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Post by Sarge on Apr 24, 2020 21:52:26 GMT
The finale was to set up the break between Jimmy and Kim. He sees that his antics are influencing her to be something she's not, and something he doesn't want her to be. Kim is the goody two-shoes, as seen in the episode with her mother, attracted to the bad boy Jimmy. She also likes the thrill of the con. She actually takes exception to Jimmy thinking she’s a vulnerable female. And she’s already over the line legally. Did you mean Howard? Howard was the one who offended her by suggesting Jimmy was influencing her negatively. Kim is a rare example of a strong female character that doesn't act like a man but Jimmy is right, she is vulnerable. He has a lifetime of experience being sketchy, knows the line and the consequences of crossing it, Kim doesn't. Everyone goes through a heathen period in their life, for many it's when they are young, for others it's how they live, but some wait until middle age to be rebellious and that's when it has the most consequences.
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Post by hi224 on Apr 25, 2020 0:20:02 GMT
She also likes the thrill of the con. She actually takes exception to Jimmy thinking she’s a vulnerable female. And she’s already over the line legally. Did you mean Howard? Howard was the one who offended her by suggesting Jimmy was influencing her negatively. Kim is a rare example of a strong female character that doesn't act like a man but Jimmy is right, she is vulnerable. He has a lifetime of experience being sketchy, knows the line and the consequences of crossing it, Kim doesn't. Everyone goes through a heathen period in their life, for many it's when they are young, for others it's how they live, but some wait until middle age to be rebellious and that's when it has the most consequences. Kevin, Howard, and Jimmy are all examples of men shes basically taken an exception of regarding not letting them at all influence her decision making. Kevin certainly got under her skin just as much as Howard and she clearly disregarded Jimmys words for a similar reason.
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Post by RobotTheLiving on Apr 26, 2020 0:00:58 GMT
The finale was to set up the break between Jimmy and Kim. He sees that his antics are influencing her to be something she's not, and something he doesn't want her to be. Kim is the goody two-shoes, as seen in the episode with her mother, attracted to the bad boy Jimmy. I dont think she is necesarily a goody two shoes I mean she too is a criminal... And I think Jimmy has genuinly good qualities, quite a few. She is just not as reckless as he is.. That's what makes Better Call Saul & Breaking Bad compelling shows. There are no clear-cut villains or heroes. Hank on Breaking Bad was probably the closest to being a good person while Todd was the epitome of a sociopath. The dynamic between Jimmy and Kim is one of the best things about Better Call Saul.
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 26, 2020 0:03:33 GMT
I've just slipped the blu ray into the player...
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Post by Nora on Apr 26, 2020 1:20:07 GMT
I dont think she is necesarily a goody two shoes I mean she too is a criminal... And I think Jimmy has genuinly good qualities, quite a few. She is just not as reckless as he is.. That's what makes Better Call Saul & Breaking Bad compelling shows. There are no clear-cut villains or heroes. Hank on Breaking Bad was probably the closest to being a good person while Todd was the epitome of a sociopath. The dynamic between Jimmy and Kim is one of the best things about Better Call Saul. Agreed completely. Its a masterclass of great writing (and acting).
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Post by Sarge on Apr 26, 2020 3:31:01 GMT
Did you mean Howard? Howard was the one who offended her by suggesting Jimmy was influencing her negatively. Kim is a rare example of a strong female character that doesn't act like a man but Jimmy is right, she is vulnerable. He has a lifetime of experience being sketchy, knows the line and the consequences of crossing it, Kim doesn't. Everyone goes through a heathen period in their life, for many it's when they are young, for others it's how they live, but some wait until middle age to be rebellious and that's when it has the most consequences. Kevin, Howard, and Jimmy are all examples of men shes basically taken an exception of regarding not letting them at all influence her decision making. Kevin certainly got under her skin just as much as Howard and she clearly disregarded Jimmys words for a similar reason. Good point although Jimmy has clearly influenced her and not for the better, she just doesn't want to admit it.
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 26, 2020 6:37:01 GMT
I tried "Better call Saul", but I gave up after 40 minutes. Half the time it was really unpleasant to watch (the cringe-worthy part like the entire court scene), the rest was bland and boring.
I was told his brother is a villain, but his reasoning (Hard work, start with DA cases and work yourself up and learn, not cashing out to preserve the company and the jobs of 120 employees - including his girlfriend(?)...all made sense to me). And if the writers/creators depict him as that woefully incompetent and lazy, how should one accept that he can be of any worth for Mike, Heisenberg or anyone else. He is an utterly incompetent douche.
