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Post by RedDeadFallout on Aug 26, 2018 19:14:22 GMT
I understand why DC fans hate Marvel so much, I mean these guys are making movies with talking raccoons and walking trees, where a wrestler makes turd jokes and the main character starts a dance off, and yet they still mostly destroy DC at the box office and with critics. But it's not Marvel's fault that DC can't get their act together and at least make coherent films. They decided to make a film where a crazy girl with no skills and a guy who throws boomerangs are expected to battle monsters instead of perform illegal heists, which is the only reason you would go to that trouble.
You really should be demanding more from Warner Bros, not deluding yourselves that BvS is too "intelligent" or "mature" for audiences (I even remember someone saying Suicide Squad needed a "smarter audience"), look at how Paramount is actually trying to do something different with Transformers now that the main series isn't doing so well. Not that they'll necessarily be good, but it shows that studios will stop churning out the same guaranteed rubbish under the pretence that they'll get it right this time, or under the delusion that everyone loves their films.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 19:18:16 GMT
So is anybody forcing them to watch Marvel movies ?
Anyway i like both DC and Marvel to me its the same fucking thing its all Superhero movies.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 26, 2018 19:40:23 GMT
I understand why DC fans hate Marvel so much, I mean these guys are making movies with talking raccoons and walking trees, where a wrestler makes turd jokes and the main character starts a dance off, and yet they still mostly destroy DC at the box office and with critics. But it's not Marvel's fault that DC can't get their act together and at least make coherent films. They decided to make a film where a crazy girl with no skills and a guy who throws boomerangs are expected to battle monsters instead of perform illegal heists, which is the only reason you would go to that trouble. You really should be demanding more from Warner Bros, not deluding yourselves that BvS is too "intelligent" or "mature" for audiences (I even remember someone saying Suicide Squad needed a "smarter audience"), look at how Paramount is actually trying to do something different with Transformers now that the main series isn't doing so well. Not that they'll necessarily be good, but it shows that studios will stop churning out the same guaranteed rubbish under the pretence that they'll get it right this time, or under the delusion that everyone loves their films. Status quo. DC has always had the "best" movies. Even when they started getting the good movies, Marvel was still seen as behind DC with only really having Raimi's Spider-man. Not until the MCU did that status quo really switch. Notice they tried to copy what the MCU did after Avengers. Same kinda goes for X-men fans that didn't really start hating the MCU until Avengers.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 26, 2018 20:35:42 GMT
It's only fair and natural.
DC for decades was the only player who produced quality and the relevant genre films and shows. It peaked with 60s Batman, Superman (THE modern template), Batman 89 and then Nolan and then WW.
Then came Fox and Sony with very good to brilliant X-Men and Spiderman adaptions.
The bubble was still growing and people demanded fresh faces and material. Enter Marvel with fresh yet familiar C-row heroes.
If the bubble lasts who knows what else is coming from the lower ranks. ,This is how it works. I wouldn't have needed penis, turd and nipples dance offs, but hey it's not for me.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 26, 2018 20:59:24 GMT
It's only fair and natural. DC was the only player one who produced quality and relevant films and shows since decades. It peaked with 60s Batman, Superman (THE modern template), Batman 89 and then Nolan and then WW. Then came Fox and Sony with very good to brilliant X-Men and Spiderman adaptions. The bubble was still growing and people demanded fresh faces and material. Enter Marvel with fresh yet familiar C-row heroes. If the bubble lasts who knows what else is coming from the lower ranks. ,This is how it works. I wouldn't have needed penis, turd and nipples dance offs, but hey it's not for me. No offense, but you immediately confirm your bias when you put Wonder Woman "up there" with Nolan's films. Wonder Woman is as formulatic as it comes and hits all the beats you say you don't like about the Marvel films.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 26, 2018 21:19:18 GMT
It's only fair and natural. DC was the only player one who produced quality and relevant films and shows since decades. It peaked with 60s Batman, Superman (THE modern template), Batman 89 and then Nolan and then WW. Then came Fox and Sony with very good to brilliant X-Men and Spiderman adaptions. The bubble was still growing and people demanded fresh faces and material. Enter Marvel with fresh yet familiar C-row heroes. If the bubble lasts who knows what else is coming from the lower ranks. ,This is how it works. I wouldn't have needed penis, turd and nipples dance offs, but hey it's not for me. No offense, but you immediately confirm your bias when you put Wonder Woman "up there" with Nolan's films. Wonder Woman is as formulatic as it comes and hits all the beats you say you don't like about the Marvel films. no offence, but this is not even a discussion if you make your homework (Hugo? Critics' Choice etc?). I put WW there because it is a curse breaker and genre milestone, it is very different in pacing, character development etc from all the generic male beefcake in tights films. This, albeit formulaic, makes WW pretty unique and special. It is the first CBM that depicts the horrors of war (here WWI) respectfully and maturely, eg with a village exterminated instead of funny laser gun battles. It has a well written hero's journey arc combined with the loss of the male co-lead. Both leads are well characterized and developed and interact as partners instead of inferior love interest. It also has iconic music.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 27, 2018 2:44:59 GMT
