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Post by Lugh on Sept 28, 2018 18:59:33 GMT
I think she meant to say single most horrifying terrorist incident. Again lol no. Al Qaeda was simply paying America back in its own coin
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 28, 2018 20:26:16 GMT
I think she meant to say single most horrifying terrorist incident. Again lol no. Al Qaeda was simply paying America back in its own coin lol
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Post by goz on Sept 28, 2018 21:04:00 GMT
Again lol no. Al Qaeda was simply paying America back in its own coin lol I know you were being 'ironic' copying Lugh in his meaningless laughter (lol) at the human tragedies or terrorism and warfare, however IMHO he has a point This thread irritated me due to the fact that Americans tend to have such a biased view of world events and their own God given conception and definition of what constitutes 'terrorism' (ie it is only ever against them and they never commit this particular form of atrocity) that I can see Lughs point. It is obvious to everyone except the Americocentric that US's involvement/intervention in the Middle East ( Iraq in particular ) constitutes a far greater terrorism ( in their eyes ) than one nasty episode of 'retribution' on the hallowed American soil. Of course we all abhor the whole event at the WTC and the loss of life, however to say it was is inaccurate, parochial, a bit crass and xenophobic in the extreme.
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Post by Lugh on Sept 28, 2018 21:06:26 GMT
Again lol no. Al Qaeda was simply paying America back in its own coin lol Why lol? America has long used the middle east, Latin America and Asia as it's plaything, massacring civilians en masse without a moments hesitation. 9/11 was a walk in the park compared to what America did to the Vietnamese people. Walk down a street in Vietnam today and you see people with missing arms and legs. That's all on America.
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Post by clusium on Sept 28, 2018 22:56:45 GMT
I know you were being 'ironic' copying Lugh in his meaningless laughter (lol) at the human tragedies or terrorism and warfare, however IMHO he has a point This thread irritated me due to the fact that Americans tend to have such a biased view of world events and their own God given conception and definition of what constitutes 'terrorism' (ie it is only ever against them and they never commit this particular form of atrocity) that I can see Lughs point. It is obvious to everyone except the Americocentric that US's involvement/intervention in the Middle East ( Iraq in particular ) constitutes a far greater terrorism ( in their eyes ) than one nasty episode of 'retribution' on the hallowed American soil. Of course we all abhor the whole event at the WTC and the loss of life, however to say it was is inaccurate, parochial, a bit crass and xenophobic in the extreme. You do realize, of course, that I'm Canadian, not American, don't you Goz?
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Post by goz on Sept 28, 2018 23:44:14 GMT
I know you were being 'ironic' copying Lugh in his meaningless laughter (lol) at the human tragedies or terrorism and warfare, however IMHO he has a point This thread irritated me due to the fact that Americans tend to have such a biased view of world events and their own God given conception and definition of what constitutes 'terrorism' (ie it is only ever against them and they never commit this particular form of atrocity) that I can see Lughs point. It is obvious to everyone except the Americocentric that US's involvement/intervention in the Middle East ( Iraq in particular ) constitutes a far greater terrorism ( in their eyes ) than one nasty episode of 'retribution' on the hallowed American soil. Of course we all abhor the whole event at the WTC and the loss of life, however to say it was is inaccurate, parochial, a bit crass and xenophobic in the extreme. You do realize, of course, that I'm Canadian, not American, don't you Goz? Yes, of course I do. Does that make you exempt from your views?
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Post by clusium on Sept 28, 2018 23:46:25 GMT
You do realize, of course, that I'm Canadian, not American, don't you Goz? Yes, of course I do. Does that make you exempt from your views? Yes, because I am not Americocentric.
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Post by goz on Sept 28, 2018 23:47:40 GMT
Yes, of course I do. Does that make you exempt from your views? Yes, because I am not Americocentric. Clearly by your thread title, you are not.
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Post by maya55555 on Sept 29, 2018 0:29:09 GMT
gozzy
Nor are you.
Remember here to keep you humble.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 29, 2018 0:32:09 GMT
gozzy
Nor are you.