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Post by Nora on Apr 26, 2020 14:10:26 GMT
I tried "Better call Saul", but I gave up after 40 minutes. Half the time it was really unpleasant to watch (the cringe-worthy part like the entire court scene), the rest was bland and boring. I was told his brother is a villain, but his reasoning (Hard work, start with DA cases and work yourself up and learn, not cashing out to preserve the company and the jobs of 120 employees - including his girlfriend(?)...all made sense to me). And if the writers/creators depict him as that woefully incompetent and lazy, how should one accept that he can be of any worth for Mike, Heisenberg or anyone else. He is an utterly incompetent douche. that was too early go give up and feel like you can have a good idea who Jimmy (or anyone on the show) is. There are no easy to understand or categorize villains in Giligans work I dont think. Even Hector Salamanca and Gus Fring have some very interesting and respect worthy qualities and complex motivations. And with someone like Chuck who is also mentally unwell, its even harder to say he is an outright villain. Maybe Jimmy is the villain of his own story. I would recommend you give it another chance, at least 2-3 episodes in. Its a very intriquate world that takes its time with the world building but the pay off is really great - having complex characters that feel like complicated imperfect but highly realistic and deeply human people, not one dimensional caricatures. And thats hard to find in tv nowadays I think.
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 26, 2020 14:52:51 GMT
I tried "Better call Saul", but I gave up after 40 minutes. Half the time it was really unpleasant to watch (the cringe-worthy part like the entire court scene), the rest was bland and boring. I was told his brother is a villain, but his reasoning (Hard work, start with DA cases and work yourself up and learn, not cashing out to preserve the company and the jobs of 120 employees - including his girlfriend(?)...all made sense to me). And if the writers/creators depict him as that woefully incompetent and lazy, how should one accept that he can be of any worth for Mike, Heisenberg or anyone else. He is an utterly incompetent douche. that was too early go give up and feel like you can have a good idea who Jimmy (or anyone on the show) is. There are no easy to understand or categorize villains in Giligans work I dont think. Even Hector Salamanca and Gus Fring have some very interesting and respect worthy qualities and complex motivations. And with someone like Chuck who is also mentally unwell, its even harder to say he is an outright villain. Maybe Jimmy is the villain of his own story. I would recommend you give it another chance, at least 2-3 episodes in. Its a very intriquate world that takes its time with the world building but the pay off is really great - having complex characters that feel like complicated imperfect but highly realistic and deeply human people, not one dimensional caricatures. And thats hard to find in tv nowadays I think. I'm just starting episode 4...it got better, ok, but I still do not get this "hype". I bought two seasons on blu ray. Hence I will give the show so much time. But I hate these flashbacks on old Jimmy...
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Post by Nora on Apr 26, 2020 14:56:59 GMT
that was too early go give up and feel like you can have a good idea who Jimmy (or anyone on the show) is. There are no easy to understand or categorize villains in Giligans work I dont think. Even Hector Salamanca and Gus Fring have some very interesting and respect worthy qualities and complex motivations. And with someone like Chuck who is also mentally unwell, its even harder to say he is an outright villain. Maybe Jimmy is the villain of his own story. I would recommend you give it another chance, at least 2-3 episodes in. Its a very intriquate world that takes its time with the world building but the pay off is really great - having complex characters that feel like complicated imperfect but highly realistic and deeply human people, not one dimensional caricatures. And thats hard to find in tv nowadays I think. I'm just starting episode 4...it got better, ok, but I still do not get this "hype". I bought two seasons on blu ray. Hence I will give the show so much time. But I hate these flashbacks on old Jimmy... good to hear you are continuing... I love the flashbacks but dont worry there wont be many at all...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 17:34:35 GMT
She also likes the thrill of the con. She actually takes exception to Jimmy thinking she’s a vulnerable female. And she’s already over the line legally. Did you mean Howard? Howard was the one who offended her by suggesting Jimmy was influencing her negatively. Kim is a rare example of a strong female character that doesn't act like a man but Jimmy is right, she is vulnerable. He has a lifetime of experience being sketchy, knows the line and the consequences of crossing it, Kim doesn't. Everyone goes through a heathen period in their life, for many it's when they are young, for others it's how they live, but some wait until middle age to be rebellious and that's when it has the most consequences. I agree with this point completely. In fact, I was just thinking last week about how she is one of the best female characters I've seen in tv or film in years. But I couldn't quite articulate why, aside from just being a really well written/well acted character. So many female characters in tv and film today are so horribly written (especially in modern blockbusters like Captain Marvel and Star Wars) I wonder, how would you describe what makes her such a great female character? And specifically, in regards to your statement above, what would you say allows her to retain "femininity" for lack of a better word, without becoming the cliched version of how men usually write what they imagine to be strong women.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 17:40:59 GMT
The finale was to set up the break between Jimmy and Kim. He sees that his antics are influencing her to be something she's not, and something he doesn't want her to be. Kim is the goody two-shoes, as seen in the episode with her mother, attracted to the bad boy Jimmy. I dont think she is necesarily a goody two shoes I mean she too is a criminal... And I think Jimmy has genuinly good qualities, quite a few. She is just not as reckless as he is.. I have been waiting for Jimmy to cross a line that she can't follow so this finale really surprised me. Perhaps that was kind of the point- to subvert expectations. But I admit that Kim's inner motivation/logic sometimes perplexes me. I feel like we understand Jimmy so well that every action he takes makes sense, at least in terms of why he did it and what he was thinking/feeling. There's so many questions in regards to Kim though. I'm wondering if that's intentional or if I just personally am not picking up on the clues.
