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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Aug 28, 2018 8:54:54 GMT
The only thing that bothers me is this scene:
As much as I enjoy it and find it charming, I guarantee if it was in an MCU movie, it would be criticized as much as dance offs and turd jokes. It was basically one long penis joke.
it could be. I surely did not interpret the "are you a typical example of your sex? - I'm...above average" as mere penis talk when I saw it, but as her seeing an attractive athleticly built male the first time and being curious - especially considering she was more interested in his watch than in his genitalia.
But even if you took it as penis talk, this ambiguous dialogue is subtle, mature and classy in view of dialogue like
"Did you create a penis? - Yes, I did and not a bad one at all" "Do they play hide the zucchini?" (about a sterilized woman who feels like a monster, and a hulking monster) "I put a squishy turd in your pillow - Hahaha I have famoulsy huge turds".
Yes I do not believe that SHE was curious about his penis. He was the one that was confusing it as discussion of his genitalia. He's naked and she asks "What's that?" and he looks down flustered about to explain his penis but then realizes she meant his watch. So it was clearly a penis joke.
But I wasn't defending any of that dialogue by the way. I actually thought AoU and GotGv2 were HUGE disappointments compared to their predecessors. Entertaining? I guess. But disappointing. I found the three you mentioned cringe-worthy, specifically the GotGv2 dialogue. I just feel that if that Wonder Woman joke were in say a GotG movie, it would've been trashed the same way your examples are. Just as I believe if the "Do you bleed? You will." was in a MCU film the biased fans would've loved it.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 28, 2018 16:35:11 GMT
Status quo. DC has always had the "best" movies. Even when they started getting the good movies, Marvel was still seen as behind DC with only really having Raimi's Spider-man. Not until the MCU did that status quo really switch. Notice they tried to copy what the MCU did after Avengers. Same kinda goes for X-men fans that didn't really start hating the MCU until Avengers. Lol.. and there you have it. you said xmen fans since you are not one. Though it is more intellectual to call yourself an xmen fan than an mcu fan. its like twilight fans calling themselves buffy fans because twilight vampires are so bad, they are to ashamed to admit they like it in public.
correction it is mcu fans who started hating xmen and dc when xmen and dc fans told them mcu movies are just way too dumb and childish for us and we like more intellectual grounded movies and are not too keen on cinematic connection because stuff like superman, batman, spiderman and x-men can and have proven to career their own film universe and lore and cannot be disneyfied.
funny thing about xmen fans , why are you trying to sell us mcu xmen to us when we told you we are not buying? if you say we hate avengers so much, then why do we want to remain separate and why are you again forcing xmen to join the mcu. yes, we did start hating avengers because avengers started destroying the credibility comic movies that xmen and dc worked so hard to lemmatize thanks to real serious movies like XMen 1 and TDK compared to the comedy cartoon that is avengers.
Please what long time comic fan of marvel and dc wont hate this shit now
LMAO. Even a DC animated movie like batman: bad blood looks better and feels more grown up
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 29, 2018 17:52:53 GMT
I understand why DC fans hate Marvel so much, I mean these guys are making movies with talking raccoons and walking trees, where a wrestler makes turd jokes and the main character starts a dance off, and yet they still mostly destroy DC at the box office and with critics. But it's not Marvel's fault that DC can't get their act together and at least make coherent films. They decided to make a film where a crazy girl with no skills and a guy who throws boomerangs are expected to battle monsters instead of perform illegal heists, which is the only reason you would go to that trouble. You really should be demanding more from Warner Bros, not deluding yourselves that BvS is too "intelligent" or "mature" for audiences (I even remember someone saying Suicide Squad needed a "smarter audience"), look at how Paramount is actually trying to do something different with Transformers now that the main series isn't doing so well. Not that they'll necessarily be good, but it shows that studios will stop churning out the same guaranteed rubbish under the pretence that they'll get it right this time, or under the delusion that everyone loves their films. Those are not the reasons why anyone, especially DC fans, hate the Marvel movies...
A) We DONT hate the Marvel movies. I can assure you that even DCFAN goes to the theatre to watch every single MCU movie just the same as I do, and I can assure you that he enjoys them too, just the same as I do.
B) What we hate it this: "But it's not Marvel's fault that DC can't get their act together and at least make coherent films. They decided to make a film where a crazy girl with no skills and a guy who throws boomerangs are expected to battle monsters instead of perform illegal heists, which is the only reason you would go to that trouble. You really should be demanding more from Warner Bros, not deluding yourselves that BvS is too "intelligent" or "mature" for audiences (I even remember someone saying Suicide Squad needed a "smarter audience")."