Remember here to keep you humble. It still amazes me that after all these years they're still saying "clearly" as if it proves them absolutely right.
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Post by progressiveelement on Sept 29, 2018 2:19:35 GMT
Ok. I'm going to throw my two cents in.
Seeing some "America deserved it".
Targeting the Pentagon, fair enough. Its a military target. Not saying it was right, but that one made sense in terms of wanting revenge, and United 93 was intended for a government target. But still, innocent lives ended.
The two targetting the WTC - these were not legit military targets. No one in those buildings, no-one below, none of the emergency folk, people on all four planes, none of these had anything to do with any shit going on in the Middle East. Just people going about their daily routine.
We can wax rhetoric forever about American involvement in other country's affairs. Vietnam is raised, some ignorance of the circumstances noted. But, it is not like, oh, they decide to arbitrarily bomb civvies. That's not how it works. No complaint when the other sides attack civilians, as happened, but I do understand - we in the 21st Century, we really should have moved past war by now. 9/11 was a very costly reminder that, no, war has not gone away. Evil does not vanish simply because peace breaks out.
When someone believes their cause is just enough that thousands of deaths are a necessary expenditure, there is no reasoning with that mindset. That goes for all sides.
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 29, 2018 2:25:51 GMT
I know you were being 'ironic' copying Lugh in his meaningless laughter (lol) at the human tragedies or terrorism and warfare, however IMHO he has a point This thread irritated me due to the fact that Americans tend to have such a biased view of world events and their own God given conception and definition of what constitutes 'terrorism' (ie it is only ever against them and they never commit this particular form of atrocity) that I can see Lughs point. It is obvious to everyone except the Americocentric that US's involvement/intervention in the Middle East ( Iraq in particular ) constitutes a far greater terrorism ( in their eyes ) than one nasty episode of 'retribution' on the hallowed American soil. Of course we all abhor the whole event at the WTC and the loss of life, however to say it was is inaccurate, parochial, a bit crass and xenophobic in the extreme. And none of that makes WTC attack not a terrorist attack. Or not not the single largest terrorist attack. By single largest one means most deaths in one incident and not cumulative deaths. Not sure why you are eager to teach me about American involvement in Muslim world. There was a thread I started on Libya intervention that was largely ignored by board Liberals because it didn't fall in line with their cheap political agenda.
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 29, 2018 2:38:05 GMT
Ok. I'm going to throw my two cents in. Seeing some "America deserved it". Targeting the Pentagon, fair enough. Its a military target. Not saying it was right, but that one made sense in terms of wanting revenge, and United 93 was intended for a government target. But still, innocent lives ended. The two targetting the WTC - these were not legit military targets. No one in those buildings, no-one below, none of the emergency folk, people on all four planes, none of these had anything to do with any shit going on in the Middle East. Just people going about their daily routine. We can wax rhetoric forever about American involvement in other country's affairs. Vietnam is raised, some ignorance of the circumstances noted. But, it is not like, oh, they decide to arbitrarily bomb civvies. That's not how it works. No complaint when the other sides attack civilians, as happened, but I do understand - we in the 21st Century, we really should have moved past war by now. 9/11 was a very costly reminder that, no, war has not gone away. Evil does not vanish simply because peace breaks out. When someone believes their cause is just enough that thousands of deaths are a necessary expenditure, there is no reasoning with that mindset. That goes for all sides. That is right. The terrorist attack on WTC was the single biggest terrorist attack because of the magnitude of death. I have not known any other attack that killed 2900+ people at a single compound.
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Sept 29, 2018 5:42:29 GMT
I was an alter server, serving at a 6 AM mass in LA during 9/11. The msgr. had just asked anyone if they wanted to offer a prayer,and an old lady said 'I'd like to pray for the people in New York'. I thought that was odd at the time. The mass ended, and my mom picked me up and told me what had happened. Very surreal.
