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Post by Vegas on Sept 14, 2018 0:00:23 GMT
That's the joke.... I spent half the day doing that... And Rabbitghost replied to every one.
That's less a joke than a statement of mental illness. I'll get bored of her soonPromises, promises.
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Post by Vegas on Sept 14, 2018 0:07:32 GMT
That's the joke.... I spent half the day doing that... And Rabbitghost replied to every one.
That's less a joke than a statement of mental illness. Here... Let me fix that for you: The joke that you are making about yourself is that you replied to every one.. and, as you stupidly fail to realize... because you are indeed stupid: YOU SPENT HALF THE DAY RESPONDING TO THOSE POSTS, DUMBASS!! - "You spent half the day making poop posts?... What a loser!" - "What?.. You spent half the day responding to them."
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Post by amyghost on Sept 14, 2018 0:08:01 GMT
Vegas, just stop. Bask for a while in your 4,000 post status, then come back to another thread and give the ad hominems a rest. Yes, I am quoting myself, but there is a method in my madness!
I've figured it out, by Jove, Vegas is just trying to run up his number of posts! When I made the first one, he was at 4,000 and now he is at 4,053. Is he trying to get to 5,000? Is there a prize, or change in status?
Stay tuned, to see what happens when he gets there! My god, I'll be forever dangling in limbo, I'm afeared. You can only argue with the insane for so long, and I finally blocked the twit (I should have done that two days ago); so if he's reaching for 5,000 status he'll have to try some other tack. Since he's got all the indications of some sort of paranoid disorder, as well as insatiable logorrhea this shouldn't be too difficult for him. Getting into his crosshairs doesn't take much from the looks of it. Maybe his head dissolves into a fine pink mist when he gets there. If so, I hope someone viddies it for me, because I could use a good laugh.
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Post by Vegas on Sept 14, 2018 0:26:10 GMT
I finally blocked the twit 1) Thank fucking God... I hope the door doesn't hit her in the ass on the way out. 2) I love how she's acting like I was somehow forcing her to reply to my every post.. including the ones.
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Post by goz on Sept 14, 2018 0:34:17 GMT
I finally blocked the twit 1) Thank fucking God... I hope the door doesn't hit her in the ass on the way out. 2) I love how she's acting like I was somehow forcing her to reply to my every post.. including the ones. Congratulations! www.bing.com/images/search?q=winning+an+nline+argument&FORM=HDRSC2I hereby crown you with 'The Golden Poo' award. I had the brown one gilded in your honour.
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Post by Vegas on Sept 14, 2018 0:34:36 GMT
So the fig tree represents the nation of Israel and it's religious leaders..... The nation wasn't bearing any spiritual fruit, as they were rejecting the coming messiah... and was, thus, losing God's favor, so it would never be blessed with fruit again. This greater metaphor also serves as a lesser metaphor for the Christian: Bear spiritual fruit or be deemed as purposeless as a fig tree with no figs. The act of cursing the tree is a "living metaphor" designed to create that lesson. It was therefore a premeditated action with the lesson being considered in its aftermath, so anger isn't probably apart of the equation.
