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Post by summers8 on Sept 16, 2018 6:17:36 GMT
The article is right in that MCU didn't decide they would take risks and make just make movies with lesser-known characters, as many delusional MCU fans have always claimed. MCU had no choice because they sold off all of their A-list characters. If MCU had the rights to Spider-Man and the X-Men and Fantastic Four, there would've never been any Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Avengers, or GotG movies. MCU would've been just Spider-Man, Hulk, X-Men, and Fantastic Four. But since MCU sold off all their A-list characters, they had no choice. So it wasn't MCU taking a risk and making movies with lesser-known characters by choice. It was MCU being forced to make movies with lesser-known characters out of desperation. It's funny you say this when DC has only made movies of, or even put good money into, is their 2 heavy hitters. That's not risky at all. They only started putting money into characters other than Batman and Superman when Marvel started making money with their non-"A-lsters". Again, are the X-men really A-list characters? Maybe the group X-men is A-list, but the only individual that can be considered A-list is Wolverine. Yeah, they made Jonah Hex and Catwoman, but did they really care? They tried to capitalize on Iron Man with Green Lantern. When that didn't work they went save and tried to use the popularity of the Nolan movies with Man of Steel.
And it's funny that you say they would not have made those movies forgetting that Blade came out before X-men. And they were trying to make Black Panther with Snipes before that. And if you wiped out the landscape of all the movies made since Blade, which properties do you think would be the "A-lists" wanted by studios to bail out Marvel? Here's a hint: it wouldn't be the X-men.
Always wondered why if mcu were so ALIST , their fans where so bothered and could not stand that spiderman and xmen were their own thing and tried to force them in the MCU. What kind of alist characters fans forces others to join them..hmm? reminds me of when kim Kardashian and her sisters were trying to get Beyoncé to be their friend.
xmen/spiderman =Beyoncé
mcu = the Kardashians
and I think the Kardashian are richer than beyonce ..too bad they cant buy art, respect and quality much like the MCU.
A-List characters are characters that have stood the test time, have their own identity, needs no cinematic universes and can find success anywhere and have been doing it for decades (comics, games, movies, catoon, impact)that is what you call A-List. to call MCU A-list is laughable...please what identity does mcu characters have outside of their mcu movies that no one takes seriously. what impact have they had outside of movies? even their impact in movies is laughable. seeing their movies are all terrible and hurt comics. and the best of the spiderman, xmen , batman movies are still considered better than mcu movies. so how can they be real a-list.
if you wiped out the slate of all comic movies since blade, which comic movies by a studio will want to bail out marvel, that depends on what the studio wants? since mcu characters are not actually marvel characters but disney walking toy characters. if you want marvel properties without having no disney strings attached to it and you want to tell quality grown up comic movies, give your director creative freedom and still make money. here is a better hint. it will not be the mcu, it will be spiderman and xmen. if you want the next hannah montana or high school musical or a new transformers, that will be the mcu for bail. so the bail will be about the content.
Also, would mcu characters have survived if they did not become disneyfied and not put in a connected universe that is basically a lottery easy format for anyone? and that will be nope. A-List series can stand on their own and have thier own separate universes. they can take beatings and come back better. spiderman has done it, xmen has done it, superman has done it, batman has done it. No MCU characters can do it. they cant leave disney land. separate all the mcu characters, put them in their own universe, remove all the billions disney spends in marketing and making them more like pixar than marvel from the comics, you will see them for the z list characters they always will be.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 16, 2018 6:18:44 GMT
You do know that there would not have been a Bryan Singer X-men movie in this scenario. In this scenario, the MCU X-men movie would be the 1st ever X-men movie. Fox would not have had the X-men movie rights. You are looking at it as if Fox made an X-men movie then Marvel Studios made one years later. Think about it as if X-men was the movie after Avengers instead of Iron Man 3. With mutants popping up in previous movies. These will be the 1st time we will have seen mutants in movies. The MCU X-men movie(s) would not fail. But then again Feige wouldn't have the crappy way the X-men movies were made to say "I'm not gonna make these movies like that." As a matter of fact, the X-men movies under Marvel Studios might do better because of the reliability of the MCU and how people saw Apocalypse. The 1st time people see the new X-men with established MCU characters in a trailer will blow their minds.
