiernan made the criticisms since they worked in audience-friendly genres.
Is Logan the best superhero movie possible? Far from it.
Bergman was a favorite with critics, not audiences. In a century no one will be talking about Bergman, especially in Sweden-they'll probably be reading the Koran.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 26, 2018 22:48:03 GMT
This looks more of the same with actors saying something isn't good because they want their work recognized. I'm afraid it's all a bit more impoverished and base than that. People who were once enormously pampered and privileged in their work are now finding themselves hopelessly outclassed and deeply confused by the new Hollywood landscape. What we're left with is their embarrassingly pompous and tedious reflections on old Hollywood. "It not Bergman." Oh, my word and, I suppose In A Valley of Violence is. Indeed. Still, you can't help but respect these defiant old timers. Hopefully Mr. Hawke's next Western or Romcom goes over a little better than the last. |
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Post by merh on Aug 28, 2018 10:18:41 GMT
Hollywood has always bowed to cash.
They arent making the volume of movies they once were so more than ever actors arr probably getting fewer "quality" scripts, but it has always been that. It has been the big movies, the popular crap, that has allowed for the sort of films Hawke is crying about to exist.
When John Oliver appears on Colbert's show, there is usually a joke or 2 about the Game of Thrones money paying fir a show like Oliver's to continue.
There are fewer big movies.
Hawke & Foster & whoever else should be grateful for the Marvel & Harry Potter & Transformer, etc which gives the studios cash to make the sort of films they want to act in.
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Post by merh on Aug 28, 2018 10:50:37 GMT
Wasn't his remake of Magnificent 7 kind of a superhero movie. All the way down to the over the top villain and each hero with a cliched power/specialty. I know in the original there was some of this, but they turned it to 11. Also the violence was also turned to 11. My SoCal ass has argued Marvel movies are westerns. The heroes band together, save the town, & ride off into the sunset. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Aug 28, 2018 12:05:44 GMT
I'm sorry, has Ethan Hawke been relevant recently? I must have forgotten. Seriously, this guy is just jealous. That is all it is. If the MCU called him today for a main role, he would be all over it. How was Daybreakers or The Purge or his 20 or so direct to video films in the past five years better than some of the best comic book movies like Logan, The Dark Knight, and Winter Soldier?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 28, 2018 12:26:35 GMT
It also sounds like he believes that a supherhero movie can't be a Great Film by definition. "It still involves people in tights with metal coming out of their hands. It’s not Bresson. It’s not Bergman. But they talk about it like it is..."And he objectively got something wrong. There was no one in tights in the movie. Even if you stretch the word "tights" to me a Uniform he's still wrong. Unless you consider tactical gear a private security force wears as tights or a superhero uniform. And this comes from someone who doesn't think Logan is a great film suphero or otherwise. I think it's just a good film. That's the part that stuck out to me, as well. Does he consider any of the classic westerns to be great films? Because they all involve people in cowboy hats with guns in their hands. It's not Bresson. It's not Bergman. I agree with him as far as people throwing around the term 'great' when it comes to film, but his exclusion of CBMs on principle alone isn't accurate. |
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Post by summers8 on Aug 28, 2018 14:03:05 GMT
In hawk's view great and superhero don't go together because the genre has no credibility. Logan to him is ...A fine superhero film in the midst of the trash but cannot be a great movie compared to the best movies ever made like Benman because the two words of superhero and great movie should not be used in his opinion. that one I disagree. reason I always said the grounded comic movies that took themselves seriously and were more director driven were the only comic films with any real credibility.
I think what also made him angry about Logan was that us comic fans, the media and the critics called it one of the greatest movie ever made and he hated that will all we say that.
it reminds me of 2008 when Robert Downy Jnr said TDK was not a good movie because we the people and critics called it one of the greatest movie ever made.
In other words...some think people over praise great movies.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 28, 2018 16:06:28 GMT
This looks more of the same with actors saying something isn't good because they want their work recognized. I'm afraid it's all a bit more impoverished and base than that. People who were once enormously pampered and privileged in their work are now finding themselves hopelessly outclassed and deeply confused by the new Hollywood landscape. What we're left with is their embarrassingly pompous and tedious reflections on old Hollywood. "It not Bergman." Oh, my word and, I suppose In A Valley of Violence is. Indeed. Still, you can't help but respect these defiant old timers. Hopefully Mr. Hawke's next Western or Romcom goes over a little better than the last. But the funny thing is is that these movies have been around a long time. This is just the next round of big action/adventure movies. I wonder if they don't like it because it is comic book superheroes that's the popular ones now. Then you have movies like Magnificent 7 and Training Day that are these big movies that nobody went to see him for. lol I guess he can say he was in those movies. Also, he was in Daybreakers... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 2:49:58 GMT
Interesting.
These movies take up a lot of public space. Their output is domineering and less budgeted (and hyped) movies have more of an uphill battle to compete. I get that and I get why an actor who's not apart of it would be less than thrilled by what the MCU following crowd lets slip through the cracks (perhaps Hawke's own recent movies included).
He should take the attitude that a good superhero movies is by any other definition a good movie. It's how I feel about romantic comedies; not my favorite catergory, but an exceptional romantic comedy is an exceptional movie.
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