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Post by Vegas on Sept 14, 2018 0:43:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 2:28:06 GMT
I think only a minority of people would take everything in the Bible as a literal truth. Religious extremists are the only people I think that would since religions can highly influence people to read in only limited amount of aspects that their taught. I personally don't take much difference between reading the Bible and any other piece of literature that can be interpreted by the individual reader differently. These interpretations get discussed, compared, and debated by readers of the same story. It's even true that the authors sometimes didn't intend for their writing to be taken a certain way and that's because a story can have more than one meaning even if the authors themselves weren't consciously aware of them. This can also be true for people within religions that promote their religious texts. If the interpretation can be supported by text than it can't ever be taken as incorrect. Even if you're taught to read something a certain way or taught what the meaning of a certain text is there are still other perspectives out there that can't be discredited as long as if it's still supported by text. This can also true for the Bible. When reading the Bible specifically as a whole take every note of you own interpretations and see if there are any contradictions between those. If they are then find different interpretations. Like you mentioned this process takes years by hundreds of thousands of different people. I don't think many books in general can be 100% agreed upon between everyone and these discussions of meaning and interpretation will always continue. I find your post interesting (most of them here have been), but I have to disagree with you at the first sentence. Most Christian sects do enjoin their followers to take the Bible as literal truth down to the last 'and' and 'the' (apologies to Mary McCarthy), and even if the average theologian doesn't do so--as don't, I'd imagine, most people of an average level of common sense--it doesn't alter the fact that a root foundation of Christian belief lies in the notion that The Word is to be taken very literally indeed, and that it was intended by God, its author, to be. Certainly most forms of 'primitive' Christian sects, while definitely placing their own spin on scripture, frown mightily on attempts by others to 'interpret' or 're-read' any of it as being other than literally true to what's on the printed page. I made that claim based on how I was taught to read the Bible based on the Catholic Church's Catechism, which is the literal sense and the spiritual sense, and that's because the Bible is understood to be combined with many separate pieces of work of different genres that were written by different authors with different writing styles. I can believe most Christians take certain stories and as a literal truth but not the whole Bible or every little detail in the Bible entirely because then they would more likely be missing the metaphorical and moral meaning and ultimately missing the whole message. You can still say Christians read the Bible literally and spiritually combined depending on that that means, but when I say "literal" I'm referring to it as historical context. "Literal" can be taken as different meanings, such as reading it in the sense the author intended, so it does depend on what we mean by "literal". I believe most Protestants and Catholics alike read the Bible knowing that not everything is literal in that context, but not everyone will agree on which parts of the Bible are literal. I do think most Christians agree on certain things like that the Resurrection should be taken as a literal truth even if there is a spiritual meaning behind it as well, but I don't believe most Christians take everything in the Bible as literal especially certain details in the Creation story and the story of Adam and Eve. Those two stories are argued upon a lot between Christians because it seems the most open for interpretation as well as having many interpretations and meanings. In my opinion I think it's more important to understand the overall message instead of arguing over literal interpretations.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 14, 2018 3:46:18 GMT
1) Thank fucking God... I hope the door doesn't hit her in the ass on the way out.2) I love how she's acting like I was somehow forcing her to reply to my every post.. including the ones. Congratulations! www.bing.com/images/search?q=winning+an+nline+argument&FORM=HDRSC2I hereby crown you with 'The Golden Poo' award. I had the brown one gilded in your honour. The real hilarity here is that the nit probably considers himself to be a Christian. Makes me very happy to be agnostic. Almost as hilarious is his apparent idea that, because I've blocked him, I disappear. Well, no one said he was terribly bright. He doesn't seem to have been bright enough to figure out that he was racing to the keyboard to whip out his continued responses to my posts as well. Come to think of it, I guess that award is the brightest thing about him. Which is entirely appropriate. EDIT: Sadly, since he's now blocked, he won't get to appreciate the avatar I selected especially in his honor . Ah, well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 4:40:20 GMT
I find your post interesting (most of them here have been), but I have to disagree with you at the first sentence. Most Christian sects do enjoin their followers to take the Bible as literal truth down to the last 'and' and 'the' (apologies to Mary McCarthy), and even if the average theologian doesn't do so--as don't, I'd imagine, most people of an average level of common sense--it doesn't alter the fact that a root foundation of Christian belief lies in the notion that The Word is to be taken very literally indeed, and that it was intended by God, its author, to be. Certainly most forms of 'primitive' Christian sects, while definitely placing their own spin on scripture, frown mightily on attempts by others to 'interpret' or 're-read' any of it as being other than literally true to what's on the printed page. I've been wanting to post on this subject for a while, given that I worked in the publishing industry for years as an editor and proofreader, but I will let Thomas Paine say it in a much more concise manner than I ever could.