HM, once again artistic fact is out of the door. Bryan Singer despite his personal life made a better contribution to comic movies than mcu ever did. his movies gave the genre credibility, while mcu has destroyed it. you talk of crappy, keep that word, when mcu changes the concept of mutants and remove they are hated and feared just to make it appeal to kids and dumb it down. if xmen under marvel studios might do better then the reality will reflect it. but lets look at reality not in the 90s.
First Class took down thor 1 and cap 1 in 2011 DOFP took down winter solider and gotg in 2014...poor winter solider as usual. The wolverine was better than Iron Mandarian is a joke 3, and Thor 2 in 2013
Deadpool took down dr strange and civil war....went on to even get golden globes noms in 2016 and redefine what comics films can be....pure art house movies.
Logan basically maimed gotg 2, thor jokenock in 2017.
So the mcu doing better is a factually lie. the movies don't reflect it. talk of crappy, mcu movies are gag reel comedies. like in the spideman game board, you continue to fail big time. spiderman and xmen are at their best when there is no MCU forced on them. thatguy calling xmen crappy when the best mcu movies cant even beat out the 3rd xmen movie.lol. well, MCU is worse now....all their movies are cgi messes with idiotic jokes and xmen has nothing to do with that.
xmen can still have a Logan and possibly a new mutants that mcu fanatics wants to stop from getting released because they know a good psychological horror comic movie will signal the death of mcu comedies formula movies.lol..mutants popping up. you mcu fans are just so draft and shallow. your obsession with crossovers and set ups has become beyond laughable. And as for mcu xmen would not fail...ok mcu disney games have failed. mcu animation has failed.
mcu movies have failed. mcu spiderman homecoming has failed. mcu disney star wars has failed.
I think that pattern will contunue with mcu xmen. but the good thing is the genre will be dead by 2020. the genre is already dead now. Spiderman 2 and X2 sill holds up, they are classic in the genre. what is ant man 2 exactly?
Whatever makes you feel better diaper-rash. But for future references; "o·pin·ion
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Post by summers8 on Sept 16, 2018 6:48:21 GMT
The article is right in that MCU didn't decide they would take risks and make just make movies with lesser-known characters, as many delusional MCU fans have always claimed. MCU had no choice because they sold off all of their A-list characters. If MCU had the rights to Spider-Man and the X-Men and Fantastic Four, there would've never been any Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Avengers, or GotG movies. MCU would've been just Spider-Man, Hulk, X-Men, and Fantastic Four. But since MCU sold off all their A-list characters, they had no choice. So it wasn't MCU taking a risk and making movies with lesser-known characters by choice. It was MCU being forced to make movies with lesser-known characters out of desperation. You know what has ben so definite and earned of X-Men and Spiderman. that makes them the most iconic marvel series and the only real A-List series for marvel, they have been tested and have proven their longevity for decades. We cant say that about mcu characters, infact mcu characters are becoming a dying breed in less than 10 years since all their movies have gotten boring, people are on to the cinematic gimmick and their movies are even too childish for some kids, disney will now start milking xmen to give MCU new fake life. When disney bought marvel they tried to push spiderman and xmen aside and it did not work. Infact marvel comics collapsed. For a while, they tried to make iron man the face of marvel, their answer to Batman but spiderman always came back strong, his legacy endured, iron man could not have any impact anywhere else and his movies got worse which did not help it. In the end, Spidey WON. he is still the face of marvel. THEIR MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTER. iron man is busy begging to join his new game that is very anti mcu in content and more like his true peer. Batman lolDisney also did the same with xmen and they did worse to the point they once tried to make inhumans the new xmen , but as you see Inhumans could not even take down the D- list mutants on a show like Gifted.LOL. Infact Inhumans suffered for trying to be xmen. Also they stated stealing xmen characters and making them avengers, which failed, so people did not buy the twins retcon. they banned xmen from video games and even marvel posters, derailed their comics and stopped any merchandise with the word X and guess what.. xmen endured....not once did it hurt the series, instead it made people Laugh and always call out disney and it helped that xmen had movies like DOFP, Furst Class, LOGAN, Deadpool that were embarrassing all the mcu CHILDISH movies.