When you come at us with BS like that OF COURSE we're going to get defensive. ANYONE would get defensive about the thing they like when its talked about that way. But do you really WANT me to post how many pro-MCU posts and threads are just like that? Do you really WANT me to post how many pro-MCU posts and threads are practically sucking their own dicks about the greatness of the MCU. It's a little nauseating.
I'm a huge fan of MCU. I've seen all of them in the theatre and have actually enjoyed them all. Even the weaker ones like Dark World. But I'm also a DCEU fan and don't think they deserve as much vitriol as have been lobbed at them by MCU fanatics.
So as long as there are assholes who want to one-sidedly praise MCU and shit on DCEU there will be guys like me and DCFAN who will stand up to it.
And by the way, don't patronize to us with "I understand the Marvel hate" when its clear you really don't.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Aug 29, 2018 20:06:17 GMT
I understand why DC fans hate Marvel so much, I mean these guys are making movies with talking raccoons and walking trees, where a wrestler makes turd jokes and the main character starts a dance off, and yet they still mostly destroy DC at the box office and with critics. But it's not Marvel's fault that DC can't get their act together and at least make coherent films. They decided to make a film where a crazy girl with no skills and a guy who throws boomerangs are expected to battle monsters instead of perform illegal heists, which is the only reason you would go to that trouble. You really should be demanding more from Warner Bros, not deluding yourselves that BvS is too "intelligent" or "mature" for audiences (I even remember someone saying Suicide Squad needed a "smarter audience"), look at how Paramount is actually trying to do something different with Transformers now that the main series isn't doing so well. Not that they'll necessarily be good, but it shows that studios will stop churning out the same guaranteed rubbish under the pretence that they'll get it right this time, or under the delusion that everyone loves their films. Those are not the reasons why anyone, especially DC fans, hate the Marvel movies...
A) We DONT hate the Marvel movies. I can assure you that even DCFAN goes to the theatre to watch every single MCU movie just the same as I do, and I can assure you that he enjoys them too, just the same as I do.
B) What we hate it this: "But it's not Marvel's fault that DC can't get their act together and at least make coherent films. They decided to make a film where a crazy girl with no skills and a guy who throws boomerangs are expected to battle monsters instead of perform illegal heists, which is the only reason you would go to that trouble. You really should be demanding more from Warner Bros, not deluding yourselves that BvS is too "intelligent" or "mature" for audiences (I even remember someone saying Suicide Squad needed a "smarter audience")."
When you come at us with BS like that OF COURSE we're going to get defensive. ANYONE would get defensive about the thing they like when its talked about that way. But do you really WANT me to post how many pro-MCU posts and threads are just like that? Do you really WANT me to post how many pro-MCU posts and threads are practically sucking their own dicks about the greatness of the MCU. It's a little nauseating.
I'm a huge fan of MCU. I've seen all of them in the theatre and have actually enjoyed them all. Even the weaker ones like Dark World. But I'm also a DCEU fan and don't think they deserve as much vitriol as have been lobbed at them by MCU fanatics.
So as long as there are assholes who want to one-sidedly praise MCU and shit on DCEU there will be guys like me and DCFAN who will stand up to it.
And by the way, don't patronize to us with "I understand the Marvel hate" when its clear you really don't.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 29, 2018 20:33:31 GMT
Those are not the reasons why anyone, especially DC fans, hate the Marvel movies...
A) We DONT hate the Marvel movies. I can assure you that even DCFAN goes to the theatre to watch every single MCU movie just the same as I do, and I can assure you that he enjoys them too, just the same as I do.
B) What we hate it this: "But it's not Marvel's fault that DC can't get their act together and at least make coherent films. They decided to make a film where a crazy girl with no skills and a guy who throws boomerangs are expected to battle monsters instead of perform illegal heists, which is the only reason you would go to that trouble. You really should be demanding more from Warner Bros, not deluding yourselves that BvS is too "intelligent" or "mature" for audiences (I even remember someone saying Suicide Squad needed a "smarter audience")."
When you come at us with BS like that OF COURSE we're going to get defensive. ANYONE would get defensive about the thing they like when its talked about that way. But do you really WANT me to post how many pro-MCU posts and threads are just like that? Do you really WANT me to post how many pro-MCU posts and threads are practically sucking their own dicks about the greatness of the MCU. It's a little nauseating.
I'm a huge fan of MCU. I've seen all of them in the theatre and have actually enjoyed them all. Even the weaker ones like Dark World. But I'm also a DCEU fan and don't think they deserve as much vitriol as have been lobbed at them by MCU fanatics.
