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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 23, 2019 17:25:59 GMT
Indeed, it could be so argued. But responding that Jesus' sacrifice, the one that all other sacrifices are mere symbolic foreshadowings of, is a unique case, one that the proverb doesn't seek to reference is a reasonable counter argument. These separate objections are stronger than the Proverbs objection, and each would make (and probably have made) interesting thread topics.
I haven’t seen them before. And I haven’t seen any Christian respond to them here. Cool sort of just ignored them, and Cody and the others have been silent. What did I ignore? |
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Post by captainbryce on Jan 23, 2019 19:32:32 GMT
I haven’t seen them before. And I haven’t seen any Christian respond to them here. Cool sort of just ignored them, and Cody and the others have been silent. What did I ignore? |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 23, 2019 19:39:05 GMT
are you saying I said that or did you say it? If you said it I’m not sure what that has to do with me explaining Jesus sacrifice. It would really just mean I didn’t respond to you which is fairly common isn’t it. |
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jan 23, 2019 19:41:05 GMT
If you read the bible its pretty clear that God is an evil psychopath.
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Post by captainbryce on Jan 23, 2019 19:43:05 GMT
are you saying I said that or did you say it? If you said it I’m not sure what that has to do with me explaining Jesus sacrifice. It would really just mean I didn’t respond to you which is fairly common isn’t it. Dude, this is not that hard. It’s an argument that I have made which Christians ignore. What part about this are you not understanding?  |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 23, 2019 20:02:53 GMT
Most Christians believe they can get away with wrong doing. All they need to do is seek forgiveness and Jesus' sacrifice pays for their wrong doing. To be clear everyone can get away with wrongdoing. The flood could have been cancelled if more than Noah repented and they couldn’t help but believe in God. What did Noah have to repent? Is there even any mention of repentance anywhere in the Book of Genesis? Before the Flood the earth was crawling with half-human monsters called Nephilim, and they cannot repent because they did not have godly spirits. The only way to get rid of them was to kill them. And good riddance. A lot of you don't like hearing this but that's the way it happened. Unfortunately, some of them survived somehow and made a comeback after the Flood, and they are still around today. Yes, that's an uncomfortable notion for some of you too, but too bad. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 23, 2019 20:10:46 GMT
To be clear everyone can get away with wrongdoing. The flood could have been cancelled if more than Noah repented and they couldn’t help but believe in God. What did Noah have to repent? Is there even any mention of repentance anywhere in the Book of Genesis? Before the Flood the earth was crawling with half-human monsters called Nephilim, and they cannot repent because they did not have godly spirits. The only way to get rid of them was to kill them. And good riddance. A lot of you don't like hearing this but that's the way it happened. Unfortunately, some of them survived somehow and made a comeback after the Flood, and they are still around today. Yes, that's an uncomfortable notion for some of you too, but too bad. poor word choice. Let’s assume that Noah did everything just so since that’s what a verse says and the rest of humanity needed repentance. Otherwise the rest of humanity and their children would not have faced destruction. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 23, 2019 20:12:47 GMT
are you saying I said that or did you say it? If you said it I’m not sure what that has to do with me explaining Jesus sacrifice. It would really just mean I didn’t respond to you which is fairly common isn’t it. Dude, this is not that hard. It’s an argument that I have made which Christians ignore. What part about this are you not understanding? im not ignoring it because the argument is irrefutable. In all likelihood you are responding to an accurate point I’ve already made on the topic. Quite frankly this looked like one your run of the mill fake instruction lessons that isn’t backed by anything. How was I supposed to know it was more important than that? It’s hard to know without context. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 23, 2019 20:29:17 GMT
What did Noah have to repent? Is there even any mention of repentance anywhere in the Book of Genesis? Before the Flood the earth was crawling with half-human monsters called Nephilim, and they cannot repent because they did not have godly spirits. The only way to get rid of them was to kill them. And good riddance. A lot of you don't like hearing this but that's the way it happened. Unfortunately, some of them survived somehow and made a comeback after the Flood, and they are still around today. Yes, that's an uncomfortable notion for some of you too, but too bad. poor word choice. Let’s assume that Noah did everything just so since that’s what a verse says and the rest of humanity needed repentance. Otherwise the rest of humanity and their children would not have faced destruction. Okay. Can't disprove it. The earth was a very different place then, and the Bible says it's going to be like that again before this story is ended. I dearly hope people understand that they will not be able to take the mark of the Beast and then repent it later. Doesn't work that way. They won't be able to repent if they do that. You also got me thinking about Sodom and the other cities. Apparently it wasn't a matter of repentance for them either, only a matter of sparing the ones who were just, and none could be found. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 23, 2019 21:01:13 GMT
poor word choice. Let’s assume that Noah did everything just so since that’s what a verse says and the rest of humanity needed repentance. Otherwise the rest of humanity and their children would not have faced destruction. Okay. Can't disprove it. The earth was a very different place then, and the Bible says it's going to be like that again before this story is ended. I dearly hope people understand that they will not be able to take the mark of the Beast and then repent it later. Doesn't work that way. They won't be able to repent if they do that. You also got me thinking about Sodom and the other cities. Apparently it wasn't a matter of repentance for them either, only a matter of sparing the ones who were just, and none could be found. all of them are about repentance. God always provides a way out but there’s also always a time limit. Sodom ran out of time and only became more wicked. I think there’s a hang up on what repentance is in general. Repentance is only about turning from a wrong path. If one is righteous and imperfect they are repentant. Granted in the flood days that would be difficult considering how many non-humans were roaming around and demon babies were doomed from the get-go. But for humans there is no indication that Noah was working in secret, which means they had decades to change from their ways and chose not to. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 23, 2019 21:52:07 GMT
