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Post by captainbryce on Sept 12, 2018 0:31:45 GMT
Do you believe that God is ALWAYS just....(that he always administers perfect justice)?
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Post by Rodney Farber on Sept 12, 2018 14:39:31 GMT
Do you believe that God is ALWAYS just....(that he always administers perfect justice)? I was stopped by a Jehovah's Witness who wanted to give me a pamphlet with "good news". So I asked her if she thought the Bible was "truth". When she answered in the affirmative, I asked her why she worshiped a God that killed millions of people with the great flood. Her response was, "He must have had a good reason". Either - she thought that Jehovah's actions were always just, or
- More likely ... This is one of the multitude of questions that JW's are asked and the witnesses quote the response that the elders have prompted the witness to say.
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Post by Isapop on Sept 12, 2018 15:04:36 GMT
Do you believe that God is ALWAYS just....(that he always administers perfect justice)? I once heard it argued (by a Christian at the time) that even if an action of God might appear unjust to us, our own human concept of justice is not qualified to judge God's actions, because Divine justice is simply far above and beyond our limited comprehension. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 12, 2018 15:05:35 GMT
Do you believe that God is ALWAYS just....(that he always administers perfect justice)? Yes. We just may not agree with it. |
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Post by captainbryce on Sept 12, 2018 15:35:34 GMT
Do you believe that God is ALWAYS just....(that he always administers perfect justice)? I once heard it argued (by a Christian at the time) that even if an action of God might appear unjust to us, our own human concept of justice is not qualified to judge God's actions, because Divine justice is simply far above and beyond our limited comprehension. That sounds like a very poor way of saying that human justice (the only known standard that we can use), is of no value, and God’s justice is superior (even when obviously unjust by inferior human standards) is because merely because he is God. |
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Post by captainbryce on Sept 12, 2018 15:43:52 GMT
Do you believe that God is ALWAYS just....(that he always administers perfect justice)? Yes. We just may not agree with it. And I take it you believe that passages such as these support your opinion that god is always “just”? Psalm 89:14Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne; love and faithfulness go before you.Isaiah 61:8For I, the Lord, love justice; I hate robbery and wrongdoing. In my faithfulness I will reward my people and make an everlasting covenant with them. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 12, 2018 15:49:27 GMT
Although this feels like a setup for a plethora of half quotes verses, the answer remains yes.
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Post by Isapop on Sept 12, 2018 15:52:50 GMT
I once heard it argued (by a Christian at the time) that even if an action of God might appear unjust to us, our own human concept of justice is not qualified to judge God's actions, because Divine justice is simply far above and beyond our limited comprehension. That sounds like a very poor way of saying that human justice (the only known standard that we can use), is of no value, and God’s justice is superior (even when obviously unjust by inferior human standards) is because merely because he is God. Well, it is saying that God's justice is superior, but it's not saying that human justice is of no value. It has value when humans are dealing with other humans. But it will fail if you try to apply it to God. Here's an analogy (don't you just love analogies? I do.) A third grader who has mastered the multiplication tables knows something of genuine value. But he is simply not qualified to grade a grad student's calculus paper. It's well above his level of comprehension. (You know I'm playing Devil's Advocate here.)
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 12, 2018 15:56:53 GMT
Do you believe that God is ALWAYS just....(that he always administers perfect justice)? I was stopped by a Jehovah's Witness who wanted to give me a pamphlet with "good news". So I asked her if she thought the Bible was "truth". When she answered in the affirmative, I asked her why she worshiped a God that killed millions of people with the great flood. Her response was, "He must have had a good reason". Either - she thought that Jehovah's actions were always just, or
- More likely ... This is one of the multitude of questions that JW's are asked and the witnesses quote the response that the elders have prompted the witness to say.
Lol on the Jw meet ups Anyway the reasons were given and they were just. Again we just may not agree with it. Humans always view things in context of our views. Most don’t think at all about all the death and destruction they inflict on each other in the name of their causes. God kills something and it’s outrage. I get it. I mean I can’t kill anything (except plants and fig trees lol) so it’s tough to think about which is not even remotely the same thing as killing evil people being a wrong thing. |
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Post by Cody™ on Sept 12, 2018 16:00:26 GMT
Do you believe that God is ALWAYS just....(that he always administers perfect justice)? I was stopped by a Jehovah's Witness who wanted to give me a pamphlet with "good news". So I asked her if she thought the Bible was "truth". When she answered in the affirmative, I asked her why she worshiped a God that killed millions of people with the great flood. Her response was, "He must have had a good reason". Either - she thought that Jehovah's actions were always just, or
- More likely ... This is one of the multitude of questions that JW's are asked and the witnesses quote the response that the elders have prompted the witness to say.