So as long as there are assholes who want to one-sidedly praise MCU and shit on DCEU there will be guys like me and DCFAN who will stand up to it.
And by the way, don't patronize to us with "I understand the Marvel hate" when its clear you really don't.
You shouldn't say "we", you're clearly not speaking for anyone but yourself. Nonsense. You're clearly talking to US "DC fans (who) hate Marvel so much". " "...You really should be demanding more from Warner Bros, not deluding yourselves."
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Aug 29, 2018 22:09:08 GMT
You shouldn't say "we", you're clearly not speaking for anyone but yourself. Nonsense. You're clearly talking to US "DC fans (who) hate Marvel so much". " "...You really should be demanding more from Warner Bros, not deluding yourselves."
My post addresses the posters it describes, who hate Marvel, you're post attempts to speak for everyone. |
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 29, 2018 22:48:00 GMT
I understand why DC fans hate Marvel so much, I mean these guys are making movies with talking raccoons and walking trees, where a wrestler makes turd jokes and the main character starts a dance off, and yet they still mostly destroy DC at the box office and with critics. But it's not Marvel's fault that DC can't get their act together and at least make coherent films. They decided to make a film where a crazy girl with no skills and a guy who throws boomerangs are expected to battle monsters instead of perform illegal heists, which is the only reason you would go to that trouble. You really should be demanding more from Warner Bros, not deluding yourselves that BvS is too "intelligent" or "mature" for audiences (I even remember someone saying Suicide Squad needed a "smarter audience"), look at how Paramount is actually trying to do something different with Transformers now that the main series isn't doing so well. Not that they'll necessarily be good, but it shows that studios will stop churning out the same guaranteed rubbish under the pretence that they'll get it right this time, or under the delusion that everyone loves their films.
So as long as there are assholes who want to one-sidedly praise MCU and shit on DCEU there will be guys like me and DCFAN who will stand up to it.
Did you just seriously compare yourself with DC-Fan? I mean, c'mon man, I understand and can respect how you want to stand up for the DCEU but DC-Fan is a straight up troll and everyone knows it. For him, it's not about standing up for the DCEU so much so as it's about bashing the MCU. I'd like to think that you're not like him at all. |
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Post by northernlad on Aug 30, 2018 4:39:02 GMT
God you're all so tiresome arguing about this shit over and over and over.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 30, 2018 18:19:48 GMT
Nonsense. You're clearly talking to US "DC fans (who) hate Marvel so much". " "...You really should be demanding more from Warner Bros, not deluding yourselves."
My post addresses the posters it describes, who hate Marvel, you're post attempts to speak for everyone. If you say so |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 30, 2018 18:30:26 GMT
So as long as there are assholes who want to one-sidedly praise MCU and shit on DCEU there will be guys like me and DCFAN who will stand up to it.
Did you just seriously compare yourself with DC-Fan? I mean, c'mon man, I understand and can respect how you want to stand up for the DCEU but DC-Fan is a straight up troll and everyone knows it. For him, it's not about standing up for the DCEU so much so as it's about bashing the MCU. I'd like to think that you're not like him at all. Thank you for that. I hope that when I post I'm at least TRYING to be un-biased. After all I am a fan of BOTH MCU and DCEU.
But the reason why I even put up with DCFAN is that at the very least he offers a counter point to what seems to be a constant barrage of "MCU self dick sucking". Sure, he can be officially labeled a troll, and sure the DCEU movies overall are not as successful as MCU, but if I gotta read one more self aggrandizing "the MCU is god and the DCEU is a pile of shit" thread I'm gonna flip out myself.
Then you'll have TWO DC-FANS AND BELIEVE YOU ME NOBODY WANTS ANY OF THAT KIND OF CRAZY! NO BODY! THAT SHIT WOULD BE TOO MUCH CRAZY FOR ANY ONE FORUM!
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Post by Larcen26 on Aug 30, 2018 19:52:44 GMT
I understand why DC fans hate Marvel so much, I mean these guys are making movies with talking raccoons and walking trees, where a wrestler makes turd jokes and the main character starts a dance off, and yet they still mostly destroy DC at the box office and with critics. But it's not Marvel's fault that DC can't get their act together and at least make coherent films. They decided to make a film where a crazy girl with no skills and a guy who throws boomerangs are expected to battle monsters instead of perform illegal heists, which is the only reason you would go to that trouble. You really should be demanding more from Warner Bros, not deluding yourselves that BvS is too "intelligent" or "mature" for audiences (I even remember someone saying Suicide Squad needed a "smarter audience"), look at how Paramount is actually trying to do something different with Transformers now that the main series isn't doing so well. Not that they'll necessarily be good, but it shows that studios will stop churning out the same guaranteed rubbish under the pretence that they'll get it right this time, or under the delusion that everyone loves their films. Those are not the reasons why anyone, especially DC fans, hate the Marvel movies...