Well, there it is. I made a living for a long time searching for mistakes, misspellings, typos, badly phrased sentences, wrong words used and the occasional willful alterations. If it happens now, in the age of spell check, just think of how many typos got through in the last 2,000 years.
There are actually famous bibles collectors buy, just for a major typo that completely alters the message. The use of words is fluid, and nothing can be taken as literally true, or even literarily true (see how easy it is to change the meaning of a phrase with one word changed?)
So, to me, every concept put forth in language is subject to interpretation. Just my 2 cents worth...
And, I think the 'Word of God', all of them - Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Rastafarian - are all created by humans. It is the human attempt to make sense of their existence, and that is why I consider myself to be an agnostic atheist.I think this relates back to my past point that most people including Christians don't take the whole Bible literally or read it the same way, just like other works of literary fiction. If anything is subject to interpretation then that would include the literal sense. If it can be supported by the text then it can't be seen as inaccurate in context. I agree that translation can get lost and that we don't know the real intent of something written especially of that we don't even know who wrote it. I can see the possibility of intentional alterations of text written in the New Testament specifically in order to promote Christianity. I don't think however that misspellings or badly phrased sentences would make any significant difference when it comes to interpreting the meaning of the text within a paragraph or chapter it's found in. I can only really see minor differences in understanding meanings of certain words in small phrases or sentences. Things can be interpreted by a larger context, and even if not 100% true, it can be seen as being pretty close to it. For instance in this thread where it was argued that Jesus was angry at a tree. He may have not actually been angry at the tree depending on interpretation of context. I don't think whether he was angry or not is really an important detail when understanding the literal and metaphorical meaning. Even if he was angry at a tree the literal and metaphorical meaning of the story wouldn't be much different or significantly affected in any way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 5:04:35 GMT
]It can't be considered misinterpretation if it is supported, and when some are misinterpretations then that just represents our own human flaws. Everyone's perspective of God is different and that would be including that he's non-existent, just an abstract concept, or an actual supreme being. But that's just my point. On matters that are important, such as on whether it can be morally right to torture people, why would God not tell human beings in no uncertain terms what is morally right? Many Christians, including the most senior clerics of the Catholic Church, used to believe it was their moral duty to torture others in certain situations (and some Christians still believe it to be so). Most Christians today say that using torture is a terrible sin in any circumstance. Or what about capital punishment? Some very faithful people believe that God says capital punishment is morally right while others believe that God says it is always morally wrong. They both can "support" their beliefs based on their readings of scripture. But they cannot both be right. How can God leave such an important matter open to at least one of the two positions being wrong? A good parent, knowing that her toddler is liable to put anything he finds in his mouth and swallow it, keeps medicine in child-proof bottles stored in a cabinet that the child cannot reach. Why does God, knowing human's flaws, not give them the most important information in a way that makes it virtually impossible for any humans of sincere faith to not understand exactly what God wants them to understand? I think that is determined by society rather then God on what's considered moral and what is considered justified punishment. Murder can be immoral in certain and in most circumstances but it can also be justly explained in special circumstances. Capital punishment might be justified in some circumstances but not every circumstance, so this means they can both be right depending on the circumstance. What readings of scripture are they supporting when regarding their beliefs about capital punishment? We can have our own perspective of God even without Biblical support. My only way of answering for the unknown is that we as humans learn better when we experience these things for ourselves. One of the best ways we understand is by seeing the errors in the choices we make. It's not always enough just to be told why we should or shouldn't do things by another person or group. Because of this we could still be given a list of very specific instructions and still don't follow or believe them.
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Post by Vegas on Sept 14, 2018 7:19:51 GMT
The real hilarity here is that the nit probably considers himself to be a Christian. Makes me very happy to be agnostic.