No offense, but you immediately confirm your bias when you put Wonder Woman "up there" with Nolan's films. Wonder Woman is as formulatic as it comes and hits all the beats you say you don't like about the Marvel films. no offence, but this is not even a discussion if you make your homework (Hugo? Critics' Choice etc?). I put WW there because it is a curse breaker and genre milestone, it is very different in pacing, character development etc from all the generic male beefcake in tights films. This, albeit formulaic, makes WW pretty unique and special. It is the first CBM that depicts the horrors of war (here WWI) respectfully and maturely, eg with a village exterminated instead of funny laser gun battles. It has a well written hero's journey arc combined with the loss of the male co-lead. Both leads are well characterized and developed and interact as partners instead of inferior love interest. It also has iconic music. Agreed! seahawksraawk00 is just jealous that Wonder Woman is better than every MCU movie.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 27, 2018 3:26:14 GMT
No offense, but you immediately confirm your bias when you put Wonder Woman "up there" with Nolan's films. Wonder Woman is as formulatic as it comes and hits all the beats you say you don't like about the Marvel films. no offence, but this is not even a discussion if you make your homework (Hugo? Critics' Choice etc?). I put WW there because it is a curse breaker and genre milestone, it is very different in pacing, character development etc from all the generic male beefcake in tights films. This, albeit formulaic, makes WW pretty unique and special. It is the first CBM that depicts the horrors of war (here WWI) respectfully and maturely, eg with a village exterminated instead of funny laser gun battles. It has a well written hero's journey arc combined with the loss of the male co-lead. Both leads are well characterized and developed and interact as partners instead of inferior love interest. It also has iconic music. You do know multiple MCU films have been nominated and won Hugo Awards and Critic Choice as well as Saturn Awards. So that means they're all up there with Nolan, right?
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 27, 2018 3:35:41 GMT
no offence, but this is not even a discussion if you make your homework (Hugo? Critics' Choice etc?). I put WW there because it is a curse breaker and genre milestone, it is very different in pacing, character development etc from all the generic male beefcake in tights films. This, albeit formulaic, makes WW pretty unique and special. It is the first CBM that depicts the horrors of war (here WWI) respectfully and maturely, eg with a village exterminated instead of funny laser gun battles. It has a well written hero's journey arc combined with the loss of the male co-lead. Both leads are well characterized and developed and interact as partners instead of inferior love interest. It also has iconic music. Agreed! seahawksraawk00 is just jealous that Wonder Woman is better than every MCU movie. RottenTomatoes says otherwise dude, something you use to use all the time. And hey, remember when you said Infinity War wouldn't hit 2 billion in box office return?? Remember when you said Wonder Woman would be nominated for an Oscar? Those were good times.
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Post by summers8 on Aug 27, 2018 4:06:00 GMT
I understand why DC fans hate Marvel so much, I mean these guys are making movies with talking raccoons and walking trees, where a wrestler makes turd jokes and the main character starts a dance off, and yet they still mostly destroy DC at the box office and with critics. But it's not Marvel's fault that DC can't get their act together and at least make coherent films. They decided to make a film where a crazy girl with no skills and a guy who throws boomerangs are expected to battle monsters instead of perform illegal heists, which is the only reason you would go to that trouble. You really should be demanding more from Warner Bros, not deluding yourselves that BvS is too "intelligent" or "mature" for audiences (I even remember someone saying Suicide Squad needed a "smarter audience"), look at how Paramount is actually trying to do something different with Transformers now that the main series isn't doing so well. Not that they'll necessarily be good, but it shows that studios will stop churning out the same guaranteed rubbish under the pretence that they'll get it right this time, or under the delusion that everyone loves their films. Status quo. DC has always had the "best" movies. Even when they started getting the good movies, Marvel was still seen as behind DC with only really having Raimi's Spider-man. Not until the MCU did that status quo really switch. Notice they tried to copy what the MCU did after Avengers. Same kinda goes for X-men fans that didn't really start hating the MCU until Avengers. Lol.. and there you have it. you said xmen fans since you are not one. Though it is more intellectual to call yourself an xmen fan than an mcu fan. its like twilight fans calling themselves buffy fans because twilight vampires are so bad, they are to ashamed to admit they like it in public.
correction it is mcu fans who started hating xmen and dc when xmen and dc fans told them mcu movies are just way too dumb and childish for us and we like more intellectual grounded movies and are not too keen on cinematic connection because stuff like superman, batman, spiderman and x-men can and have proven to career their own film universe and lore and cannot be disneyfied.
funny thing about xmen fans , why are you trying to sell us mcu xmen to us when we told you we are not buying? if you say we hate avengers so much, then why do we want to remain separate and why are you again forcing xmen to join the mcu. yes, we did start hating avengers because avengers started destroying the credibility comic movies that xmen and dc worked so hard to lemmatize thanks to real serious movies like XMen 1 and TDK compared to the comedy cartoon that is avengers.