That is what you call true A-Listers. you can test their legacy,impact and longevity and they will remain unshaken. You cant do that with mcu characters meaning they cannot be a-listers. Batman is getting tested now, and he will come back STRONG. we know so as he has done before. see batman and robin and the TDK series. mcu characters are like those disney child stars. once the disney ride is over, they are over. to compare them to spiderman, xmen, superman, batman is laughable.we cant do that with mcu characters, meaning they are not a listers but disney by-products. When RDJ leaves....let's see who will give a shit about iron man. LOL.
You can make spin offs of xmen (xforce/new mutants) in movies with no disney MARVEL backing or even xmen titled and they will succeed, you can make spin off of Batman like Gotham with no actual batman and it will succeed. What can you do with iron man or gotg with no RDJ in a pixar movie in any medium even now in movies? MCU characters don't even have any mythology of their own.lol. A-Listers? LMAO. but as said, the Kardashian are A-Listers now,Kyle Jenner is billionaire. so I can call mcu a-listers on those terms too and it fits since the way the Kardashians embarrassed themselves is the same way mcu characters embarrasses comics.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 16, 2018 7:00:06 GMT
The article is right in that MCU didn't decide they would take risks and make just make movies with lesser-known characters, as many delusional MCU fans have always claimed. MCU had no choice because they sold off all of their A-list characters. If MCU had the rights to Spider-Man and the X-Men and Fantastic Four, there would've never been any Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Avengers, or GotG movies. MCU would've been just Spider-Man, Hulk, X-Men, and Fantastic Four. But since MCU sold off all their A-list characters, they had no choice. So it wasn't MCU taking a risk and making movies with lesser-known characters by choice. It was MCU being forced to make movies with lesser-known characters out of desperation. Actually yes, making a multi-million dollar feature length motion picture about lesser-known superhero characters in pop culture and hoping to make as much profit as any other movie featuring A-liste superhero characters is a risk. Before 2008 few knew or cared about Iron Man, and Robert Downey, Jr. while a respected actor was not considered a particularly big enough draw for such a picture. And it paid off, VERY well. Now, Iron Man( And various others) is an A-list superhero on the same level as Spider-Man, Batman, and Superman and Downey, Jr. is one of the few movie stars working today that can sell a movie by just his presence alone. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 16, 2018 7:02:34 GMT
The article is right in that MCU didn't decide they would take risks and make just make movies with lesser-known characters, as many delusional MCU fans have always claimed. MCU had no choice because they sold off all of their A-list characters. If MCU had the rights to Spider-Man and the X-Men and Fantastic Four, there would've never been any Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Avengers, or GotG movies. MCU would've been just Spider-Man, Hulk, X-Men, and Fantastic Four. But since MCU sold off all their A-list characters, they had no choice. So it wasn't MCU taking a risk and making movies with lesser-known characters by choice. It was MCU being forced to make movies with lesser-known characters out of desperation. You know what has ben so definite and earned of X-Men and Spiderman. that makes them the most iconic marvel series and the only real A-List series for marvel, they have been tested and have proven their longevity for decades. We cant say that about mcu characters, infact mcu characters are becoming a dying breed in less than 10 years since all their movies have gotten boring, people are on to the cinematic gimmick and their movies are even too childish for some kids, disney will now start milking xmen to give MCU new fake life. When disney bought marvel they tried to push spiderman and xmen aside and it did not work. Infact marvel comics collapsed. For a while, they tried to make iron man the face of marvel, their answer to Batman but spiderman always came back strong, his legacy endured, iron man could not have any impact anywhere else and his movies got worse which did not help it. In the end, Spidey WON. he is still the face of marvel. THEIR MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTER. iron man is busy begging to join his new game that is very anti mcu in content and more like his true peer. Batman lolDisney also did the same with xmen and they did worse to the point they once tried to make inhumans the new xmen , but as you see Inhumans could not even take down the D- list mutants on a show like Gifted.LOL. Infact Inhumans suffered for trying to be xmen. Also they stated stealing xmen characters and making them avengers, which failed, so people did not buy the twins retcon. they banned xmen from video games and even marvel posters, derailed their comics and stopped any merchandise with the word X and guess what.. xmen endured....not once did it hurt the series, instead it made people Laugh and always call out disney and it helped that xmen had movies like DOFP, Furst Class, LOGAN, Deadpool that were embarrassing all the mcu CHILDISH movies.
