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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 5, 2018 10:58:49 GMT
People bitch about Superman, The Avengers and Batman killing. But no one had a problem with carelessly nuking a heavily populated city? If that was the last resort to defeating the Chitauri (and it certainly was, given that the Avengers just stood by for half an hour doing nothing but cracking jokes and 1-liners while the Chitauri were invading and killing people) and saving the planet, then most people wouldn't have a problem with it. It's like if the passengers on Flight 93 couldn't bring down the hijacked plane and the US Air Force had shot down the hijacked plane, most people wouldn't have a problem with the US Air Force shooting down a commercial passenger jet with civilians on board to prevent the hijacked plane from being used as a weapon by terrorists. They didn't "stand around and crack jokes". They helped pinned down civilians and tried to keep the chitauri at Bay. We're they out numbered? Yes absolutely. The government shouldn't have straight up went with nuking right away. Both parties should have worked together. It was stupid and careless to do that to a heavily populated city. But then again this is the same country that likes to go around and shove it's dick where it doesn't belong and still act like it's the good guy. |
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Post by damngumby on Sept 5, 2018 12:14:43 GMT
It was stupid and careless to do that to a heavily populated city. But then again this is the same country that likes to go around and shove it's dick where it doesn't belong and still act like it's the good guy. Actually, it was the World Security Council that ordered the nuke. Basically, the equivalent of the United Nations, not the USA. Your left wing America-hating virtue signaling is misplaced. Besides the Avengers were about the defeat the Chitauri without the intervention of the nuke. once they closed the portal, the 1st wave would have been cut off from the mothership. Tony Stark saved Manhattan from the UN decision to sacrifice an American city to protect their own asses. Blowing up the mothership was just a bonus. |
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Post by damngumby on Sept 5, 2018 12:39:42 GMT
They can't? Then why did Nick Fury even form the Avengers when they're so incompetent? Man your illegal copy must've had horrible audio. He didn't just form them because of threats from space, but because the world was filling up with people who couldn't be matched. Think about what would've happened if he didn't. The World Sec. Council launches the nuke. The Cube is surrounded by a shield made of pure energy that JARVIS says can't be breached. Did your illegal copy allow you to hear that? Considering the force of the Nuclear bomb is just matter turned to energy means the cube and portal machine would've been protected. Meaning the portal would stay open. There is no evidence that the mother ship would've been damaged in its other Universe. Meaning they would continue to come through. How bad was your illegal copy? Maybe DC-Fraud should stop commenting on MCU movies until he has watched them properly. It might save him from being continuously embarrassed of this forum. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 5, 2018 20:11:05 GMT
So when the Avengers saw the portal and the Chitauri coming through the portal, why didn't the Avengers just go through the portal and battle the Chitauri on the other side of the portal, where there wouldn't be any human casualties? Lack of an ability to do so, obviously characters like Hulk, Captain America, Hawkeye and Black Widow can not fly nor at least can the latter three breathe in space. Iron Man was shown to lose power almost straight after going through the portal so he couldn't have done anything. Which only leaves Thor, who can travel through space in a straight line using the bifrost but that's all they've shown So basically, the Avengers aren't mighty and are pretty much useless and ineffective, unless they have help from the US military's weapons. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 5, 2018 20:13:48 GMT
If that was the last resort to defeating the Chitauri (and it certainly was, given that the Avengers just stood by for half an hour doing nothing but cracking jokes and 1-liners while the Chitauri were invading and killing people) and saving the planet, then most people wouldn't have a problem with it. It's like if the passengers on Flight 93 couldn't bring down the hijacked plane and the US Air Force had shot down the hijacked plane, most people wouldn't have a problem with the US Air Force shooting down a commercial passenger jet with civilians on board to prevent the hijacked plane from being used as a weapon by terrorists. They didn't "stand around and crack jokes". They helped pinned down civilians and tried to keep the chitauri at Bay. We're they out numbered? Yes absolutely. The government shouldn't have straight up went with nuking right away. Both parties should have worked together. It was stupid and careless to do that to a heavily populated city. But then again this is the same country that likes to go around and shove it's dick where it doesn't belong and still act like it's the good guy. Why the name change? |
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Post by Vassaggo on Sept 5, 2018 20:39:23 GMT
