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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 0:01:15 GMT
I got 100 pages into the Fellowship of the Ring before giving up a few years ago. It's not to say it's BAD, but I don't think I'm much of a fan of Tolkien's writing. The Hobbit was padded out beyond necessity.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Sept 4, 2018 2:27:47 GMT
Good luck. 100 pages is probably how far I got. When the movies were announced I went out and bought all three books but I couldn't finish not even the first one.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 4, 2018 2:47:17 GMT
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Post by poelzig on Sept 4, 2018 3:40:11 GMT
I got 100 pages into the Fellowship of the Ring before giving up a few years ago. It's not to say it's BAD, but I don't think I'm much of a fan of Tolkien's writing. The Hobbit was padded out beyond necessity. You were unable to finish a children's book? That's the most unsurprising thing I've read in a while.
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Post by ghostintheshell on Sept 4, 2018 5:57:19 GMT
Good luck. 100 pages is probably how far I got. When the movies were announced I went out and bought all three books but I couldn't finish not even the first one. Im not surprised, I started The Hobbit last year, guess where I'm at now. Not even halfway through! I suppose Tolkien's writing style is aimed at the younger audience ...particularly children who are easily amused by fire-breathing Dragons and silly dwarves going on adventures.
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Post by Morgana on Sept 4, 2018 11:14:26 GMT
I got 100 pages into the Fellowship of the Ring before giving up a few years ago. It's not to say it's BAD, but I don't think I'm much of a fan of Tolkien's writing. The Hobbit was padded out beyond necessity. The Hobbit is the only one of the Middle Earth books that I completely finished. I've read bits and pieces of the other three, sometimes fast forwarding. I even tried reading The Silmarillion once and got about a chapter in before giving up. I do love the story though, so every so often, I go back to one or other of the books and try reading them.
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Post by mikef6 on Sept 5, 2018 4:42:38 GMT
Don't read The Hobbit first. Tolkien wrote an introduction that is printed before The Fellowship of the Ring. Read that. I wasn't much for fantasy either but gave it a try when a friend pressed "Fellowship" into my hands and said try this. It was easy enough reading and pleasant enough until the attack on Weathertop and the race to Rivendell (in one of my paperback editions that starts about page 250). That ends Book I. Book 2 is the great Council of Elrond, the decision to take action, the forming of the Fellowship and the beginning of the quest. About page 400 they arrive at the Mines of Moria. This was where I was hopelessly hooked.
Yeah, like the films, "Fellowship" is rather leisurely, but as the epic continues the writing gets tighter, the story more perilous. It is almost like you have words under pressure. The Riders of Rohan, Treebeard, the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, and so many other great unforgettable chapters that will stay with you for life.
I had said this before on this and the old boards that I have read the entire sage out loud - twice. Once to each of my two sons. That is in addition to the half-dozen or so times I have read in on my own.
The movie trilogy goes very, very wrong. "Fellowship" is OK and actually gave me hope, but I got uneasy as soon as the second film started and knew it had gone off the rails for good when we got to the dwarf tossing scene. It never recovered. I can't imagine that the "Return of the King" would make a lick of sense to anyone who hadn't read the books first. So many things go wrong. So many things are done so badly that any emotional impact is drained away. It was an action movie. Lots of computer animation. No characterization. No exhilaration. Just noise. The multiple false endings, the fade-outs fade back in, caused derisive laughter in the theater where I saw it.
Set aside some time each day. Turn off the phone. Get some alone time. Some "me" time. And read.
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Post by vegalyra on Sept 5, 2018 21:06:13 GMT
The only book of the series I had a hard time with was Return of the King. The parts with Frodo and Sam attempting to reach Mount Doom seemed to drag on and on. I actually loved The Fellowship of the Ring the best and revisit it on its own quite a few times. The movie left out quite a bit, including the appearance of Tom Bombadil and the Barrow-Wight (which part was key to the dagger that was used by Merry in "Return" to slay the Lord of the Nazgul (unexplained in the film). This book has some of the most intriguing and mysterious parts of the trilogy in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 22:26:07 GMT
Sorry, mike, too late for that - i read The Hobbit about five years ago.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Sept 5, 2018 23:06:50 GMT
I read the Hobbit but cant get motivated to read LOTR.