That is what you call true A-Listers. you can test their legacy,impact and longevity and they will remain unshaken. You cant do that with mcu characters meaning they cannot be a-listers. Batman is getting tested now, and he will come back STRONG. we know so as he has done before. see batman and robin and the TDK series. mcu characters are like those most disney child stars. one the disney ride is over, they are over. to compare them to spiderman, xmen, superman, batman is laughable.we cant do that with mcu characters, meaning they are not a listers but disney by-products. When RDJ leaves....let's see who will give a shit about iron man. LOL. MCU characters don't even have any mythology of their own.lol. A-Listers? LMAO.
The fact that you are using Spock in your avatar is all kinds of self-owning considering how illogical you are being. You are even randomly having text be in bold print. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 16, 2018 7:05:19 GMT
It's funny you say this when DC has only made movies of, or even put good money into, is their 2 heavy hitters. That's not risky at all. They only started putting money into characters other than Batman and Superman when Marvel started making money with their non-"A-lsters". Again, are the X-men really A-list characters? Maybe the group X-men is A-list, but the only individual that can be considered A-list is Wolverine. Yeah, they made Jonah Hex and Catwoman, but did they really care? They tried to capitalize on Iron Man with Green Lantern. When that didn't work they went save and tried to use the popularity of the Nolan movies with Man of Steel.
And it's funny that you say they would not have made those movies forgetting that Blade came out before X-men. And they were trying to make Black Panther with Snipes before that. And if you wiped out the landscape of all the movies made since Blade, which properties do you think would be the "A-lists" wanted by studios to bail out Marvel? Here's a hint: it wouldn't be the X-men.
Always wondered why if mcu were so ALIST , their fans where so bothered and could not stand that spiderman and xmen were their own thing and tried to force them in the MCU. What kind of alist characters fans forces others to join them..hmm? reminds me of when kim Kardashian and her sisters were trying to get Beyoncé to be their friend.
xmen/spiderman =Beyoncé
mcu = the Kardashians
and I think the Kardashian are richer than beyonce ..too bad they cant buy art, respect and quality much like the MCU.
A-List characters are characters that have stood the test time, have their own identity, needs no cinematic universes and can find success anywhere and have been doing it for decades (comics, games, movies, catoon, impact)that is what you call A-List. to call MCU A-list is laughable...please what identity does mcu characters have outside of their mcu movies that no one takes seriously. what impact have they had outside of movies? even their impact in movies is laughable. seeing their movies are all terrible and hurt comics. and the best of the spiderman, xmen , batman movies are still considered better than mcu movies. so how can they be real a-list.
if you wiped out the slate of all comic movies since blade, which comic movies by a studio will want to bail out marvel, that depends on what the studio wants? since mcu characters are not actually marvel characters but disney walking toy characters. if you want marvel properties without having no disney strings attached to it and you want to tell quality grown up comic movies, give your director creative freedom and still make money. here is a better hint. it will not be the mcu, it will be spiderman and xmen. if you want the next hannah montana or high school musical or a new transformers, that will be the mcu for bail. so the bail will be about the content.
Also, would mcu characters have survived if they did not become disneyfied and not put in a connected universe that is basically a lottery easy format for anyone? and that will be nope. A-List series can stand on their own and have thier own separate universes. they can take beatings and come back better. spiderman has done it, xmen has done it, superman has done it, batman has done it. No MCU characters can do it. they cant leave disney land. separate all the mcu characters, put them in their own universe, remove all the billions disney spends in marketing and making them more like pixar than marvel from the comics, you will see them for the z list characters they always will be.
