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Post by Skaathar on Sept 2, 2018 16:18:49 GMT
If DCEU knew they were going to produce multiple WW movies, it seems to me they made a mistake making Ares the main villain in the first movie and immediately getting defeated. Seems like they should have started with a lesser villain, because after defeating a fully powered god of war himself and fully realizing her power, it seems like a step down to face someone like Cheetah.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 2, 2018 16:43:31 GMT
no, this film was about the horrors of war and their cause. Ares is the god of war. Obviously, the needed him as mystery villain for that to make the lead up to the final twist plausible (ie he is not the actual force behind WWI).
If Ares is really destroyed, there are many more gods in the pantheon, or villains in the rogue gallery.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 2, 2018 16:53:30 GMT
Perhaps they should have held off but hindsight is 20/20. They could use other supernatural foes for her to fight like Circe or the First-Born. Besides, they can always retcon it by saying Ares didn't in fact kill off all the gods with some throwaway line.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 2, 2018 16:59:50 GMT
Well he could theoretically come back. I think in the New52 version, I remember reading that there was a switcheroo where all the appearance of Ares was actually one of his sons Deimo or Phobos the entire time and Ares was hiding in the shadows.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 2, 2018 17:18:38 GMT
Nah. They just shouldn't have the 3rd act into CGI porn.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 2, 2018 19:53:24 GMT
No. The first movie was all about war, so Ares made perfect sense as the villain.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 2, 2018 20:05:53 GMT
Well he could theoretically come back. I think in the New52 version, I remember reading that there was a switcheroo where all the appearance of Ares was actually one of his sons Deimo or Phobos the entire time and Ares was hiding in the shadows. I actually don't mind this. Seems late though. Perhaps Hades can arise from the ashes in the future.
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Post by DarkManX on Sept 3, 2018 1:39:49 GMT
Yeah he should have been saved for a future movie. He's one of her biggest villains and they've already used him. It's kind of like Marvel using Dormammu in the first Dr. Strange movie instead of building him up and saving him for a later film.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 3, 2018 3:24:47 GMT
For better or worse, this opens the door to DCEU thinking outside the box and using other fantasy themed villains.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 3, 2018 22:50:57 GMT
For better or worse, this opens the door to DCEU thinking outside the box and using other fantasy themed villains. They're kinda hamstrung though when it was mentioned in Wonder Woman that Ares supposedly killed all the Greek Gods, and unfortunately most of her rogue gallery, including the fantasy villains are Gree Gods. They'll be retconning a lot.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 4, 2018 13:17:37 GMT
Who are the WW villains? I’ve really never heard of any.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 5, 2018 14:33:09 GMT
Who are the WW villains? I’ve really never heard of any. Her most notable foes include the aforementioned Ares and Doctor Poison (the lady in the mask in the movie), Hades, Cheetah, Circe, and Giganta. Generally modernizations of Greek characters and superhuman women.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 5, 2018 14:45:37 GMT
Thanks, politicidal . I remember Hades from the Justice League TV show, and I think I vaguely remember Cheetah and Giganta maybe from the same program, but I don’t know any of the others (well, Circe from mythology, but not the comic book character). I do remember one villainess from the show—kind of an anti-Wonder Woman, another Amazon but one who hates the world outside Themiscyra. I thought she was a good character. Anyway, would I be right in saying that Wonder Woman doesn’t exactly have the great rogues’ gallery of a Batman or a Spider Man?
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Post by politicidal on Sept 5, 2018 14:57:18 GMT
Thanks, politicidal . I remember Hades from the Justice League TV show, and I think I vaguely remember Cheetah and Giganta maybe from the same program, but I don’t know any of the others (well, Circe from mythology, but not the comic book character). I do remember one villainess from the show—kind of an anti-Wonder Woman, another Amazon but one who hates the world outside Themiscyra. I thought she was a good character. Anyway, would I be right in saying that Wonder Woman doesn’t exactly have the great rogues’ gallery of a Batman or a Spider Man? You're not wrong. For that reason, unless they retcon the 1st movie's backstory, they ought to use other DC villains who are just a general threat to the Justice League like Maxwell Lord (incidentally he was the main villain in George Miller's canceled movie); Vandal Savage (so much potential for a recurring foe in the DCEU if done proper); Maxima (a Superman villain actually but could be reworked for a WW story); or even Black Adam himself (Giselle & Hobbs reunited!).
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 5, 2018 15:13:12 GMT
I remember Vandal Savage from the TV show—that would be a good character. There’s one episode where he goes back in time and takes Hitler’s place, if I’m remember correctly, which seemed an absolutely ridiculous yet somehow oddly interesting plot. I’ve never really heard of the others…
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 5, 2018 15:17:26 GMT
Found the Amazon villainess I mentioned: Aresia. Apparently made up for the TV show.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Sept 5, 2018 18:36:13 GMT
Nah. They just shouldn't have the 3rd act into CGI porn. They have done that in every DCEU movie so far. It's almost like they have a formula or something.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 5, 2018 18:51:26 GMT
Found the Amazon villainess I mentioned: Aresia. Apparently made up for the TV show. They more I think of this idea, the more I like it. Aresia is apparently based on a character called “Fury” (who, I’ll take it, is not the same as the Marvel Samuel L. Jackson Fury ) who was the daughter of Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor; keeping the parentage would make flashbacks to Trevor actually mean something more than Diana missing him. Moreover, the name “Aresia” is obviously based on Ares, who could have given her his powers, thus tying it in with the first movie. She’d have a compelling story to pit against Diana’s and a theme based on classical mythology. Yeah, I like this idea…
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Post by leesilm on Sept 10, 2018 17:42:36 GMT
There is a fan-theory that he wasn't totally destroyed and he is part of Steve's comeback, leading to an ultimate fight in WW3 between an Ares who is at his full-strength and a battle-hardened Diana, with Steve as somewhat of a monkey in the middle that Ares is using against Diana.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 11, 2018 1:26:40 GMT
There is a fan-theory that he wasn't totally destroyed and he is part of Steve's comeback, leading to an ultimate fight in WW3 between an Ares who is at his full-strength and a battle-hardened Diana, with Steve as somewhat of a monkey in the middle that Ares is using against Diana. Where’d you hear that theory from?
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