Okay. Can't disprove it. The earth was a very different place then, and the Bible says it's going to be like that again before this story is ended. I dearly hope people understand that they will not be able to take the mark of the Beast and then repent it later. Doesn't work that way. They won't be able to repent if they do that. You also got me thinking about Sodom and the other cities. Apparently it wasn't a matter of repentance for them either, only a matter of sparing the ones who were just, and none could be found. ... in the flood days that would be difficult considering how many non-humans were roaming around and demon babies were doomed from the get-go. But for humans there is no indication that Noah was working in secret, which means they had decades to change from their ways and chose not to. So you believe that the Noah story is literally true as reported in scripture? |
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Post by captainbryce on Jan 24, 2019 0:03:27 GMT
... in the flood days that would be difficult considering how many non-humans were roaming around and demon babies were doomed from the get-go. But for humans there is no indication that Noah was working in secret, which means they had decades to change from their ways and chose not to. So you believe that the Noah story is literally true as reported in scripture? Most Christians (in America) do. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 24, 2019 9:54:34 GMT
... in the flood days that would be difficult considering how many non-humans were roaming around and demon babies were doomed from the get-go. But for humans there is no indication that Noah was working in secret, which means they had decades to change from their ways and chose not to. So you believe that the Noah story is literally true as reported in scripture? I've never yet heard a convincing argument to make me believe it wasn't literal. |
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Post by Isapop on Jan 24, 2019 11:15:48 GMT
So you believe that the Noah story is literally true as reported in scripture? I've never yet heard a convincing argument to make me believe it wasn't literal. And here to second your argument, from the cinema classic Plan 9 From Outer Space, is the immortal Criswell: www.youtube.com/watch?v=51nceHeO0tE
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 24, 2019 12:16:31 GMT
... in the flood days that would be difficult considering how many non-humans were roaming around and demon babies were doomed from the get-go. But for humans there is no indication that Noah was working in secret, which means they had decades to change from their ways and chose not to. So you believe that the Noah story is literally true as reported in scripture? I rarely discuss my beliefs on the board. I'm simply relaying the story everyone has access to. It's better to discuss the Bible with atheists and theophobiacs as a work of fiction. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 14:49:03 GMT
As a Catholic (didn't say I was a good one), God is both merciful and just.
Pope Francis has said everyone goes to heaven, and hell doesn't exist.
That's not to give you a let off from trying to be a better person.... You know what's right and wrong.
Praise be to Jah.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 14:55:52 GMT
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 24, 2019 19:29:39 GMT
So you believe that the Noah story is literally true as reported in scripture? I rarely discuss my beliefs on the board. You mean not ever saying things like: I think you are being conveniently disingenuous. But whatever; your recent straight-faced reference to 'demon babies', as if such things ought to be considered seriously, really tells us the answer to the question. Yes, especially as the story of The Flood reads just like a typical, and common, myth found originating from a range of different cultures but in The Bible populated with new characters.. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 24, 2019 19:42:04 GMT
To be clear everyone can get away with wrongdoing. The flood could have been cancelled if more than Noah repented and they couldn’t help but believe in God. What did Noah have to repent? Is there even any mention of repentance anywhere in the Book of Genesis? Yes. God repented for something he had done in the past (Genesis 6:6-7). Which odd since one might expect the deity to always act in the best and most perfect way and have an idea (being outside of time and space etc) of how things might work out. What is uncomfortable is that you take such primitive and unevidenced nonsense literally and try and relate it to modern living. Do you feel that it is genetically possible to successfully restart a whole species, indeed every species (or 'kind', if you are are into baraminology too) from just one pair of individuals in each case? Can you point to a professional geneticist who would agree with this view? |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 24, 2019 23:51:33 GMT
FilmFlaneurWait are you saying opinion is belief? Otherwise, enlighten me on how that is a reflection of my religious views as opposed to my literary ones? I'm not being disingenuous at all. What you see is what you get. You already know that I consider myself Christian & I know my way around a Bible, So you mistakenly take those two things and combine into an expectation that I have given you no proof on. It is perfectly OK to assume my beliefs. Theophobiacs do it all the time and it's not like I have a reason to care about your views of me. However, it is retarded to call me dishonest based on that assumption. You have been instructed and unformed and simply choose to stubbornly adhere to your beliefs about me. I am flattered that you are more interested in my personal views and wish I could rise to the challenge of being interested in yours. That's all well and good except that it's not really talking about the flood is it? We can talk literary anthropology if you wish, but this is like comparing The Stand with Lord of the Rings - Potentially fascinating but in no way related to the plot of either. Finish that book report on Gilgamesh and get back to me...
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