I don't..... That's one more point towards you being a retard. Does anybody out there speak Retard?.... What the hell is she saying? Seriously... At any point, have I ever denied that I was replying to you, idiot? You literally just makes shit up in your head.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Sept 14, 2018 22:17:40 GMT
Most Christian sects do enjoin their followers to take the Bible as literal truth down to the last 'and' and 'the' (apologies to Mary McCarthy), and even if the average theologian doesn't do so--as don't, I'd imagine, most people of an average level of common sense--it doesn't alter the fact that a root foundation of Christian belief lies in the notion that The Word is to be taken very literally indeed, and that it was intended by God, its author, to be. Certainly most forms of 'primitive' Christian sects, while definitely placing their own spin on scripture, frown mightily on attempts by others to 'interpret' or 're-read' any of it as being other than literally true to what's on the printed page. I posted the following survey results of Americans in a different thread. So among self-identified American Christians, at least, only about half (50%) believe the Bible is to be taken as the literal, inerrant word of God. The percentage is higher among (white) Evangelical Christians, at 90%. Rather than stating that "most Christian sects do enjoin their followers to take the Bible as literal truth," I think it would be more accurate to say that most Christian sects enjoin their followers to take the Bible as the truth as God has inspired men to write it, even though some parts are not meant to be taken as a historical record of facts as they actually transpired. Fundamentalist Evangelicals generally believe it is supposed to be taken as a historical record of facts as they actually transpired, while other Christians view it as partly historical record on some subjects and partly inspirational or only allegorical on others. The term "literal" can be confusing in this regard. I think that most Christians do believe that if an innocent bystander had been present in the grove with the fig tree with a camcorder or iPhone making a recording, he would have seen Jesus actually there with his disciples and seen Jesus curse the tree, and it would have been captured on video. My sense from this discussion is that monicah would say that there may not have been any actual fig tree, and that God inspired the writers of the Bible, and those who have decided which stories to include as part of the canon through the centuries, to include that story for what it represents rather than necessarily for what actually transpired.
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Post by Vegas on Sept 15, 2018 12:09:04 GMT
EDIT: Sadly, since he's now blocked, he won't get to appreciate the avatar I selected especially in his honor . Ah, well. Does the retard know that I can still see her? Does she think that because she blocks me that she just disappears?
Apparently, it's her apparent idea, tho. What a fuking moron.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 19, 2018 0:28:19 GMT
Congratulations! I hereby crown you with 'The Golden Poo' award. I had the brown one gilded in your honour. The real hilarity here is that the nit probably considers himself to be a Christian. Makes me very happy to be agnostic. Almost as hilarious is his apparent idea that, because I've blocked him, I disappear. Well, no one said he was terribly bright. He doesn't seem to have been bright enough to figure out that he was racing to the keyboard to whip out his continued responses to my posts as well. Come to think of it, I guess that award is the brightest thing about him. Which is entirely appropriate. EDIT: Sadly, since he's now blocked, he won't get to appreciate the avatar I selected especially in his honor . Ah, well. I love your new avatar, no matter why it was created - that is one seriously cute bunny and reminds me of my own domestic bunny, adopted from a shelter.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 19, 2018 11:49:26 GMT
The real hilarity here is that the nit probably considers himself to be a Christian. Makes me very happy to be agnostic. Almost as hilarious is his apparent idea that, because I've blocked him, I disappear. Well, no one said he was terribly bright. He doesn't seem to have been bright enough to figure out that he was racing to the keyboard to whip out his continued responses to my posts as well. Come to think of it, I guess that award is the brightest thing about him. Which is entirely appropriate. EDIT: Sadly, since he's now blocked, he won't get to appreciate the avatar I selected especially in his honor . Ah, well. I love your new avatar, no matter why it was created - that is one seriously cute bunny and reminds me of my own domestic bunny, adopted from a shelter. Good for you! People forget that shelters house lots of other unfortunate animals than simply dogs and cats. Every one of my cats is a rescue, and i wouldn't have it any other way. And really--if it all ended in a cute bunny, it was all worthwhile .
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