Lack of an ability to do so, obviously characters like Hulk, Captain America, Hawkeye and Black Widow can not fly nor at least can the latter three breathe in space. Iron Man was shown to lose power almost straight after going through the portal so he couldn't have done anything. Which only leaves Thor, who can travel through space in a straight line using the bifrost but that's all they've shown So basically, the Avengers aren't mighty and are pretty much useless and ineffective, unless they have help from the US military's weapons. You do know that Black Widow was about to close the portal when the World Council fired the Nuke right? I'm not 100% you caught that on your Illegal Copy. So without their connection to the mothership how long do you think it would take for them to beat the remaining Chitari and Leviathans that were in our Universe? |
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Post by scabab on Sept 5, 2018 21:25:50 GMT
So basically, the Avengers aren't mighty and are pretty much useless and ineffective, unless they have help from the US military's weapons. They're mighty, they just don't individually have the power of a Nuclear Missile which the majority of superheroes don't anyway. They're still effective though because they stopped Ultron with their own powers. |
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Post by damngumby on Sept 6, 2018 0:01:39 GMT
So basically, the Avengers aren't mighty and are pretty much useless and ineffective, unless they have help from the US military's weapons. You do know that Black Widow was about to close the portal when the World Council fired the Nuke right? I'm not 100% you caught that on your Illegal Copy. So without their connection to the mothership how long do you think it would take for them to beat the remaining Chitari and Leviathans that were in our Universe? Once the portal was closed, all the Chitari over Manhattan would have collapsed, since they were cut off from the mother ship. The Avengers, as a coordinated team, saved the world from a technologically superior alien invasion force. Tony Stark saved Manhattan from the World Council nuke. Like I said before, blowing up the mothership was just a bonus. It had no bearing on the outcome of the battle. Compare that to the Justice League, who are completely ineffective without the conveniently invincible* Superman. What the hell does he need the others for? The Avengers have already saved the world twice and by the end of Avengers 4, they will have also saved the entire universe. Pretty darn good. Justice League (well, just Superman) managed only to make a 2nd string super villain afraid, and it was his minions that actually vanquished him. And it’s unlikely that they’re going to get a 2nd chance to save the world, any time soon. * Except when the plot requires that he not be. Then he suddenly isn’t. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 6, 2018 9:51:10 GMT
They didn't "stand around and crack jokes". They helped pinned down civilians and tried to keep the chitauri at Bay. We're they out numbered? Yes absolutely. The government shouldn't have straight up went with nuking right away. Both parties should have worked together. It was stupid and careless to do that to a heavily populated city. But then again this is the same country that likes to go around and shove it's dick where it doesn't belong and still act like it's the good guy. Why the name change? Was having some fun |
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Sept 6, 2018 20:57:29 GMT
Batman continues to be a vigilante without surrendering himself to the police. Batman operates with the permission of the GCPD. When the GCPD flashes the Bat-signal in the sky, that means they're asking for batman's help. It's similar to how in the Old West, when a Sheriff needed to bring in a gang of outlaws, the Sheriff often asks for volunteers to form a posse and the Sheriff would deputize the men who volunteered. So when those men went after the outlaws, the were doing so with the permission of the Sheriff.
You're completely wrong, Batman is breaking the law by being a vigilante and and Gordon is breaking the law by working with him. You can't deputize people in a police force, notice they're not called deputies. |
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Post by NormanClature on Nov 14, 2018 23:01:07 GMT
So a kill count article has come out listing the total body counts in the MCU. Is anyone alarmed by the amount of killing happens in these films, whether it be by the Avengers or from the enemies? The Avengers are supposed to protect people and bring peace but the kill count almost rises in every successive film indicating they are getting worse at their jobs. Some killings you can argue are self defence but to be judge jury and executioner so swiftly, should MCU be more considerate in this apparent licence to kill? hmm maybe general Ross was right that they do need to be kept in check because seemingly everywhere they go there is death and destruction. www.digitalspy.com/movies/feature/g25450/marvel-movie-death-count-mcu-films-ranked-infinity-war/?Fucking hypocrite!  |
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 15, 2018 1:41:05 GMT
I think it's pretty unrealistic (not to mention completely dumb) to expect a bunch of superheroes who use violence as a means to end violence to not cause any casualties along the way. Especially not when dealing with super powers as strong as the ones displayed in these movies.
