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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 6, 2017 20:38:03 GMT
While his mere existence drives the plot, it doesn't drive his power. He's not more powerful because he's Harry. He may be a loyal and, to quote Dumbledore, "fierce friend," that doesn't translate to being a powerful wizard. He didn't even stand a chance against Snape.
No doubt. However, as I said, nowhere was it stated that fierce loyalty would call Fawkes. Harry didn't know that. He didn't plan it. He didn't will it. It was just something Fawkes responded to. If I whistle at a dog that's been trained and it comes running to me, that doesn't make me a great fighter.
Exactly. His loyalty, not his power.
Harry was lucky all those things either fell into place or were already in place for him.
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Post by Jillian on Apr 7, 2017 5:30:53 GMT
I see what you mean, but I still do not think it is that black and white like you make it out to be. Of course Harry did not stand a chance against Snape in the books because Harry was young and Snape was a fully grown wizard, one of the best of his kind. Sure, Harry´s mere existence drives the plot of course, but it does drive his power, too. It is repeatedly shown that Harry grows and time after time again he defeats Voldemort. You are actually comparing whistling to a dog to Fawkes in the second book!? If you whistle to a dog, it comes to you because of training and because of the whistling sound. Fawkes did not hear any sound, just deep within a fierce feeling of love and loyalty, now that is magic. In loyalty and love lie power as well and that was something that Voldemort never understood. He had none of it, while Harry was the definition of it.
We seem to have to agree to disagree. There was always luck and chance to some extent present, sure, but it was so much more than that.
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Post by chalk2 on Apr 21, 2017 0:04:59 GMT
I think Snape's childhood sapped a bit of his self-confidence. If he had believed more in his own skill and abilities I think he would have found he was more powerful than he himself and others gave him credit for.
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Post by Jillian on Apr 22, 2017 11:19:36 GMT
I think Snape's childhood sapped a bit of his self-confidence. If he had believed more in his own skill and abilities I think he would have found he was more powerful than he himself and others gave him credit for. Yes, agreed! And If it weren' t for Lily, he would have lost himself to the darkness indefinitely.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 23, 2017 4:55:06 GMT
- Harry Potter: The best student at Defence Against the Dark Arts. Winner of the Triwizard Tournament (with a bit of help!). Survived several events that would have finished lesser wizards.
Maybe I've completely overlooked something, but I've always felt as though Potter was a fairly average student (Defence Against the Dark Arts aside). Yes he excelled in one subject, and as an athlete, but he wasn't particularly remarkable in any other way. He was just the chosen one and the boy who lived - and that wasn't the result of skill or knowledge. It was the luck of the draw. He was well respected by other wizards because he was almost mythological - the baby that led to Voldemort's downfall and the only one that survived the killing curse (as far as I can remember, Voldemort doesn't count in my opinion). But he didn't even do that, it was the result of his mother. He just had terrible, or great depending on how you look at it, luck. He wasn't ever a powerful or exceptional wizard. And, by his own admission, he "almost always had help." Oh, Harry. What a brave, awesome dude... But no, not the most powerful or even close. He's kind of the Peter Parker of the wizarding world.
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Post by tastytomatoes on Apr 23, 2017 7:02:57 GMT
What about Sirius Black? The wizard who escaped Azkaban?
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Post by SciFive on May 24, 2017 20:27:13 GMT
I voted for Dumbledore, but I think Harry gets honorable mention for outsmarting You-Know-Who at the age of 11 in Philospher's Stone.
He also killed a horcrux at the age of 12 (Chamber of Secrets).
He held off You-Know-Who with his wand at 14 (Goblet of Fire).
He pushed You-Know-Who out of himself and told him that he felt sorry for him at 15 (Order of the Phoenix).
He found out You-Know-Who's big secret about the horcruxes from Slughorn at 16 (Half-Blood Prince), although he had a lucky potion for that one.
He killed Voldemort in "Deathly Hallows, Part II" at 17, sort of.
Pretty good, really!
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