Please what long time comic fan of marvel and dc wont hate this shit now
LMAO. Even a DC animated movie like batman: bad blood looks better and feels more grown up
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Post by summers8 on Aug 27, 2018 4:09:47 GMT
It's only fair and natural. DC for decades was the only player who produced quality and the relevant genre films and shows. It peaked with 60s Batman, Superman (THE modern template), Batman 89 and then Nolan and then WW. Then came Fox and Sony with very good to brilliant X-Men and Spiderman adaptions. The bubble was still growing and people demanded fresh faces and material. Enter Marvel with fresh yet familiar C-row heroes. If the bubble lasts who knows what else is coming from the lower ranks. ,This is how it works. I wouldn't have needed penis, turd and nipples dance offs, but hey it's not for me. also add the fact that DC, Spiderman and X-Men had real movies, made by real film makers who called the shot.
MCU movies are just toy formula cash in sale for disney . they are not even real movies.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Aug 27, 2018 4:11:17 GMT
It's only fair and natural. DC for decades was the only player who produced quality and the relevant genre films and shows. It peaked with 60s Batman, Superman (THE modern template), Batman 89 and then Nolan and then WW. Then came Fox and Sony with very good to brilliant X-Men and Spiderman adaptions. The bubble was still growing and people demanded fresh faces and material. Enter Marvel with fresh yet familiar C-row heroes. If the bubble lasts who knows what else is coming from the lower ranks. ,This is how it works. I wouldn't have needed penis, turd and nipples dance offs, but hey it's not for me. also add the fact that DC, Spiderman and X-Men had real movies, made by real film makers who called the shot.
MCU movies are just toy formula cash in sale for disney . they are not even real movies. So they’re fake movies, huh? Yeah that makes sense.
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Post by summers8 on Aug 27, 2018 4:15:10 GMT
also add the fact that DC, Spiderman and X-Men had real movies, made by real film makers who called the shot.
MCU movies are just toy formula cash in sale for disney . they are not even real movies. So they’re fake movies, huh? Yeah that makes sense. they are fake movies. directors and screen writers don't actually make their movies. all their movies are just like processed food going through the disney house with one formula, reason their films are all the same and look the same.
movies like X2, TDK, Spiderman 2 are more like home cooked meals. real food.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Aug 27, 2018 4:16:57 GMT
So they’re fake movies, huh? Yeah that makes sense. they are fake movies. directors and screen writers don't actually make their movies. all their movies are just like processed food going through the disney house with one formula, reason their films are all the same and look the same.
movies like X2, TDK, Spiderman 2 are more like home cooked meals. real food.
Interesting.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Aug 27, 2018 4:27:08 GMT
No offense, but you immediately confirm your bias when you put Wonder Woman "up there" with Nolan's films. Wonder Woman is as formulatic as it comes and hits all the beats you say you don't like about the Marvel films. no offence, but this is not even a discussion if you make your homework (Hugo? Critics' Choice etc?). I put WW there because it is a curse breaker and genre milestone, it is very different in pacing, character development etc from all the generic male beefcake in tights films. This, albeit formulaic, makes WW pretty unique and special. It is the first CBM that depicts the horrors of war (here WWI) respectfully and maturely, eg with a village exterminated instead of funny laser gun battles. It has a well written hero's journey arc combined with the loss of the male co-lead. Both leads are well characterized and developed and interact as partners instead of inferior love interest. It also has iconic music. I agree. Easily the best of the DCEU. I don't know about it being up there with The Dark Knight, but probably equal or just below Batman Begins. I actually felt it would've been a perfectly wonderful film with just Doctor Poison and a great human war being the "villains". Ares wasn't even necessary, in my opinion. But you have to give the viewer what they want, and they want to see WW fight a big bad.
The only thing that bothers me is this scene:
As much as I enjoy it and find it charming, I guarantee if it was in an MCU movie, it would be criticized as much as dance offs and turd jokes. It was basically one long penis joke.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 27, 2018 8:39:23 GMT
no offence, but this is not even a discussion if you make your homework (Hugo? Critics' Choice etc?). I put WW there because it is a curse breaker and genre milestone, it is very different in pacing, character development etc from all the generic male beefcake in tights films. This, albeit formulaic, makes WW pretty unique and special. It is the first CBM that depicts the horrors of war (here WWI) respectfully and maturely, eg with a village exterminated instead of funny laser gun battles. It has a well written hero's journey arc combined with the loss of the male co-lead. Both leads are well characterized and developed and interact as partners instead of inferior love interest. It also has iconic music.