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Post by Lugh on Sept 29, 2018 12:17:43 GMT
Ok. I'm going to throw my two cents in. Seeing some "America deserved it". Targeting the Pentagon, fair enough. Its a military target. Not saying it was right, but that one made sense in terms of wanting revenge, and United 93 was intended for a government target. But still, innocent lives ended. The two targetting the WTC - these were not legit military targets. No one in those buildings, no-one below, none of the emergency folk, people on all four planes, none of these had anything to do with any shit going on in the Middle East. Just people going about their daily routine. We can wax rhetoric forever about American involvement in other country's affairs. Vietnam is raised, some ignorance of the circumstances noted. But, it is not like, oh, they decide to arbitrarily bomb civvies. That's not how it works. No complaint when the other sides attack civilians, as happened, but I do understand - we in the 21st Century, we really should have moved past war by now. 9/11 was a very costly reminder that, no, war has not gone away. Evil does not vanish simply because peace breaks out. When someone believes their cause is just enough that thousands of deaths are a necessary expenditure, there is no reasoning with that mindset. That goes for all sides. That is right. The terrorist attack on WTC was the single biggest terrorist attack because of the magnitude of death. I have not known any other attack that killed 2900+ people at a single compound. Al Qaeda wiped out two towers, America wiped out two cities during world war two, one bomb for each city. I am talking about the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki of course which killed 129,000 people. THOSE are much bigger terrorist attacks then 9/11
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Post by phludowin on Sept 29, 2018 12:25:27 GMT
That is right. The terrorist attack on WTC was the single biggest terrorist attack because of the magnitude of death. I have not known any other attack that killed 2900+ people at a single compound. Al Qaeda wiped out two towers, America wiped out two cities during world war two, one bomb for each city. I am talking about the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki of course which killed 129,000 people. THOSE are much bigger terrorist attacks then 9/11 That was in 1945. Not in the 21st century. The Vietnam war wasn't in the 21st century either. What's with terrorism sympathizers who don't know when a century begins?
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Post by progressiveelement on Sept 29, 2018 12:36:07 GMT
That is right. The terrorist attack on WTC was the single biggest terrorist attack because of the magnitude of death. I have not known any other attack that killed 2900+ people at a single compound. Al Qaeda wiped out two towers, America wiped out two cities during world war two, one bomb for each city. I am talking about the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki of course which killed 129,000 people. THOSE are much bigger terrorist attacks then 9/11 All Americans are accountable. Even for Japanese war crimes, its America's fault! Rape of Nanking, Unit 731, comfort women - AMERICANS ARE ALL EVIL!
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Post by clusium on Sept 29, 2018 14:54:46 GMT
That is right. The terrorist attack on WTC was the single biggest terrorist attack because of the magnitude of death. I have not known any other attack that killed 2900+ people at a single compound. Al Qaeda wiped out two towers, America wiped out two cities during world war two, one bomb for each city. I am talking about the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki of course which killed 129,000 people. THOSE are much bigger terrorist attacks then 9/11 True, however, the title for my topic was Horrifying Event Of The 21'St Century, not The Most Horrifying Event Ever!!
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Post by Lugh on Sept 29, 2018 16:41:22 GMT
Al Qaeda wiped out two towers, America wiped out two cities during world war two, one bomb for each city. I am talking about the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki of course which killed 129,000 people. THOSE are much bigger terrorist attacks then 9/11 That was in 1945. Not in the 21st century. The Vietnam war wasn't in the 21st century either. What's with terrorism sympathizers who don't know when a century begins? The post I responded to never specified the 21st century. I never claimed the Vietnam war was terrorist attack anyway.
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Post by Lugh on Sept 29, 2018 16:42:33 GMT
Al Qaeda wiped out two towers, America wiped out two cities during world war two, one bomb for each city. I am talking about the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki of course which killed 129,000 people. THOSE are much bigger terrorist attacks then 9/11 All Americans are accountable. Even for Japanese war crimes, its America's fault! Rape of Nanking, Unit 731, comfort women - AMERICANS ARE ALL EVIL! Many Americans condone that. Never made that argument anyway.
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