When the X-Men finally get the MCU treatment will you be standing outside of theaters trying to "preach" to movie goers about the "vile, corrupt, and sinful" Marvel Studios and Disney? I can just totally see it happening, and failing. |
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Post by summers8 on Sept 16, 2018 7:12:55 GMT
You know what has ben so definite and earned of X-Men and Spiderman. that makes them the most iconic marvel series and the only real A-List series for marvel, they have been tested and have proven their longevity for decades. We cant say that about mcu characters, infact mcu characters are becoming a dying breed in less than 10 years since all their movies have gotten boring, people are on to the cinematic gimmick and their movies are even too childish for some kids, disney will now start milking xmen to give MCU new fake life. When disney bought marvel they tried to push spiderman and xmen aside and it did not work. Infact marvel comics collapsed. For a while, they tried to make iron man the face of marvel, their answer to Batman but spiderman always came back strong, his legacy endured, iron man could not have any impact anywhere else and his movies got worse which did not help it. In the end, Spidey WON. he is still the face of marvel. THEIR MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTER. iron man is busy begging to join his new game that is very anti mcu in content and more like his true peer. Batman lolDisney also did the same with xmen and they did worse to the point they once tried to make inhumans the new xmen , but as you see Inhumans could not even take down the D- list mutants on a show like Gifted.LOL. Infact Inhumans suffered for trying to be xmen. Also they stated stealing xmen characters and making them avengers, which failed, so people did not buy the twins retcon. they banned xmen from video games and even marvel posters, derailed their comics and stopped any merchandise with the word X and guess what.. xmen endured....not once did it hurt the series, instead it made people Laugh and always call out disney and it helped that xmen had movies like DOFP, First Class, LOGAN, Deadpool that were embarrassing all the mcu CHILDISH movies.
That is what you call true A-Listers. you can test their legacy,impact and longevity and they will remain unshaken. You cant do that with mcu characters meaning they cannot be a-listers. Batman is getting tested now, and he will come back STRONG. we know so as he has done before. see batman and robin and the TDK series. mcu characters are like those most disney child stars. one the disney ride is over, they are over. to compare them to spiderman, xmen, superman, batman is laughable.we cant do that with mcu characters, meaning they are not a listers but disney by-products. When RDJ leaves....let's see who will give a shit about iron man. LOL. MCU characters don't even have any mythology of their own.lol. A-Listers? LMAO.
The fact that you are using Spock in your avatar is all kinds of self-owning considering how illogical you are being. You are even randomly having text be in bold print. O HO, Looks like the nerve was hit again. everything I said there is fact. not to mention logical. it is logical that spiderman and xmen are the only two marvel series that never needed mcu disney. that is fact. that is why they are the only true a listers of marvel. they can survive and succeed in any format you put them and have been doing it for more than 50 years.
MCU is barely 10 years old and we are already sick of their formula movies.
hmm, looks like nothing I said was addressed, I take that as an agreement.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 16, 2018 7:25:58 GMT
The fact that you are using Spock in your avatar is all kinds of self-owning considering how illogical you are being. You are even randomly having text be in bold print. O HO, Looks like the nerve was hit again. everything I said there is fact. not to mention logical. it is logical that spiderman and xmen are the only two marvel series that never needed mcu disney. that is fact. that is why they are the only true a listers of marvel. they can survive and succeed in any format you put them and have been doing it for more than 50 years.
MCU is barely 10 years old and we are already sick of their formula movies.
hmm, looks like nothing I said was addressed, I take that as an agreement.
I didn't address your ridiculous wall of text because its the same crap you keep saying over and over again. People are so not getting sick of the MCU otherwise Black Panther and Infinity War would've bombed big time and earn zero praise from people who went to see them, the X-Men and Spider-Man were heavy hitters for the company for a long time but these days many more can fit the bill of being the "face" of the corporation in marketing. |
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Post by summers8 on Sept 16, 2018 7:47:40 GMT
O HO, Looks like the nerve was hit again. everything I said there is fact. not to mention logical. it is logical that spiderman and xmen are the only two marvel series that never needed mcu disney. that is fact. that is why they are the only true a listers of marvel. they can survive and succeed in any format you put them and have been doing it for more than 50 years.
MCU is barely 10 years old and we are already sick of their formula movies.
hmm, looks like nothing I said was addressed, I take that as an agreement.