The only thing that bothers me is this scene:
As much as I enjoy it and find it charming, I guarantee if it was in an MCU movie, it would be criticized as much as dance offs and turd jokes. It was basically one long penis joke.
it could be. I surely did not interpret the "are you a typical example of your sex? - I'm...above average" as mere penis talk when I saw it, but as her seeing an attractive athleticly built male the first time and being curious - especially considering she was more interested in his watch than in his genitalia.
But even if you took it as penis talk, this ambiguous dialogue is subtle, mature and classy in view of dialogue like
"Did you create a penis? - Yes, I did and not a bad one at all" "Do they play hide the zucchini?" (about a sterilized woman who feels like a monster, and a hulking monster) "I put a squishy turd in your pillow - Hahaha I have famoulsy huge turds".
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 27, 2018 8:47:50 GMT
no offence, but this is not even a discussion if you make your homework (Hugo? Critics' Choice etc?). I put WW there because it is a curse breaker and genre milestone, it is very different in pacing, character development etc from all the generic male beefcake in tights films. This, albeit formulaic, makes WW pretty unique and special. It is the first CBM that depicts the horrors of war (here WWI) respectfully and maturely, eg with a village exterminated instead of funny laser gun battles. It has a well written hero's journey arc combined with the loss of the male co-lead. Both leads are well characterized and developed and interact as partners instead of inferior love interest. It also has iconic music. You do know multiple MCU films have been nominated and won Hugo Awards and Critic Choice as well as Saturn Awards. So that means they're all up there with Nolan, right? List me the MCU movies that got Hugo and Critics Coice.
And no, just winning awards does not make a film great, or Suicide Sqaud winning an Oscar would be a masterpice. I gave reasoning why WW is an outstaning film, the awards won are just an additional symptom of significance and artistic value.
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 27, 2018 10:58:34 GMT
You do know multiple MCU films have been nominated and won Hugo Awards and Critic Choice as well as Saturn Awards. So that means they're all up there with Nolan, right? List me the MCU movies that got Hugo and Critics Coice.
And no, just winning awards does not make a film great, or Suicide Sqaud winning an Oscar would be a masterpice. I gave reasoning why WW is an outstaning film, the awards won are just an additional symptom of significance and artistic value.
Hugo Awards for Long Form: The Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxay Hugo Awards for Short Form: Jessica Jones Critics Choice: Best Action Movie: Guardians of the Galaxy Best Make up: Guardians of the Galaxy
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 27, 2018 14:34:50 GMT
You do know multiple MCU films have been nominated and won Hugo Awards and Critic Choice as well as Saturn Awards. So that means they're all up there with Nolan, right? List me the MCU movies that got Hugo and Critics Coice.
And no, just winning awards does not make a film great, or Suicide Sqaud winning an Oscar would be a masterpice. I gave reasoning why WW is an outstaning film, the awards won are just an additional symptom of significance and artistic value.
Iron Man 1 and 3, The Avengers, Ultron, Civil War, Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy Black Panther have all either won or been nominated for a Hugo Award, Critic's Choice and Saturn Awards. Clearly each one is significant and has a artistic value to it, right??
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 27, 2018 18:33:56 GMT
Status quo. DC has always had the "best" movies. Even when they started getting the good movies, Marvel was still seen as behind DC with only really having Raimi's Spider-man. Not until the MCU did that status quo really switch. Notice they tried to copy what the MCU did after Avengers. Same kinda goes for X-men fans that didn't really start hating the MCU until Avengers. Lol.. and there you have it. you said xmen fans since you are not one. Though it is more intellectual to call yourself an xmen fan than an mcu fan. its like twilight fans calling themselves buffy fans because twilight vampires are so bad, they are to ashamed to admit they like it in public.
correction it is mcu fans who started hating xmen and dc when xmen and dc fans told them mcu movies are just way too dumb and childish for us and we like more intellectual grounded movies and are not too keen on cinematic connection because stuff like superman, batman, spiderman and x-men can and have proven to career their own film universe and lore and cannot be disneyfied.
funny thing about xmen fans , why are you trying to sell us mcu xmen to us when we told you we are not buying? if you say we hate avengers so much, then why do we want to remain separate and why are you again forcing xmen to join the mcu. yes, we did start hating avengers because avengers started destroying the credibility comic movies that xmen and dc worked so hard to lemmatize thanks to real serious movies like XMen 1 and TDK compared to the comedy cartoon that is avengers.
Please what long time comic fan of marvel and dc wont hate this shit now
LMAO. Even a DC animated movie like batman: bad blood looks better and feels more grown up
Oh please, we all know you're not a real X-men fan. No true X-men fan would be happy to have the characters dressed up in black leather all the time.
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