A) We DONT hate the Marvel movies. I can assure you that even DCFAN goes to the theatre to watch every single MCU movie just the same as I do, and I can assure you that he enjoys them too, just the same as I do.
B) What we hate it this: "But it's not Marvel's fault that DC can't get their act together and at least make coherent films. They decided to make a film where a crazy girl with no skills and a guy who throws boomerangs are expected to battle monsters instead of perform illegal heists, which is the only reason you would go to that trouble. You really should be demanding more from Warner Bros, not deluding yourselves that BvS is too "intelligent" or "mature" for audiences (I even remember someone saying Suicide Squad needed a "smarter audience")."
When you come at us with BS like that OF COURSE we're going to get defensive. ANYONE would get defensive about the thing they like when its talked about that way. But do you really WANT me to post how many pro-MCU posts and threads are just like that? Do you really WANT me to post how many pro-MCU posts and threads are practically sucking their own dicks about the greatness of the MCU. It's a little nauseating.
I'm a huge fan of MCU. I've seen all of them in the theatre and have actually enjoyed them all. Even the weaker ones like Dark World. But I'm also a DCEU fan and don't think they deserve as much vitriol as have been lobbed at them by MCU fanatics.
So as long as there are assholes who want to one-sidedly praise MCU and shit on DCEU there will be guys like me and DCFAN who will stand up to it.
And by the way, don't patronize to us with "I understand the Marvel hate" when its clear you really don't.
We agree on so many things lenlen... This is no exception... Well put. I don't hate Marvel...why would I? They're amazing films. It's: 1. The attitude that somehow I'm supposed to hate them just because they are more successful than DC. and 2. The concept that the DCEU films are irredeemable pieces of garbage and there's no debating it. They aren't great. BvS is awful. But the seeds of something amazing are there and need to be cultivated. |
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Post by Larcen26 on Aug 30, 2018 19:54:07 GMT
Nonsense. You're clearly talking to US "DC fans (who) hate Marvel so much". " "...You really should be demanding more from Warner Bros, not deluding yourselves."
My post addresses the posters it describes, who hate Marvel, you're post attempts to speak for everyone. It speaks for me. |
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Aug 30, 2018 20:08:49 GMT
My post addresses the posters it describes, who hate Marvel, you're post attempts to speak for everyone. It speaks for me. Record breaking. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 30, 2018 20:19:00 GMT
Those are not the reasons why anyone, especially DC fans, hate the Marvel movies...
A) We DONT hate the Marvel movies. I can assure you that even DCFAN goes to the theatre to watch every single MCU movie just the same as I do, and I can assure you that he enjoys them too, just the same as I do.
B) What we hate it this: "But it's not Marvel's fault that DC can't get their act together and at least make coherent films. They decided to make a film where a crazy girl with no skills and a guy who throws boomerangs are expected to battle monsters instead of perform illegal heists, which is the only reason you would go to that trouble. You really should be demanding more from Warner Bros, not deluding yourselves that BvS is too "intelligent" or "mature" for audiences (I even remember someone saying Suicide Squad needed a "smarter audience")."
When you come at us with BS like that OF COURSE we're going to get defensive. ANYONE would get defensive about the thing they like when its talked about that way. But do you really WANT me to post how many pro-MCU posts and threads are just like that? Do you really WANT me to post how many pro-MCU posts and threads are practically sucking their own dicks about the greatness of the MCU. It's a little nauseating.
I'm a huge fan of MCU. I've seen all of them in the theatre and have actually enjoyed them all. Even the weaker ones like Dark World. But I'm also a DCEU fan and don't think they deserve as much vitriol as have been lobbed at them by MCU fanatics.
So as long as there are assholes who want to one-sidedly praise MCU and shit on DCEU there will be guys like me and DCFAN who will stand up to it.
And by the way, don't patronize to us with "I understand the Marvel hate" when its clear you really don't.
We agree on so many things lenlen... This is no exception... Well put. I don't hate Marvel...why would I? They're amazing films. It's: 1. The attitude that somehow I'm supposed to hate them just because they are more successful than DC. and 2. The concept that the DCEU films are irredeemable pieces of garbage and there's no debating it. They aren't great. BvS is awful. But the seeds of something amazing are there and need to be cultivated. Maybe its just that the more UN-reasonable minds are the ones with the biggest mouths? Or in this case most vitriolic posts? |
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