I didn't address your ridiculous wall of text because its the same crap you keep saying over and over again. People are so not getting sick of the MCU otherwise Black Panther and Infinity War would've bombed big time and earn zero praise from people who went to see them, the X-Men and Spider-Man were heavy hitters for the company for a long time but these days many more can fit the bill of being the "face" of the corporation in marketing. As mcu movies are pixar toy commercials, they will always make money but as real movies like xmen 2000 or spiderman 2002 or blade? people are sick of it. the dumb masses that disney appeals to will always give them money but real people are always in for something new, fresh, daring, grown up and serious.
this is why a psychological horror movie like new mutants is important for the comic genre
this is why we need the Spielberg Blackhaawk movie.
we cannot depend on comedy cgi mcu disney movies.
As always said, it is not as if TDK, Spiderman 2 or Logan were flawless masterpieces for DC, Spiderman or X-Men, it is because mcu movies are so horrible and brainless they make tdk , spiderman 2 and logan look like flawless masterpieces. Also, do you remember when spiderman and xmen were the face of marvel, marvel was far more respected and liked by everyone, they barely got hate and their critical acclaim was never questioned? now mcu are the face, marvel is seen as the transformers of comics hate by mostly everyone but kids, the dumb masses and their fans. people flee the mcu brand for quality reasons.
Here is the deal. if you think mcu is so a list, then I dare you to reject and remove spiderman and xmen from going to disney. let them contunue separately.
Let fox make new mutants, xforce and multiple man and do ask disney to sell the game and cartoon rights of xmen to WB or even Sony, I mean what is the point of disney banning xmen games and cartoons when disney can sell the rights off and make money of it.
Let Venon be its thing and let the great Spike Lee makes his Spiderman spin off movie, Let Into The Spiderverse be. As said, true a listers can survive independently and stand alone. They dont need disney buying them flawless pr, brainless cinematic cross overs movies or paid Oscars recognitions. sorry.
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Post by sostie on Sept 16, 2018 13:41:15 GMT
The article is right in that MCU didn't decide they would take risks and make just make movies with lesser-known characters, as many delusional MCU fans have always claimed. MCU had no choice because they sold off all of their A-list characters. Marvel's first film was Blade...the first MCU film was Iron Man....DC took nearly 30 years to make a Wonder Woman film, a character it did own....who takes the biggest risks? MCU did have a choice...make the films or don't. |
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Post by summers8 on Sept 16, 2018 13:47:04 GMT
The article is right in that MCU didn't decide they would take risks and make just make movies with lesser-known characters, as many delusional MCU fans have always claimed. MCU had no choice because they sold off all of their A-list characters. Marvel's first film was Blade...the first MCU film was Iron Man....DC took nearly 30 years to make a Wonder Woman film, a character it did own....who takes the biggest risks? MCU did have a choice...make the films or don't. they made the worst choice of all to become slaves to disney.
so many delusional mcu fans....as said we were lucky we had this for xmen 1
where comic movies can have depth and be real movies.
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Post by sostie on Sept 16, 2018 13:54:56 GMT
Marvel's first film was Blade...the first MCU film was Iron Man....DC took nearly 30 years to make a Wonder Woman film, a character it did own....who takes the biggest risks? MCU did have a choice...make the films or don't. they made the worst choice of all to become slaves to disney.
so many delusional mcu fans....as said we were lucky we had this for xmen 1
where comic movies can have depth and be real movies.
And your response is relevant to my post how? |
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Post by summers8 on Sept 16, 2018 14:14:04 GMT
Hey, I just read this article fully and the article said something that me LMAO..Big time  the article said 20 movies and going strong. where? when? mcu has only one legitimate movie. what the heck is pant man 2? HAHAHA.....When we talk of the mcu media bias. we keep this shit real. ..see how the media protects mcu movies? Ouch. |
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Post by dazz on Sept 16, 2018 14:29:57 GMT
The article is right in that MCU didn't decide they would take risks and make just make movies with lesser-known characters, as many delusional MCU fans have always claimed. MCU had no choice because they sold off all of their A-list characters. Marvel's first film was Blade...the first MCU film was Iron Man....DC took nearly 30 years to make a Wonder Woman film, a character it did own....who takes the biggest risks? MCU did have a choice...make the films or don't. Actually it was Howard The Duck, or The Punisher forget which came first, but they were also made by other companies, similar to the Superman films.