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Post by mikef6 on Sept 6, 2018 2:01:44 GMT
Sorry, mike, too late for that - i read The Hobbit about five years ago. That's fine. I was just cautioning anyone about to tackle the epic that "The Hobbit" was NOT a necessary starting point. Dive right into LOTR.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 6, 2018 18:23:28 GMT
If it's any consolation, Fellowship is the most boring of the three. I really struggled, especially during the Bombadill chapters. But once I got to TTT, I breezed through.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 8, 2018 16:18:27 GMT
My favorite fantasy book to this day (The trilogy is actually one whole book so I don't split them up) and primarily because of its writing.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 8, 2018 16:19:27 GMT
Sorry, mike, too late for that - i read The Hobbit about five years ago. That's fine. I was just cautioning anyone about to tackle the epic that "The Hobbit" was NOT a necessary starting point. Dive right into LOTR. Although I agree, I also think The Hobbit is a good way to acquaint oneself with the world and Tolkien's writing.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Sept 8, 2018 17:41:45 GMT
I prefer The Fionavar Tapestry. "The similarities between Tolkien’s and Kay’s trilogies are obvious and intentional. Like Tolkien, Kay creates a world that is different from our own, inhabited by races other than human (including dwarves, miscellaneous monsters, and his equivalent of elves-the lios alfar, “most hated by the Dark for their name was light” (ST 15)). Many of the characters are types Tolkien uses: the powerful dark lord, the noble wizard, the wizard who betrays, the warrior king. And the reader is introduced to this world by characters who are, in essence, outsiders, and yet who become the most important actors in the world; instead of hobbits, Kay uses five characters from our world-Kim, Jennifer, Paul, Dave and Kevin-who are brought by Loren, the wizard, into Fionavar. Despite these obvious similarities, Kay’s work is not a mindless imitation of Tolkien like the dozens that still appear in the fantasy sections of our bookstores. He uses the elements intentionally, and the ways in which he distinguishes himself from Tolkien shed light on the complexity of how issues like free will and sacrifice can be explored in literature."
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Post by poelzig on Sept 20, 2018 3:14:30 GMT
Good luck. 100 pages is probably how far I got. When the movies were announced I went out and bought all three books but I couldn't finish not even the first one. Im not surprised, I started The Hobbit last year, guess where I'm at now. Not even halfway through! I suppose Tolkien's writing style is aimed at the younger audience ...particularly children who are easily amused by fire-breathing Dragons and silly dwarves going on adventures. So what you're saying is even children are able to focus better than you. Not sure why you seem so smug about something you should be embarrassed about but okay.
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Post by ghostintheshell on Sept 20, 2018 3:41:14 GMT
Im not surprised, I started The Hobbit last year, guess where I'm at now. Not even halfway through! I suppose Tolkien's writing style is aimed at the younger audience ...particularly children who are easily amused by fire-breathing Dragons and silly dwarves going on adventures. So what you're saying is even children are able to focus better than you. Not sure why you seem so smug about something you should be embarrassed about but okay. Why should I be embarrassed about not finding a children's novel interesting?
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Post by poelzig on Sept 20, 2018 4:12:34 GMT
So what you're saying is even children are able to focus better than you. Not sure why you seem so smug about something you should be embarrassed about but okay. Why should I be embarrassed about not finding a children's novel interesting? If you didn't find it interesting you wouldn't have started reading the novel and you definitely wouldn't have struggled through 100 pages and you also wouldn't have used mirkwood as your previous name. Surely you didn't get mirkwood from Stranger Things since it's about a group of CHILDREN and it's aimed at a young audience. Even if you are unable to understand why it's embarrassing that a kids book is too complex for you, it still doesn't explain why you're so smug about being unable to finish that book. There is a comic book version that covers most of the book. You could look at the pictures and maybe get the gist of it.
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Post by ghostintheshell on Sept 20, 2018 4:59:13 GMT
Why should I be embarrassed about not finding a children's novel interesting? Surely you didn't get mirkwood from Stranger Things since it's about a group of CHILDREN and it's aimed at a young audience. Haha you got me there but that's not why I havent finished The Hobbit yet, it's his writing style in Hobbit that made it seem so...different? Unlike Silmarillion and Lotr, The Hobbit was written as a children's novel and is devoid of darker elements, or lack thereof. I prefer Peter Jackson's version of hobbit though it derails from the source material. Middle-earth is filled with all kinds of vile monsters and a formless evil forces who aren't so forgiving and it holds no place in the fairy tale section. I grant you that if it weren't for Jackson's inclusion of dark themes like gory violence, heartbreak, and death, The Hobbit would be forgotten by now.
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Post by Morgana on Sept 20, 2018 8:36:25 GMT
My favorite fantasy book to this day (The trilogy is actually one whole book so I don't split them up) and primarily because of its writing. Was it in RotK that we get to see Faramir and Eowyn in the Houses of Healing? I wished so much that they had put that in the films. I thought their falling in love was a wonderful way to give both characters some happiness after all they'd endured.
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