Why do you have a problem with God dishing out justice and punishing evil? Do you think people should be allowed to get away with wrong doing? |
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Post by Vegas on Sept 12, 2018 16:05:26 GMT
I get it. I mean I can’t kill anything (except plants and dog trees lol)
You're just not trying hard enough.  Wait...  .. YOU KILLED TREES??!!  That's the worst crime imaginable!!… You must have been angrily frothing at the mouth in a fit of rage at the time of those brutal murders of the innoce…. oh... This is probably what you are already joking about. Sorry, for being a hack.  |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 12, 2018 16:07:45 GMT
I get it. I mean I can’t kill anything (except plants and dog trees lol)
You're just not trying hard enough. Wait... .. YOU KILLED TREES??!! That's the worst crime imaginable!!… You must have been angrily frothing at the mouth in a fit of rage at the time of those brutal murders of the innoce…. oh... This is probably what you are already joking about. Sorry, for being a hack. Tree betta have my motherfreakin figs next time😡 |
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Post by Isapop on Sept 12, 2018 17:21:06 GMT
Why do you have a problem with God dishing out justice and punishing evil? Do you think people should be allowed to get away with wrong doing? Do you have a problem with God punishing blameless children? I refer to the Egyptian plagues in the Book of Exodus. How would you argue that God's decision that "Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn of the slave girl, who is at her hand mill" was a just way to deal with Pharaoh's attitude?
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Post by Cody™ on Sept 12, 2018 17:55:17 GMT
Why do you have a problem with God dishing out justice and punishing evil? Do you think people should be allowed to get away with wrong doing? Do you have a problem with God punishing blameless children? I refer to the Egyptian plagues in the Book of Exodus. How would you argue that God's decision that "Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn of the slave girl, who is at her hand mill" was a just way to deal with Pharaoh's attitude?
Answering my question with a question? |
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Post by Isapop on Sept 12, 2018 18:24:44 GMT
Do you have a problem with God punishing blameless children? I refer to the Egyptian plagues in the Book of Exodus. How would you argue that God's decision that "Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn of the slave girl, who is at her hand mill" was a just way to deal with Pharaoh's attitude?
Answering my question with a question? Oh, that was careless of me. My apologies. OK, your question was, "Do you think people should be allowed to get away with wrong doing?" My answer is, "No, people should not be allowed to get away with wrongdoing. They should be subject to justice that is commensurate with their wrongdoing."
My question is a perfectly fair one to any Christian who maintains that God is always just. Do you have an answer?
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Post by Eλευθερί on Sept 12, 2018 20:25:22 GMT
Why do you have a problem with God dishing out justice and punishing evil? Do you think people should be allowed to get away with wrong doing? Do you have a problem with God punishing blameless children? I refer to the Egyptian plagues in the Book of Exodus. How would you argue that God's decision that "Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn of the slave girl, who is at her hand mill" was a just way to deal with Pharaoh's attitude?
Or all the children, babies, and unborn fetuses that were killed during the Great Flood? |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Sept 12, 2018 20:32:56 GMT
That sounds like a very poor way of saying that human justice (the only known standard that we can use), is of no value, and God’s justice is superior (even when obviously unjust by inferior human standards) is because merely because he is God. Well, it is saying that God's justice is superior, but it's not saying that human justice is of no value. It has value when humans are dealing with other humans. But it will fail if you try to apply it to God. Here's an analogy (don't you just love analogies? I do.) A third grader who has mastered the multiplication tables knows something of genuine value. But he is simply not qualified to grade a grad student's calculus paper. It's well above his level of comprehension. (You know I'm playing Devil's Advocate here.)
Of course, the implication of this is that God may at some point decide it's time to wipe out all human life. Or may decide not to intervene if people are doing something that will lead to wiping out all human life. |
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Post by rizdek on Sept 12, 2018 21:04:40 GMT
Do you believe that God is ALWAYS just....(that he always administers perfect justice)? I once heard it argued (by a Christian at the time) that even if an action of God might appear unjust to us, our own human concept of justice is not qualified to judge God's actions, because Divine justice is simply far above and beyond our limited comprehension.Of course the logical conclusion of that is humans are unable to make a moral evaluation of God, which makes it irrational for anyone to call God just. |
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Post by rizdek on Sept 12, 2018 21:08:08 GMT
I was stopped by a Jehovah's Witness who wanted to give me a pamphlet with "good news". So I asked her if she thought the Bible was "truth". When she answered in the affirmative, I asked her why she worshiped a God that killed millions of people with the great flood. Her response was, "He must have had a good reason". Either - she thought that Jehovah's actions were always just, or
- More likely ... This is one of the multitude of questions that JW's are asked and the witnesses quote the response that the elders have prompted the witness to say.
Why do you have a problem with God dishing out justice and punishing evil? Do you think people should be allowed to get away with wrong doing? Most Christians believe they can get away with wrong doing. All they need to do is seek forgiveness and Jesus' sacrifice pays for their wrong doing. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 12, 2018 21:20:11 GMT
Why do you have a problem with God dishing out justice and punishing evil? Do you think people should be allowed to get away with wrong doing? Most Christians believe they can get away with wrong doing. All they need to do is seek forgiveness and Jesus' sacrifice pays for their wrong doing. To be clear everyone can get away with wrongdoing. The flood could have been cancelled if more than Noah repented and they couldn’t help but believe in God. |
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