Just because im a pedantic idiot at times.
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Post by sostie on Sept 16, 2018 14:41:30 GMT
Marvel's first film was Blade...the first MCU film was Iron Man....DC took nearly 30 years to make a Wonder Woman film, a character it did own....who takes the biggest risks? MCU did have a choice...make the films or don't. Actually it was Howard The Duck, or The Punisher forget which came first, but they were also made by other companies, similar to the Superman films.
Just because im a pedantic idiot at times.
Well if we are talking about films where neither Marvel or DC were involved...then it took DC nearly 40 years to make Wonder Woman |
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Post by dazz on Sept 16, 2018 14:46:46 GMT
Actually it was Howard The Duck, or The Punisher forget which came first, but they were also made by other companies, similar to the Superman films.
Just because im a pedantic idiot at times.
Well if we are talking about films where neither Marvel or DC were involved...then it took DC nearly 40 years to make Wonder Woman Although to be fair they did do a Wonder Woman animated film in the late 2000's I think it was, so it only took them 30 years to make some sort of WW film that's better right? |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 16, 2018 15:58:54 GMT
I didn't address your ridiculous wall of text because its the same crap you keep saying over and over again. People are so not getting sick of the MCU otherwise Black Panther and Infinity War would've bombed big time and earn zero praise from people who went to see them, the X-Men and Spider-Man were heavy hitters for the company for a long time but these days many more can fit the bill of being the "face" of the corporation in marketing. As mcu movies are pixar toy commercials, they will always make money but as real movies like xmen 2000 or spiderman 2002 or blade? people are sick of it. the dumb masses that disney appeals to will always give them money but real people are always in for something new, fresh, daring, grown up and serious.
this is why a psychological horror movie like new mutants is important for the comic genre
this is why we need the Spielberg Blackhaawk movie.
we cannot depend on comedy cgi mcu disney movies.
As always said, it is not as if TDK, Spiderman 2 or Logan were flawless masterpieces for DC, Spiderman or X-Men, it is because mcu movies are so horrible and brainless they make tdk , spiderman 2 and logan look like flawless masterpieces. Also, do you remember when spiderman and xmen were the face of marvel, marvel was far more respected and liked by everyone, they barely got hate and their critical acclaim was never questioned? now mcu are the face, marvel is seen as the transformers of comics hate by mostly everyone but kids, the dumb masses and their fans. people flee the mcu brand for quality reasons.
Here is the deal. if you think mcu is so a list, then I dare you to reject and remove spiderman and xmen from going to disney. let them contunue separately.
Let fox make new mutants, xforce and multiple man and do ask disney to sell the game and cartoon rights of xmen to WB or even Sony, I mean what is the point of disney banning xmen games and cartoons when disney can sell the rights off and make money of it.
Let Venon be its thing and let the great Spike Lee makes his Spiderman spin off movie, Let Into The Spiderverse be. As said, true a listers can survive independently and stand alone. They dont need disney buying them flawless pr, brainless cinematic cross overs movies or paid Oscars recognitions. sorry.