What they should instead look into is whether these heroes seem to care about these casualties or whether they try to minimize them. In this regard, the MCU usually pass with flying colors. This is something the DCEU struggles with constantly.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 15, 2018 4:16:49 GMT
I think it's pretty unrealistic (not to mention completely dumb) to expect a bunch of superheroes who use violence as a means to end violence to not cause any casualties along the way. Especially not when dealing with super powers as strong as the ones displayed in these movies. What they should instead look into is whether these heroes seem to care about these casualties or whether they try to minimize them. In this regard, the MCU usually pass with flying colors. MCU fails miserably. Just look at Civil War. Cap and his team recklessly chase Crossbones through a crowded market in the middle of the day. That's not minimizing casualties, that's maximizing collateral damage and casualties. |
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 15, 2018 5:19:05 GMT
I think it's pretty unrealistic (not to mention completely dumb) to expect a bunch of superheroes who use violence as a means to end violence to not cause any casualties along the way. Especially not when dealing with super powers as strong as the ones displayed in these movies. What they should instead look into is whether these heroes seem to care about these casualties or whether they try to minimize them. In this regard, the MCU usually pass with flying colors. MCU fails miserably. Just look at Civil War. Cap and his team recklessly chase Crossbones through a crowded market in the middle of the day. That's not minimizing casualties, that's maximizing collateral damage and casualties. Trying to stop a bomb from going off but failing? That shows they actually cared. In comparison, Superman was smashing Zod through buildings without caring about property damage or risking human lives. |
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Post by charzhino on Nov 15, 2018 11:31:19 GMT
Nornan clature going through my post history to dig up some dirt. Try again, my threads have actual rigour behind them and are not out right provocations. As seen by this thread u bumped which contains an article not published by me.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 15, 2018 12:59:52 GMT
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 15, 2018 16:41:44 GMT
MCU fails miserably. Just look at Civil War. Cap and his team recklessly chase Crossbones through a crowded market in the middle of the day. That's not minimizing casualties, that's maximizing collateral damage and casualties. Trying to stop a bomb from going off but failing? That shows they actually cared. The bomb wouldn't have gone off if they hadn't chased Crossbones through a crowded market in the middle of the day when there were many civilians around. The only reason Crossbones set off the bomb was because he was corned by Cap's team. That shows how reckless Cap's team was to chase Crossbones through a crowded market in the middle of the day when there were many civilians around. |
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Post by bud47 on Nov 15, 2018 18:42:21 GMT
Trying to stop a bomb from going off but failing? That shows they actually cared. The bomb wouldn't have gone off if they hadn't chased Crossbones through a crowded market in the middle of the day when there were many civilians around. The only reason Crossbones set off the bomb was because he was corned by Cap's team. That shows how reckless Cap's team was to chase Crossbones through a crowded market in the middle of the day when there were many civilians around. How you are able to nitpick things like this with a fine tooth comb, but are so easily able to dismiss the reckless behavior of Superman in Man of Steel is beyond me. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 15, 2018 19:35:41 GMT
Because death would cease to exist without the Avengers? No, there'd just be a lot less of it!
LOL!
OH NO HE DIDNT!
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 15, 2018 19:36:49 GMT
Trying to stop a bomb from going off but failing? That shows they actually cared. The bomb wouldn't have gone off if they hadn't chased Crossbones through a crowded market in the middle of the day when there were many civilians around. The only reason Crossbones set off the bomb was because he was corned by Cap's team. That shows how reckless Cap's team was to chase Crossbones through a crowded market in the middle of the day when there were many civilians around. And they wouldn't have needed to chase Crossbones around if he didn't steal chemical weaponry. Or are you saying they should have let Crossbones just steal whatever he wanted? |
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