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Post by Nora on Apr 26, 2020 19:14:58 GMT
I dont think she is necesarily a goody two shoes I mean she too is a criminal... And I think Jimmy has genuinly good qualities, quite a few. She is just not as reckless as he is.. I have been waiting for Jimmy to cross a line that she can't follow so this finale really surprised me. Perhaps that was kind of the point- to subvert expectations. But I admit that Kim's inner motivation/logic sometimes perplexes me. I feel like we understand Jimmy so well that every action he takes makes sense, at least in terms of why he did it and what he was thinking/feeling. There's so many questions in regards to Kim though. I'm wondering if that's intentional or if I just personally am not picking up on the clues. I agree but thats what makes it such a complex character to me, she is, in a way, more complicated than Jimmy. Jimmy is more of a natural crook but she has strong morals on one hand but is willing and able to throw them away Sometimes,’mostly for “love”. which may be a result of her upbringing of course, and I think we will find out more about why she is the way she is in season 6. I am more and more inclined to believe it will be Jimmy who will leave Her actually. (to protect her).
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Post by Sarge on Apr 26, 2020 21:08:33 GMT
Did you mean Howard? Howard was the one who offended her by suggesting Jimmy was influencing her negatively. Kim is a rare example of a strong female character that doesn't act like a man but Jimmy is right, she is vulnerable. He has a lifetime of experience being sketchy, knows the line and the consequences of crossing it, Kim doesn't. Everyone goes through a heathen period in their life, for many it's when they are young, for others it's how they live, but some wait until middle age to be rebellious and that's when it has the most consequences. I agree with this point completely. In fact, I was just thinking last week about how she is one of the best female characters I've seen in tv or film in years. But I couldn't quite articulate why, aside from just being a really well written/well acted character. So many female characters in tv and film today are so horribly written (especially in modern blockbusters like Captain Marvel and Star Wars) I wonder, how would you describe what makes her such a great female character? And specifically, in regards to your statement above, what would you say allows her to retain "femininity" for lack of a better word, without becoming the cliched version of how men usually write what they imagine to be strong women. An even stronger female character is Smurf in Animal Kingdom, played by Ellen Barkin, who runs a successful crime family for decades. Her character could only be played by a woman whereas many so called "strong" female characters are seemingly written for a man and then played by a woman. Kim is a strong character because she isn't an accessory to a main character, she has her own story, her own motivations, the character fights for what she wants without ever resorting to manlike mannerisms and personality traits.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 21:19:59 GMT
I have been waiting for Jimmy to cross a line that she can't follow so this finale really surprised me. Perhaps that was kind of the point- to subvert expectations. But I admit that Kim's inner motivation/logic sometimes perplexes me. I feel like we understand Jimmy so well that every action he takes makes sense, at least in terms of why he did it and what he was thinking/feeling. There's so many questions in regards to Kim though. I'm wondering if that's intentional or if I just personally am not picking up on the clues. I agree but thats what makes it such a complex character to me, she is, in a way, more complicated than Jimmy. Jimmy is more of a natural crook but she has strong morals on one hand but is willing and able to throw them away Sometimes,’mostly for “love”. which may be a result of her upbringing of course, and I think we will find out more about why she is the way she is in season 6. I am more and more inclined to believe it will be Jimmy who will leave Her actually. (to protect her). I'd love to see more of her backstory. It's interesting that the only thing they chose to give us is that scene with her mother showing up drunk. Perhaps Kim has done the right thing her entire life, even being the moral responsible one as a child, so now she is tempted to finally "break bad".
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Post by darkpast on Apr 10, 2022 4:22:06 GMT
casting spoiler , final season
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Apr 13, 2022 0:34:02 GMT
Anyone find it weird that AMC is marathoning Breaking Bad before the final season, and not...you know...Better Call Saul?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2022 18:45:03 GMT
Anyone find it weird that AMC is marathoning Breaking Bad before the final season, and not...you know...Better Call Saul? That is odd. Guess they’re getting everyone ready for those Walt/Jesse cameos.
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Apr 18, 2022 13:28:54 GMT
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Post by Nora on Apr 18, 2022 15:57:56 GMT
man i cannot wait. CANNOT WAIT. time is dragging its feat. like COME ON already
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