If the MCU is still killing it at the box office then people are not getting tired of the movies, its as simple as that. "Real movies"? Define what is and what isn't a "real movie". Last I checked a movie is( as Wikipedia sums it up nicely) "a film, also called a movie, motion picture, moving picture, theatrical film, or photoplay, is a series of still images that, when shown on a screen, create the illusion of moving images. So really anything, including a montage of still photographs played to music, is a "real" movie. Are you also trying to suggest that the Fox produced X-Mens, Sony produced Spider-Mans, and Warner produced Blades are some kind of artistic treasures of the highest order? Maybe in terms of McMovies there's an argument to be made with one or two but trying to suggest they're possibly on the level of a Herzog, Malick, Kubrick, or Kurosawa or even Scorsese is just plain moronic and shows how less "advanced" your preferences in entertainment are. "Real people"? Define what constitutes as "real people"? Last I checked entertainment preferences don't make a person any less "real" then another. What kind of world do you occupy? New Mutants isn't testing very well, that's why it was pushed back a whole year and undergone extensive reshoots. The idea of it being a psychological thriller isn't a bad one but testing has been nothing short of disastrous. Blackhawk isn't in active development, we haven't heard a peep since some months ago when it was announced. This is also Steven Spieberg we're talking about - he's *always* busy, and not every production he's been attached to has gotten made. No, Marvel wasn't respected when we only had Sony's Spider-Man 1 and 2 or the original Fox produced X-Mens, they were just a comics company that made the source material they had little to no way what was going on the real superstars were their distribution companies and filmmakers. Back then we also saw more bad Marvel adaptations than good, X-Men and Spider-Man and Blade were basically the only three worth giving a crap because of how dull Daredevil, Elektra, Hulk, Ghost Rider, and Punisher were. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 16, 2018 17:16:55 GMT
The article is right in that MCU didn't decide they would take risks and make just make movies with lesser-known characters, as many delusional MCU fans have always claimed. MCU had no choice because they sold off all of their A-list characters. Marvel's first film was Blade...the first MCU film was Iron Man....DC took nearly 30 years to make a Wonder Woman film, a character it did own....who takes the biggest risks? MCU took NO RISK at all with Iron Man because it was DESPERATION, not risk. It's like saying the Eagles took a big risk in the Super Bowl by playing their backup QB Nick Foles instead of their starting QB Carson Wentz. It wasn't a risk. Wentz was injured so the Eagles had no choice but to play Foles. If Wentz could've played, the Eagles would've played Wentz instead of Foles. So it wasn't they decided to take a risk, it was they had no choice. Same with MCU. If they had Spider-Man and X-Men, they would've made Spider-Man and X-Men movies, not Iron Man, Thor, Cap, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Avengers, or GotG movies. So it wasn't MCU decided to take a risk, it was MCU had no choice and the did it out of desperation. |
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Post by sostie on Sept 16, 2018 17:24:38 GMT
Marvel's first film was Blade...the first MCU film was Iron Man....DC took nearly 30 years to make a Wonder Woman film, a character it did own....who takes the biggest risks? MCU took NO RISK at all with Iron Man because it was DESPERATION, not risk. It's like saying the Eagles took a big risk in the Super Bowl by playing their backup QB Nick Foles instead of their starting QB Carson Wentz. It wasn't a risk. Wentz was injured so the Eagles had no choice but to play Foles. If Wentz could've played, the Eagles would've played Wentz instead of Foles. So it wasn't they decided to take a risk, it was they had no choice. Same with MCU. If they had Spider-Man and X-Men, they would've made Spider-Man and X-Men movies, not Iron Man, Thor, Cap, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Avengers, or GotG movies. So it wasn't MCU decided to take a risk, it was MCU had no choice and the did it out of desperation. Forget the sport analogies....every time you do it I shut off....not many people outside of your country gives a shit about NFL or whatever it is, and those names mean fuck all to me. You don't get it do you. They did have a choice...invest millions in a film, or not. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 16, 2018 17:27:06 GMT
Marvel's first film was Blade...the first MCU film was Iron Man....DC took nearly 30 years to make a Wonder Woman film, a character it did own....who takes the biggest risks? MCU took NO RISK at all with Iron Man because it was DESPERATION, not risk. It's like saying the Eagles took a big risk in the Super Bowl by playing their backup QB Nick Foles instead of their starting QB Carson Wentz. It wasn't a risk. Wentz was injured so the Eagles had no choice but to play Foles. If Wentz could've played, the Eagles would've played Wentz instead of Foles. So it wasn't they decided to take a risk, it was they had no choice. Same with MCU. If they had Spider-Man and X-Men, they would've made Spider-Man and X-Men movies, not Iron Man, Thor, Cap, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Avengers, or GotG movies. So it wasn't MCU decided to take a risk, it was MCU had no choice and the did it out of desperation. So basically you're saying that the MCU is the defending champions like the Eagles currently are. Good to know.  |
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